Core insanity

Congratulations, Gary.You are so close to goal. I think portion control
is very important to any plan.
Audrey

"Gary G" wrote in message
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I've done great on core...As you say different strokes...I find flex
more trouble for me...I don't wish to journal or track...I do though
follow portion control which is I guess a deviation of core...But it
works well for me...Just 5 lbs from goal...GG

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"doug lerner" wrote in message
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My weight had continued to just hover between 81 and 83.6 kg, and
last
week I noticed that Weight Watchers has a free one-week trial for
their online system, so I signed up to check it out. As people know,
I
am not actually on WW - I am on my own calorie-and-exercise based
diet
that is coincidentally very similar to WW Flex Points.

Anyway, for a "change of pace" I decided to try the Core plan since
Friday.

Disaster!

The first day I went up from 83.6 to 84.2 kg.

The next day I was up to 84.6 kg.

The next day 84.8 kg.

And this morning 85.6 kg!!! Agh!!!!!!!

This is crazy!

I have been following the Core rules very very strictly and have
barely dipped into my extra points.

The problem, though, is clear. I am taking advantage of the Core
rules
and eating stuff I normally would not eat - like mashed pumpkin for
in-
between snacks, multiple bananas each day, fat free sugar free
puddings for desserts at mealtime,etc.

I tracked the calories as well and saw that "without stuffing
myself"
- just eating until I was satisfied, I was averaging more than 2300
calories/day just on Core foods.

Obviously this plan is not for me. This morning I am back to strict
calorie journaling. I can't believe I am up over 85 kg again! Agh!


doug

Good for you for giving it a try ... sorry it didn't work.
I do flex, I don't think there is any way that I could follow core.
Really, it doesn't sound reasonable to me in any way.
But different strokes for different folks I guess.

On Mar 26, 10:36 pm, NANCI Lea wrote:
that's an interesting story, but I think perhaps Doug might have gotten
a might carried away, if commenting about "multiple bananas" is an
indication? As someone wrote in one of the blogs, "remember, calories
DO count, and if you eat TWO oranges, this is no longer "CORE."

Where in the Core plan does it say that two oranges are no longer
Core? That is certainly not clear in the online instructions at least.
All I saw was that you could have fruits and vegetables from the Core
list for in-between snacks and you should eat until you are satisfied
but not stuffed.

If you have an orange and then do some work and then a half hour later
feel like another orange that seems to fit the rules for Core just
fine, according to what I read.

In fact, Core doesn't distinguish between having a couple of hundred
calories of mashed pumpkin vs an 80 calorie orange as an in-between-
meal snack.

That is where the potential for abuse comes in.

Since calories do count I'm back where I track all calories again.

doug

"doug lerner" wrote in message
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On Mar 26, 10:36 pm, NANCI Lea wrote:
that's an interesting story, but I think perhaps Doug might have gotten
a might carried away, if commenting about "multiple bananas" is an
indication? As someone wrote in one of the blogs, "remember, calories
DO count, and if you eat TWO oranges, this is no longer "CORE."

Where in the Core plan does it say that two oranges are no longer
Core? That is certainly not clear in the online instructions at least.
All I saw was that you could have fruits and vegetables from the Core
list for in-between snacks and you should eat until you are satisfied
but not stuffed.

If you have an orange and then do some work and then a half hour later
feel like another orange that seems to fit the rules for Core just
fine, according to what I read.

In fact, Core doesn't distinguish between having a couple of hundred
calories of mashed pumpkin vs an 80 calorie orange as an in-between-
meal snack.

That is where the potential for abuse comes in.

Since calories do count I'm back where I track all calories again.

The key to core is the "eat until satisfied" as well as "eat only when
hungry". Physically hungry, not mentally hungry. That's the hard part for
me. I don't feel things in my stomach--including normal hunger. My body
gives off different hunger signals more like low blood sugar signals. Shakes
and grumpiness. Not tummy growling.

