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Old October 18th, 2011, 06:35 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Linda Braxton
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Default A Lowering of the Food Budget

I am not a long time poster here but this appears to be an appropriate
blog for my situation.

Like many others my total income has became drastically reduced due to
economic conditions. As a result I have, by necessity became very
penny conscious, clipping coupons, seldom eating out and skipping the
more expensive items at the market. For the present, at least, one
can truthfully say that I am one of those living below the government
poverty line.

I have often read reports that the reason for the high percentage of
poor folks being obese is because their poverty prevents them from
buying and consuming the right foods.

I am not presently overweight, let alone obese. However does what I
have read often apply to me. That is, because I will be spending
less on groceries I am destined to become obese?

In the past I have not completely bought into this idea. It just
didn't seem logical to me. In fact, I had serious doubts but now that
I am now cash-challenged I am concerned.

I would like to hear the opinions of others. It that oft repeated
theory is actually true then I can expect to begin gaining weight.

Thanks in advance for your inputs.

Linda B



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Old October 18th, 2011, 07:20 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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In article ,
Linda Braxton wrote:

I am not a long time poster here but this appears to be an appropriate
blog for my situation.

Like many others my total income has became drastically reduced due to
economic conditions. As a result I have, by necessity became very
penny conscious, clipping coupons, seldom eating out and skipping the
more expensive items at the market. For the present, at least, one
can truthfully say that I am one of those living below the government
poverty line.

I have often read reports that the reason for the high percentage of
poor folks being obese is because their poverty prevents them from
buying and consuming the right foods.

I am not presently overweight, let alone obese. However does what I
have read often apply to me. That is, because I will be spending
less on groceries I am destined to become obese?

In the past I have not completely bought into this idea. It just
didn't seem logical to me. In fact, I had serious doubts but now that
I am now cash-challenged I am concerned.

I would like to hear the opinions of others. It that oft repeated
theory is actually true then I can expect to begin gaining weight.

Thanks in advance for your inputs.

Linda B


First, thank you for keeping the news group alive
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/magazine/22wwlnlede.t.html

Please ask any questions that come to mind.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it's not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That's hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don't get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis
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Old October 18th, 2011, 01:48 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Oct 18, 1:35*am, Linda Braxton wrote:
I am not a long time poster here but this appears to be an appropriate
blog for my situation.

Like many others my total income has became drastically reduced due to
economic conditions. As a result I have, by necessity became very
penny conscious, clipping coupons, seldom eating out and skipping the
more expensive items at the market. *For the present, at least, one
can truthfully *say that I am one of those living below the government
poverty line.

I have often read reports that the reason for the high percentage of
poor folks being obese is because their poverty prevents them from
buying and consuming the right foods.

I am not presently overweight, let alone obese. *However does what I
have read often apply to me. *That is, *because I will be spending
less on groceries I am destined to become obese?

In the past I have not completely bought into this idea. *It just
didn't seem logical to me. *In fact, I had serious doubts but now that
I am now cash-challenged I am concerned.

I would like to hear the opinions of others. *It that oft repeated
theory is actually true then I can expect to begin gaining weight.

Thanks in advance for your inputs.

Linda B



I'd say the whole subject is a complex one. It's probably true
that in general you can get the most calories at the lowest
prices by buying crap food, like packaged mac n cheese.
But I can also buy a quart of cream at Costco for $3. How
many calories are there in that? And how much less food
does one consume if you're limiting the amount by being
on LC compared to wolfing down 2X the quantities of
junk food? Also, in the last couple years with the diversion
of farming to biofuels, the price on those grain based
carb foods, eg chips, corn flakes, etc has gone up a lot.
How about if you gain 20 lbs and have to then buy new
clothes? Then repeat in another 6 months.
Anyone factor that in?

I think it's true that those with lower incomes, living in
poverty, etc are eating more junk food. But I doubt it's
as simple as the reason being it costs less and that
as soon as your income goes down, you'll be there.
It's also a factor of personal responsibility,
of being ignorant and not knowing or not caring about
what they eat, etc.

For LC, there are certainly food choices
that are reasoable. Around here chicken is on sale
for 40% off every couple weeks. And for vegs, while
I usually buy fresh, to save money you could use
frozen, or even canned. The canned is yucky, but
it depends on your motivation. If you want to do LC
it's a choice instead of that $3 bag of chips.
Costco has eggs and cream at a fraction of the
grocery store prices. If you make your own big
pot of LC soup, per serving, it will probably be the
same price as buying a can of soup. But it takes
the motivation to do that and it's more work.
It's much easier to
reach for that quick and easy mac n cheese,
hence the problem.

Bottom line, I think it's certainly more difficult to
stay on LC on a tight budget, but it's probably
managable.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 01:50 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Oct 18, 2:20*am, Billy wrote:
In article ,
*Linda Braxton wrote:





I am not a long time poster here but this appears to be an appropriate
blog for my situation.


