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Old September 12th, 2004, 03:56 PM
Roger Zoul
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Ignoramus5536 wrote:
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|| Speaking of hypo... My MIL had a serious hypo attack at BG of 70
|| (sic).
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|| To me, this is a quite normal level these days. I would experience
|| perhaps very slight shakiness, but would feel quite well otherwise.


If you do some reading on hypo, you'll discover that hypo is not merely a
low BG reading...they symptoms can be brought on by the rate that BG levels
fall, so the BG doesn't even need to be that low for one to experience hypo.


  #12  
Old September 12th, 2004, 04:12 PM
Lictor
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"Ignoramus5536" wrote in message
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in620811.shtml

``Overall, the prevalence of metabolic syndrome was 38.7 percent in
moderately obese subjects and 49.7 percent in severely obese
subjects.''


Thanks for the link. Though it's a study on young obesity, which is a whole
matter in itself. And then, it's an egg and chicken problem. Is the
metabolic syndrom the source of the obesity, or it is a consequence? Or is
it just a cycle that feeds on itself once it is started.

Yes, it is great that you could at least stop your diabetes, I think
that you are still pretty young.


I'm 32. I'm still waiting a bit before calling it "stopped", my nutritionist
is a lot more optimistic than I am actually. After the ophtalmologist,
I'm still thinking about checking with a podologist (though my feet have
never been as smooth and healthy looking as they are now - even hairs are
growing ) and a cardiologist. Though I will wait on the later until I get
a bit more control of my white coat syndrom, using the cardiometer as a way
to monitor my relaxation technics seem to work so far (I can drop my heart
rate from 80 to sligthtly bellow 60 with a little focus, very nice effect on
stress when doing job interviews and the like).

I regret that I did not do better blood sugar testing prior to
starting to lose weight, but my suspicion is that my blood sugar
control was not great, despite decent morning numbers.


Exactly. I wonder how many people were diabetic as obese, and just dropped
off the detection threshold from plain weight loss...

That makes sense. Diabetes, it appears, is in fact several diseases
that may have different etiologies. Yours may be different than what
happens to older people.


Yes, some people in alt.support.diabete report that weight loss did not do
much for them. But others point that it did an amazing job at improving
their control. The later also seem to tolerate carbs better. There is
probably a link between where loss of control happens the most, fasting or
post prandial. So, there are at least two different patterns. I guess it
depends on how much it's insulin resistance related (and how much of it is
weight related vs purely genetic) or insulin deficiency related.
The annoying part is that so many doctors and researchers seem clueless
about part of the diabetic population. Most of the studies seem to be made
on people with insanely high A1c, who are old, and who were detected at a
later stage of the disease (many with complications already).

Speaking of hypo... My MIL had a serious hypo attack at BG of 70 (sic).

To me, this is a quite normal level these days. I would experience
perhaps very slight shakiness, but would feel quite well otherwise.


I'm still high normal myself. Hopefully, my FBG will start going down as
I keep losing weight (I'm still halfway after all). Or maybe some people
just tend to have a higher homeostatic glucose setting, either genetically
or as an adaptation (it seems some professional racing cyclists are into the
high normal range for instance, probably as an adaptation to the sport - or
high drug usage).

Are you eating absolutely all kinds of food? Or did you give up some
foods completely?


Well, there is still some food I don't like, so obviously I don't eat it.
Other than that, I have not dared eating candies again yet, though I do eat
chocolate and some sweet specialties (like marzipan). I also have given up
on trans fats as much as possible, but this doesn't really ban whole kinds
of food, just some brands (i.e., I eat whole butter cakes rather than
hydrogenated oils cakes). Cutting trans fats seems to have helped my LDL
results a lot, so it's a small price to pay. Besides, butter cakes taste
better.
Next month, I will be following a training course that is hosted in a high
school. So, back to high school after 14 years away from it. This means
getting school meals for lunch. That's certainly going to be a very
enlightening experience. I have noticed they have hamburger+French fries
once a week (though the alternative was ratatouille and chicken with
tarragon), something that was unthinkable when I was a student. I'm really
looking forward to seeing how the young eats at school...


  #13  
Old September 12th, 2004, 04:12 PM
Lictor
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"Ignoramus5536" wrote in message
...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in620811.shtml

``Overall, the prevalence of metabolic syndrome was 38.7 percent in
moderately obese subjects and 49.7 percent in severely obese
subjects.''


Thanks for the link. Though it's a study on young obesity, which is a whole
matter in itself. And then, it's an egg and chicken problem. Is the
metabolic syndrom the source of the obesity, or it is a consequence? Or is
it just a cycle that feeds on itself once it is started.

Yes, it is great that you could at least stop your diabetes, I think
that you are still pretty young.