Also, having an orange and then a half an hour later having another one
"because you feel like it" is not following the core plan. Having another
one because you are still hungry would be okay.

and an orange vs orange juice is different as you need the fibre to help
push things through... as opposed to absorbing it all...

so, I was wondering, if a v8, would be good for core if you were to add XX
amount of fibre to it like metamucil, and how much you should add? if that
is an option... my meeting isn't until saturday so I'll ask here first...
*G*

I just love v8s for my veggie intake... but I think I have a juicer I could
use to make my own v8s... all fibre included as that is how this particular
juicer works... but I hate making juices... maybe my ex has it?... yes this
is me having conversations with myself again within an email... *G*...

btw, you all look fabulous today!!!!!

care

"Laura" wrote in message
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"doug lerner" wrote in message
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On Mar 26, 10:36 pm, NANCI Lea wrote:
that's an interesting story, but I think perhaps Doug might have gotten
a might carried away, if commenting about "multiple bananas" is an
indication? As someone wrote in one of the blogs, "remember, calories
DO count, and if you eat TWO oranges, this is no longer "CORE."

Where in the Core plan does it say that two oranges are no longer
Core? That is certainly not clear in the online instructions at least.
All I saw was that you could have fruits and vegetables from the Core
list for in-between snacks and you should eat until you are satisfied
but not stuffed.

If you have an orange and then do some work and then a half hour later
feel like another orange that seems to fit the rules for Core just
fine, according to what I read.

In fact, Core doesn't distinguish between having a couple of hundred
calories of mashed pumpkin vs an 80 calorie orange as an in-between-
meal snack.

That is where the potential for abuse comes in.

Since calories do count I'm back where I track all calories again.

The key to core is the "eat until satisfied" as well as "eat only when
hungry". Physically hungry, not mentally hungry. That's the hard part for
me. I don't feel things in my stomach--including normal hunger. My body
gives off different hunger signals more like low blood sugar signals.
Shakes
and grumpiness. Not tummy growling.

Also, having an orange and then a half an hour later having another one
"because you feel like it" is not following the core plan. Having another
one because you are still hungry would be okay.

I don't think any juice is core no matter what you do to it, sorry, Lee
Drachen wrote in message
...
and an orange vs orange juice is different as you need the fibre to help
push things through... as opposed to absorbing it all...

so, I was wondering, if a v8, would be good for core if you were to add XX
amount of fibre to it like metamucil, and how much you should add? if
that
is an option... my meeting isn't until saturday so I'll ask here first...
*G*

I just love v8s for my veggie intake... but I think I have a juicer I
could
use to make my own v8s... all fibre included as that is how this
particular
juicer works... but I hate making juices... maybe my ex has it?... yes
this
is me having conversations with myself again within an email... *G*...

btw, you all look fabulous today!!!!!

care

"Laura" wrote in message
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"doug lerner" wrote in message
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On Mar 26, 10:36 pm, NANCI Lea wrote:
that's an interesting story, but I think perhaps Doug might have
gotten
a might carried away, if commenting about "multiple bananas" is an
indication? As someone wrote in one of the blogs, "remember,
calories
DO count, and if you eat TWO oranges, this is no longer "CORE."

Where in the Core plan does it say that two oranges are no longer
Core? That is certainly not clear in the online instructions at least.
All I saw was that you could have fruits and vegetables from the Core
list for in-between snacks and you should eat until you are satisfied
but not stuffed.

If you have an orange and then do some work and then a half hour later
feel like another orange that seems to fit the rules for Core just
fine, according to what I read.

In fact, Core doesn't distinguish between having a couple of hundred
calories of mashed pumpkin vs an 80 calorie orange as an in-between-
meal snack.

That is where the potential for abuse comes in.

Since calories do count I'm back where I track all calories again.

The key to core is the "eat until satisfied" as well as "eat only when
hungry". Physically hungry, not mentally hungry. That's the hard part
for
me. I don't feel things in my stomach--including normal hunger. My body
gives off different hunger signals more like low blood sugar signals.
Shakes
and grumpiness. Not tummy growling.

Also, having an orange and then a half an hour later having another one
"because you feel like it" is not following the core plan. Having
another
one because you are still hungry would be okay.