Like many others my total income has became drastically reduced due to
economic conditions. As a result I have, by necessity became very
penny conscious, clipping coupons, seldom eating out and skipping the
more expensive items at the market. *For the present, at least, one
can truthfully *say that I am one of those living below the government
poverty line.


I have often read reports that the reason for the high percentage of
poor folks being obese is because their poverty prevents them from
buying and consuming the right foods.


I am not presently overweight, let alone obese. *However does what I
have read often apply to me. *That is, *because I will be spending
less on groceries I am destined to become obese?


In the past I have not completely bought into this idea. *It just
didn't seem logical to me. *In fact, I had serious doubts but now that
I am now cash-challenged I am concerned.


I would like to hear the opinions of others. *It that oft repeated
theory is actually true then I can expect to begin gaining weight.


Thanks in advance for your inputs.


Linda B


First, thank you for keeping the news group alive
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/magazine/22wwlnlede.t.html

Please ask any questions that come to mind.
--
- Billy


Here's one. Why do you continue to make off topic political
posts, which are usually lies, part of every post? And then
bitch about others that respond to them?


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Old October 18th, 2011, 02:54 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Walter Bushell
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In article
,
Billy wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/magazine/22wwlnlede.t.html


Note the date of the article, but the farm bill is coming up soon so
this article is timely.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/bu...ubsidy-ends-an
other-may-rise-to-replace-it.html?hp

--
It is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant
and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting. -- H. L. Mencken
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Old October 18th, 2011, 04:39 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Billy[_4_]
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Default A Lowering of the Food Budget

In article ,
Walter Bushell wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/magazine/22wwlnlede.t.html


Note the date of the article, but the farm bill is coming up soon so
this article is timely.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/bu...ubsidy-ends-an
other-may-rise-to-replace-it.html?hp


Good article :O)

I have little time at present, so I only gave the article a cursory
read, but it lays out some of the farm problems with 80% of family farms
receiving no subsidies. Subsidies are given to grain growers which
encourages carbohydrate consumption, profits Cargill and Archer Daniels
Midland, and undercuts foreign farmers who can't compete with grain sold
below production costs, which overall reduces the world's food supply.
Subsidies are also given to CAFOs. If CAFOs production costs weren't
subsidized (externalized), there would be fewer CAFOs and public health
would benefit from their decline.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis
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Old October 19th, 2011, 05:23 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Billy[_4_]
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Default A Lowering of the Food Budget

In article
,
" wrote:

On Oct 18, 2:20*am, Billy wrote:
In article ,
*Linda Braxton wrote:





I am not a long time poster here but this appears to be an appropriate
blog for my situation.


Like many others my total income has became drastically reduced due to
economic conditions. As a result I have, by necessity became very
penny conscious, clipping coupons, seldom eating out and skipping the
more expensive items at the market. *For the present, at least, one
can truthfully *say that I am one of those living below the government
poverty line.


I have often read reports that the reason for the high percentage of
poor folks being obese is because their poverty prevents them from
buying and consuming the right foods.


I am not presently overweight, let alone obese. *However does what I
have read often apply to me. *That is, *because I will be spending
less on groceries I am destined to become obese?


In the past I have not completely bought into this idea. *It just
didn't seem logical to me. *In fact, I had serious doubts but now that
I am now cash-challenged I am concerned.


I would like to hear the opinions of others. *It that oft repeated
theory is actually true then I can expect to begin gaining weight.


Thanks in advance for your inputs.


Linda B


First, thank you for keeping the news group alive
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/magazine/22wwlnlede.t.html

Please ask any questions that come to mind.
--
- Billy


Here's one. Why do you continue to make off topic political
posts, which are usually lies, part of every post? And then
bitch about others that respond to them?


My sig is the same in all news groups. My posts reflect on the threads
of the posts. My "sig" only questions why our government doesn't cut
expenditures in those areas that have been identified as pork, and why
cut social welfare and leave corporate welfare, which is already 50%
larger, untouched? For this, you and your running dogs call me a
communist. I'm sure there must be help available to you, if you wanted
it. Happy now? ;O)
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis
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Old October 19th, 2011, 03:21 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Oct 19, 12:23*am, Billy wrote:
In article
,





" wrote:
On Oct 18, 2:20*am, Billy wrote:
In article ,
*Linda Braxton wrote:


I am not a long time poster here but this appears to be an appropriate
blog for my situation.


Like many others my total income has became drastically reduced due to
economic conditions. As a result I have, by necessity became very
penny conscious, clipping coupons, seldom eating out and skipping the
more expensive items at the market. *For the present, at least, one
can truthfully *say that I am one of those living below the government
poverty line.


I have often read reports that the reason for the high percentage of
poor folks being obese is because their poverty prevents them from
buying and consuming the right foods.


I am not presently overweight, let alone obese. *However does what I
have read often apply to me. *That is, *because I will be spending
less on groceries I am destined to become obese?