I'm 32. I'm still waiting a bit before calling it "stopped", my nutritionist
is a lot more optimistic than I am actually. After the ophtalmologist,
I'm still thinking about checking with a podologist (though my feet have
never been as smooth and healthy looking as they are now - even hairs are
growing ) and a cardiologist. Though I will wait on the later until I get
a bit more control of my white coat syndrom, using the cardiometer as a way
to monitor my relaxation technics seem to work so far (I can drop my heart
rate from 80 to sligthtly bellow 60 with a little focus, very nice effect on
stress when doing job interviews and the like).

I regret that I did not do better blood sugar testing prior to
starting to lose weight, but my suspicion is that my blood sugar
control was not great, despite decent morning numbers.


Exactly. I wonder how many people were diabetic as obese, and just dropped
off the detection threshold from plain weight loss...

That makes sense. Diabetes, it appears, is in fact several diseases
that may have different etiologies. Yours may be different than what
happens to older people.


Yes, some people in alt.support.diabete report that weight loss did not do
much for them. But others point that it did an amazing job at improving
their control. The later also seem to tolerate carbs better. There is
probably a link between where loss of control happens the most, fasting or
post prandial. So, there are at least two different patterns. I guess it
depends on how much it's insulin resistance related (and how much of it is
weight related vs purely genetic) or insulin deficiency related.
The annoying part is that so many doctors and researchers seem clueless
about part of the diabetic population. Most of the studies seem to be made
on people with insanely high A1c, who are old, and who were detected at a
later stage of the disease (many with complications already).

Speaking of hypo... My MIL had a serious hypo attack at BG of 70 (sic).

To me, this is a quite normal level these days. I would experience
perhaps very slight shakiness, but would feel quite well otherwise.


I'm still high normal myself. Hopefully, my FBG will start going down as
I keep losing weight (I'm still halfway after all). Or maybe some people
just tend to have a higher homeostatic glucose setting, either genetically
or as an adaptation (it seems some professional racing cyclists are into the
high normal range for instance, probably as an adaptation to the sport - or
high drug usage).

Are you eating absolutely all kinds of food? Or did you give up some
foods completely?


Well, there is still some food I don't like, so obviously I don't eat it.
Other than that, I have not dared eating candies again yet, though I do eat
chocolate and some sweet specialties (like marzipan). I also have given up
on trans fats as much as possible, but this doesn't really ban whole kinds
of food, just some brands (i.e., I eat whole butter cakes rather than
hydrogenated oils cakes). Cutting trans fats seems to have helped my LDL
results a lot, so it's a small price to pay. Besides, butter cakes taste
better.
Next month, I will be following a training course that is hosted in a high
school. So, back to high school after 14 years away from it. This means
getting school meals for lunch. That's certainly going to be a very
enlightening experience. I have noticed they have hamburger+French fries
once a week (though the alternative was ratatouille and chicken with
tarragon), something that was unthinkable when I was a student. I'm really
looking forward to seeing how the young eats at school...


  #14  
Old September 12th, 2004, 04:16 PM
Lictor
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"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
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If you do some reading on hypo, you'll discover that hypo is not merely a
low BG reading...they symptoms can be brought on by the rate that BG

levels
fall, so the BG doesn't even need to be that low for one to experience

hypo.

That was typical when taking Prandin. At some point, I would experience
crash hypos, though I'm certain my levels where not trully hypoglycemic. I
read some diabetic report that they have felt some hypo symptoms when
dropping from hyperglycemic range to still hyperglycemic or high normal (for
instance, dropping from 200 to 110 very quickly).
I don't know if transitionnal hypos are felt with the full range of symptoms
(both somatic and neuro) or only a subset (only somatic would make sense)...


  #15  
Old September 12th, 2004, 06:11 PM
Roger Zoul
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Lictor wrote:
|| "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
|| ...
||| If you do some reading on hypo, you'll discover that hypo is not
||| merely a low BG reading...they symptoms can be brought on by the
||| rate that BG levels fall, so the BG doesn't even need to be that
||| low for one to experience hypo.
||
|| That was typical when taking Prandin. At some point, I would
|| experience crash hypos, though I'm certain my levels where not
|| trully hypoglycemic. I read some diabetic report that they have felt
|| some hypo symptoms when dropping from hyperglycemic range to still
|| hyperglycemic or high normal (for instance, dropping from 200 to 110
|| very quickly).

Right, exactly.

|| I don't know if transitionnal hypos are felt with the full range of
|| symptoms (both somatic and neuro) or only a subset (only somatic
|| would make sense)...

A lot about hypo is poorly understood. All I know if that if I go ride 60+
miles on LC, I'll have such a bad hypo that I can barely function.


 




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