If you can tolerate all the sodium...I love V8 and love it very spicy but
sadly the salt is too much for me...My whole grain cereals and other greens
give me plenty of fiber...GG
"Drachen" wrote in message
...
and an orange vs orange juice is different as you need the fibre to help
push things through... as opposed to absorbing it all...

so, I was wondering, if a v8, would be good for core if you were to add XX
amount of fibre to it like metamucil, and how much you should add? if
that
is an option... my meeting isn't until saturday so I'll ask here first...
*G*

I just love v8s for my veggie intake... but I think I have a juicer I
could
use to make my own v8s... all fibre included as that is how this
particular
juicer works... but I hate making juices... maybe my ex has it?... yes
this
is me having conversations with myself again within an email... *G*...

btw, you all look fabulous today!!!!!

care

"Laura" wrote in message
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"doug lerner" wrote in message
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On Mar 26, 10:36 pm, NANCI Lea wrote:
that's an interesting story, but I think perhaps Doug might have
gotten
a might carried away, if commenting about "multiple bananas" is an
indication? As someone wrote in one of the blogs, "remember, calories
DO count, and if you eat TWO oranges, this is no longer "CORE."

Where in the Core plan does it say that two oranges are no longer
Core? That is certainly not clear in the online instructions at least.
All I saw was that you could have fruits and vegetables from the Core
list for in-between snacks and you should eat until you are satisfied
but not stuffed.

If you have an orange and then do some work and then a half hour later
feel like another orange that seems to fit the rules for Core just
fine, according to what I read.

In fact, Core doesn't distinguish between having a couple of hundred
calories of mashed pumpkin vs an 80 calorie orange as an in-between-
meal snack.

That is where the potential for abuse comes in.

Since calories do count I'm back where I track all calories again.

The key to core is the "eat until satisfied" as well as "eat only when
hungry". Physically hungry, not mentally hungry. That's the hard part for
me. I don't feel things in my stomach--including normal hunger. My body
gives off different hunger signals more like low blood sugar signals.
Shakes
and grumpiness. Not tummy growling.

Also, having an orange and then a half an hour later having another one
"because you feel like it" is not following the core plan. Having another
one because you are still hungry would be okay.

Seems your perspective of core is different than mine...Yes the goal is to
eat until satisfied and that requires more than just how your head feels
about it...Eat fast enough and your brain never gets a chance to send the
full signal...And in fact it is often able to negate these feelings because
it "tastes so good" a few more spoons can hurt...I think of core as guide to
eating right but also not having to keep track...The limitations of the core
plan are satisfied with my loosely counted 35 flex points...My exercise also
allows me some leadway in eating...You have stated that the only way that
works for you is to never break from your plan...I want my eating to become
part of me and not feel to many "I should"...As has been pointed out a
calorie is still a calorie all most of us need to learn to limit our intake
and learn to live within "normal" limits...And of course exercise...GG

"doug lerner" wrote in message
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On Mar 26, 10:36 pm, NANCI Lea wrote:
that's an interesting story, but I think perhaps Doug might have gotten
a might carried away, if commenting about "multiple bananas" is an
indication? As someone wrote in one of the blogs, "remember, calories
DO count, and if you eat TWO oranges, this is no longer "CORE."

Where in the Core plan does it say that two oranges are no longer
Core? That is certainly not clear in the online instructions at least.
All I saw was that you could have fruits and vegetables from the Core
list for in-between snacks and you should eat until you are satisfied
but not stuffed.

If you have an orange and then do some work and then a half hour later
feel like another orange that seems to fit the rules for Core just
fine, according to what I read.

In fact, Core doesn't distinguish between having a couple of hundred
calories of mashed pumpkin vs an 80 calorie orange as an in-between-
meal snack.

That is where the potential for abuse comes in.

Since calories do count I'm back where I track all calories again.

doug

"Gary G" wrote in message
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If you can tolerate all the sodium...I love V8 and love it very spicy but
sadly the salt is too much for me...My whole grain cereals and other
greens give me plenty of fiber...GG
"Drachen" wrote in message

V8 comes in a low sodium version. Eight ounces has 50 calories with 140mg of
sodium. I follow the flex plan and watch my sodium too. One of my favorite
snacks is air-popped corn and a glass of low sodium V8 juice.