In the past I have not completely bought into this idea. *It just
didn't seem logical to me. *In fact, I had serious doubts but now that
I am now cash-challenged I am concerned.


I would like to hear the opinions of others. *It that oft repeated
theory is actually true then I can expect to begin gaining weight.


Thanks in advance for your inputs.


Linda B


First, thank you for keeping the news group alive
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/magazine/22wwlnlede.t.html


Please ask any questions that come to mind.
--
- Billy


Here's one. *Why do you continue to make off topic political
posts, which are usually lies, part of every post? *And then
bitch about others that respond to them?


My sig is the same in all news groups.


And I'm sure it's as equally unwelcome there too.


My posts reflect on the threads
of the posts. My "sig" only questions why our government doesn't cut
expenditures in those areas that have been identified as pork, and why
cut social welfare and leave corporate welfare, which is already 50%
larger, untouched?


Take a look at spending on social programs in 2007 vs 2011:

Social Security 2007 $620bil 2011 $780bil
+26%
Health and Human Services 2007 $670bil 2011 $890bl +33%

That's right, despite all your whining and bogus claims,
spending on social programs has not been cut and in reality
it has increased dramatically in just 4 years.
Has your families income gone up 33% in four years?


For this, you and your running dogs call me a
communist. I'm sure there must be help available to you, if you wanted
it. Happy now? ;O)


I'm not sure if you're a communist, but you're clearly
either not informed of the facts or a liar.



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Old November 15th, 2011, 12:30 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Oct 17, 9:35*pm, Linda Braxton wrote:
I am not a long time poster here but this appears to be an appropriate
blog for my situation.

Like many others my total income has became drastically reduced due to
economic conditions. As a result I have, by necessity became very
penny conscious, clipping coupons, seldom eating out and skipping the
more expensive items at the market. *For the present, at least, one
can truthfully *say that I am one of those living below the government
poverty line.

I have often read reports that the reason for the high percentage of
poor folks being obese is because their poverty prevents them from
buying and consuming the right foods.

I am not presently overweight, let alone obese. *However does what I
have read often apply to me. *That is, *because I will be spending
less on groceries I am destined to become obese?

In the past I have not completely bought into this idea. *It just
didn't seem logical to me. *In fact, I had serious doubts but now that
I am now cash-challenged I am concerned.

I would like to hear the opinions of others. *It that oft repeated
theory is actually true then I can expect to begin gaining weight.

Thanks in advance for your inputs.

Linda B


Shopping list.
Whole chicken save the bones for broth.
Large bag of Winco pinto beans. Carb yes but still doable in
pretty low diets.
Costco for Olive oil, lettuce, cream, cheeses.
Frozen fish for Walmart not the fresh water ones but there are
some lower cost ones that are wild caught.
A Mexican grocery store will offer more meat parts at the low end.
Granted this may take some adjustment.
Sometime quite competitive and you get see what the
nation will look like in another generation ;-)
Canned sardine the BIG cans from Mexico can be
a pretty cheap easy food. Find a brand you like.
the Mexican grocery store will offer assorted brands.
Dried peppers are useful and lasting.
Eggs the 60 packs.

Avoid corn and soy oil.
Canola and Peanut are a bit better but not great.
Coconut has some merits but is costly and adds too
many calories to foods.

Preformed beef burgers can be farily cost effective plus
you can cook the eggs after the burgers in the fat.

I'd suggest peanuts as not a low carb food but slow carb food
; however the price is in the process of doubling. Sunflower
seed are cheaper though think the fats in tree nuts
and coconuts are healthier.

Parsley and cilantro for soups.
Green beans frozen.
Spinach frozen
Ghetto Sized jars of hot peppers can be valuable to
spice up the diet.
Salt
Gallon size jugs of 5.5% vinegar for use to preserve eggs
and use on salads. It is possible to flavor distilled vinegar
such that it can stand in more costly vinegars.

Plant a nut tree if the climate permits, times are going to
be hard for decades and opposing party will only make it worse.
Filbert and walnuts towards the north and almonds in warmer
climates.

Nutritional yeast can be a good buy at times. Some tastes decent.
Dolomite can stand in
for dairy calcium and nut magnesium and has no carbs or I-131.

Whole grain rice has the down side of being high carb and
tends to go rancid. It can be bought in large bags.

Oats are more stable though they are very high carb. OK for
nondiabetes needing a check eat but not for diabetics.
The problem with mush one tends to want it with
milk or cream and perhaps sugar.

Cracked wheat is pretty stable though not as good as Oats.
If you parboil it and then heat further with burger grease it can
be filling. Clearly not a low carb food.

Turn the heat down to 60 degree F and bundle up.

Plan a garden in a sunny spot. Make it easy stuff like
tomatoes, green beans, squash summer and winter,
maybe peppers. Skip the carrot and corn. Some
greens and broccoli can be good choices.
 




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