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Visceral Fat And Insulin Resistance Not Obesity Increases Risk of Diabetes
On Sep 26, 11:24*am, Doug Freyburger wrote:
wrote: I think the "Wheat Belly" message is just to sell books to make a profit. I'm more generous about it. *Removing wheat tends to push most people lower in carbs and to me that's enough for a lot of people who are in the overweight range who've never been obese. *For anyone who's ever been obese or fatter it's a forst step in the right direction. And I've agreed with you on that point in the past. I've seen people on TV talking about being on the "wheat belly" diet and losing weight. But if you look at what they are eating, it's actually low carb or reduced carb. They are not just eliminating wheat. They are eliminating wheat and OTHER REFINED CARBS and replacing it with lower carb alternatives. I agree that if it works for them, that's a good thing. Low carb got a bad reputation when it was hit with a fad and flooded with extremists. *Milder approaches are appropriate. But I think it's also important for people to understand what is really going on. If you villify wheat, as opposed to refined carbs in general, then how many people out there will think it's ok to replace wheat crackers with corn chips, replace a wheat tortilla with a corn tortilla, eat potato chips because they don't contain wheat, etc? Low carb also gets hit by vegan extremists. *Rather than returning their hysterical fire with hysterical fire there's sense in counting them by pointing out their preferred foods are damaging. I really don't pay any attention them, nor do I think most people do. The fact that you can't provide a link to studies that show that wheat is uniquely bad as a refined carb as compared to other similar carbs, eg corn, rice, etc. tends to support that. I say that if people substitute corn, rice, potato chips, etc for wheat, they will likely have similar weight problems, blood sugar problems, visceral fat etc. Right. *Potato belly anyone? *Those are nightshades after all. *Both corn and rice have been subject to similar genetic manipulation as wheat. Thank you. That is precisely my point. I say similar refined carbs are just about as bad as wheat, unless you happen to be one of the minority of people who have problems with gluten. * *If you have studies that say otherwise, I'm sure we'd all like to see them. Being one of the mildly wheat intolerant ones I regularly see people who have some type of intolerance to some type of grain where I can see and point out their symptoms but they deny them. *There are a lot more who have such problems than know it. *But I am dubious that it's as widely prevalent as Wheat Belly claims. *Studies comparing wheat against other high carb sources like rice, corn and potatoes would be instructive. But consider the studies that compare HFCS against sucrose. *Even though they show that the amount of sugar consumed dominates they also show that calorie for calorie HFCS is worse than sucrose. There sure isn't agreement on that. Some studies looking at some aspects of HFCS have come to that conclusion. Other studies have not and it's one of those things that is still being debated. The two effects have different orders of magnitude. *I would not be surprised to learn that going low carb has a 10X benefit while switching from wheat to potatoes on a low fat plan has a 1X benefit. That could very well be. That's kind of where I'm at. Which is why I'm not keen on the whole "wheat belly" term, because IMO, it's not specific to wheat and misleading. *Wheat is not a beneficial source of starch nor is any other cereal grain but what to compare it against and why? *I don't want one of those studies that compares frosted flakes with oatmeal to conclude that whole grains are beneficial. I just had a short rib sandwich for lunch. I made it with Pepperidge Farms CarbStyle 7 grain bread. It has wheat in it and the two slices contain a whopping 10g of net carb. Not being a diabetic, I didn't take a blood sample and measure my BG response either. You think I'm going to hell for that? |
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Visceral Fat And Insulin Resistance Not Obesity Increases Risk of Diabetes
On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:24:18 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
wrote: Right. Potato belly anyone? Those are nightshades after all. Both corn and rice have been subject to similar genetic manipulation as wheat. That's simply untrue. We're not talking GM here. Wheat is NOT "genetically-modified": http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ally-modified/ But I am dubious that it's as widely prevalent as Wheat Belly claims. Skepticism is a healthy attribute. Fortunately, those claims are pretty easy to test on yourself (the person you should care about most). Or you can wait for "studies." Wheat is not a beneficial source of starch It's not a beneficial source of anything. Except maybe HUGE profits for the food companies, drug companies, and organizations like the ADA. -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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Visceral Fat And Insulin Resistance Not Obesity Increases Risk of Diabetes
On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:37:48 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: You think I'm going to hell for that? That's between you and God, but I think you're eventually going to be spending an awful lot of time in the offices of various doctors. A lot of people think that that's hell enough. -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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