...
and an orange vs orange juice is different as you need the fibre to help
push things through... as opposed to absorbing it all...

so, I was wondering, if a v8, would be good for core if you were to add
XX
amount of fibre to it like metamucil, and how much you should add? if
that
is an option... my meeting isn't until saturday so I'll ask here first...
*G*

I just love v8s for my veggie intake... but I think I have a juicer I
could
use to make my own v8s... all fibre included as that is how this
particular
juicer works... but I hate making juices... maybe my ex has it?... yes
this
is me having conversations with myself again within an email... *G*...

btw, you all look fabulous today!!!!!

care

"Laura" wrote in message
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"doug lerner" wrote in message
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On Mar 26, 10:36 pm, NANCI Lea wrote:
that's an interesting story, but I think perhaps Doug might have
gotten
a might carried away, if commenting about "multiple bananas" is an
indication? As someone wrote in one of the blogs, "remember,
calories
DO count, and if you eat TWO oranges, this is no longer "CORE."

Where in the Core plan does it say that two oranges are no longer
Core? That is certainly not clear in the online instructions at least.
All I saw was that you could have fruits and vegetables from the Core
list for in-between snacks and you should eat until you are satisfied
but not stuffed.

If you have an orange and then do some work and then a half hour later
feel like another orange that seems to fit the rules for Core just
fine, according to what I read.

In fact, Core doesn't distinguish between having a couple of hundred
calories of mashed pumpkin vs an 80 calorie orange as an in-between-
meal snack.

That is where the potential for abuse comes in.

Since calories do count I'm back where I track all calories again.

The key to core is the "eat until satisfied" as well as "eat only when
hungry". Physically hungry, not mentally hungry. That's the hard part
for
me. I don't feel things in my stomach--including normal hunger. My body
gives off different hunger signals more like low blood sugar signals.
Shakes
and grumpiness. Not tummy growling.

Also, having an orange and then a half an hour later having another one
"because you feel like it" is not following the core plan. Having
another
one because you are still hungry would be okay.

"Drachen" wrote in message
...
and an orange vs orange juice is different as you need the fibre to help
push things through... as opposed to absorbing it all...

so, I was wondering, if a v8, would be good for core if you were to add XX
amount of fibre to it like metamucil, and how much you should add? if
that
is an option... my meeting isn't until saturday so I'll ask here first...
*G*

Added fibre never make things core or lower points.

I just love v8s for my veggie intake... but I think I have a juicer I
could
use to make my own v8s... all fibre included as that is how this
particular
juicer works... but I hate making juices... maybe my ex has it?... yes
this
is me having conversations with myself again within an email... *G*...

Juice isn't core.. period.

Will~

btw, you all look fabulous today!!!!!

care

"Laura" wrote in message
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"doug lerner" wrote in message
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On Mar 26, 10:36 pm, NANCI Lea wrote:
that's an interesting story, but I think perhaps Doug might have
gotten
a might carried away, if commenting about "multiple bananas" is an
indication? As someone wrote in one of the blogs, "remember, calories
DO count, and if you eat TWO oranges, this is no longer "CORE."

Where in the Core plan does it say that two oranges are no longer
Core? That is certainly not clear in the online instructions at least.
All I saw was that you could have fruits and vegetables from the Core
list for in-between snacks and you should eat until you are satisfied
but not stuffed.

If you have an orange and then do some work and then a half hour later
feel like another orange that seems to fit the rules for Core just
fine, according to what I read.

In fact, Core doesn't distinguish between having a couple of hundred
calories of mashed pumpkin vs an 80 calorie orange as an in-between-
meal snack.

That is where the potential for abuse comes in.

Since calories do count I'm back where I track all calories again.

The key to core is the "eat until satisfied" as well as "eat only when
hungry". Physically hungry, not mentally hungry. That's the hard part for
me. I don't feel things in my stomach--including normal hunger. My body
gives off different hunger signals more like low blood sugar signals.
Shakes
and grumpiness. Not tummy growling.

Also, having an orange and then a half an hour later having another one
"because you feel like it" is not following the core plan. Having another
one because you are still hungry would be okay.

Well, my weight is slowly coming back down again after the "Core
Disaster".

I'm at 84.2 kg this morning.

I really, really would love to lose another 10 kg and then stay put!

doug