Atkins diet and type 2 diabetes

My father came down with type 2 when he was 66 years old in 1986.
My wife was diagnosed in 1999. I went on the Atkins diet with her in the
same year. I did so in hope that I might dodge the type 2 bullet.

A few days ago a realized that my hopes about this were unrealistic. I
measured my BG and it was 126 in the morning before eating. I then ate a
meal that comprised a total of 12 grams of carbohydrates. After 20
minutes my BG rose to 157.

I have no symptoms at this point, but it is clear that I have developed
the disease at the same age that my father did. 9 years of low carb diet
did not serve as a prophilactic.

I have now stopped the maintenance diet and reverted to the induction
diet. This diet reversed the damage done by uncontrolled type 2 in my
wife. It also made her BG reading normal.

So now I am stuck with the induction diet. I realize this is a great
improvement over the normal treatment which always results in a downhill
spiral. I don't want to eventually be shooting insulin. I'll take the
induction diet permanently before I want to start using a needle.

Disappointed in Michigan.

How many carbs a day were you eating iun maintenance?

Michael wrote:
| My father came down with type 2 when he was 66 years old in 1986.
| My wife was diagnosed in 1999. I went on the Atkins diet with her in
| the same year. I did so in hope that I might dodge the type 2 bullet.
|
| A few days ago a realized that my hopes about this were unrealistic. I
| measured my BG and it was 126 in the morning before eating. I then
| ate a meal that comprised a total of 12 grams of carbohydrates. After
| 20 minutes my BG rose to 157.
|
| I have no symptoms at this point, but it is clear that I have
| developed the disease at the same age that my father did. 9 years of
| low carb diet did not serve as a prophilactic.
|
| I have now stopped the maintenance diet and reverted to the induction
| diet. This diet reversed the damage done by uncontrolled type 2 in my
| wife. It also made her BG reading normal.
|
| So now I am stuck with the induction diet. I realize this is a great
| improvement over the normal treatment which always results in a
| downhill spiral. I don't want to eventually be shooting insulin. I'll
| take the induction diet permanently before I want to start using a
| needle.
|
| Disappointed in Michigan.

On Jan 10, 2:22 pm, "FOB" wrote:
How many carbs a day were you eating iun maintenance?

Michael wrote:

| My father came down with type 2 when he was 66 years old in 1986.
| My wife was diagnosed in 1999. I went on the Atkins diet with her in
| the same year. I did so in hope that I might dodge the type 2 bullet.
|
| A few days ago a realized that my hopes about this were unrealistic. I
| measured my BG and it was 126 in the morning before eating. I then
| ate a meal that comprised a total of 12 grams of carbohydrates. After
| 20 minutes my BG rose to 157.
|
| I have no symptoms at this point, but it is clear that I have
| developed the disease at the same age that my father did. 9 years of
| low carb diet did not serve as a prophilactic.
|
| I have now stopped the maintenance diet and reverted to the induction
| diet. This diet reversed the damage done by uncontrolled type 2 in my
| wife. It also made her BG reading normal.
|
| So now I am stuck with the induction diet. I realize this is a great
| improvement over the normal treatment which always results in a
| downhill spiral. I don't want to eventually be shooting insulin. I'll
| take the induction diet permanently before I want to start using a
| needle.
|
| Disappointed in Michigan.

Start a sensible program. Check out www.sabbaticaldiet.com

Low carb works only for 6 months.

"Common Sense" wrote in message
...
On Jan 10, 2:22 pm, "FOB" wrote:
How many carbs a day were you eating iun maintenance?

Michael wrote:

| My father came down with type 2 when he was 66 years old in 1986.
| My wife was diagnosed in 1999. I went on the Atkins diet with her in
| the same year. I did so in hope that I might dodge the type 2 bullet.
|
| A few days ago a realized that my hopes about this were unrealistic. I
| measured my BG and it was 126 in the morning before eating. I then
| ate a meal that comprised a total of 12 grams of carbohydrates. After
| 20 minutes my BG rose to 157.
|
| I have no symptoms at this point, but it is clear that I have
| developed the disease at the same age that my father did. 9 years of
| low carb diet did not serve as a prophilactic.
|
| I have now stopped the maintenance diet and reverted to the induction
| diet. This diet reversed the damage done by uncontrolled type 2 in my
| wife. It also made her BG reading normal.
|
| So now I am stuck with the induction diet. I realize this is a great
| improvement over the normal treatment which always results in a
| downhill spiral. I don't want to eventually be shooting insulin. I'll
| take the induction diet permanently before I want to start using a
| needle.
|
| Disappointed in Michigan.

Start a sensible program. Check out www.sabbaticaldiet.com

Low carb works only for 6 months.

Bull!

Cheri

FOB,

I was averaging about 100 grams of carbohydrates per day. Maybe If I had
stayed on the induction diet for 9 years I would not now have type 2. My
bad.

I have been on meat and water since the discovery of my high numbers. My
BG readings are already improving. I realize it will take at least a
couple of months of this to straighten myself out.

What my wife found is that after 3 months of meat and water, she could
pass a BG tolerance test. Meaning, that her BG would only rise to 130
with this test instead of nearly 300 when first diagnosed. I interpret
this change as a definite physiological improvement. Her health improved
dramatically. She had been showing just about every symptom that be
attributed to type 2. She even had shortness of breath and chest pain
with the slightest exertion. All that went away and now as I type this
she is outside shoveling the snow from our driveway.

There are always trolls here (possibly peta crazies) who try to tell us
completely irrational things about the Atkins diet. Of course they have
zero experience with this diet but claim to be experts.

I have been on Atkins for close to 10 years I think now. If I can only
be on it for 6 months, I must be dead now. My wife must be doubly dead
because she has limited her carb intake to below 50 grams per day.

I put these crazies in the category of religious nuts, because their own
ideas about eating have become their religion and they are hell bent to
evangelize.

These people need to create their own newsgroup where they can proclaim
their religion to the world.




FOB wrote:
How many carbs a day were you eating iun maintenance?

Michael wrote:
| My father came down with type 2 when he was 66 years old in 1986.
| My wife was diagnosed in 1999. I went on the Atkins diet with her in
| the same year. I did so in hope that I might dodge the type 2 bullet.
|
| A few days ago a realized that my hopes about this were unrealistic. I
| measured my BG and it was 126 in the morning before eating. I then
| ate a meal that comprised a total of 12 grams of carbohydrates. After
| 20 minutes my BG rose to 157.
|
| I have no symptoms at this point, but it is clear that I have
| developed the disease at the same age that my father did. 9 years of
| low carb diet did not serve as a prophilactic.
|
| I have now stopped the maintenance diet and reverted to the induction
| diet. This diet reversed the damage done by uncontrolled type 2 in my
| wife. It also made her BG reading normal.
|
| So now I am stuck with the induction diet. I realize this is a great
| improvement over the normal treatment which always results in a
| downhill spiral. I don't want to eventually be shooting insulin. I'll
| take the induction diet permanently before I want to start using a
| needle.
|
| Disappointed in Michigan.

On Jan 11, 1:59 pm, Michael wrote:
FOB,

I was averaging about 100 grams of carbohydrates per day. Maybe If I had
stayed on the induction diet for 9 years I would not now have type 2. My
bad.

I have been on meat and water since the discovery of my high numbers. My
BG readings are already improving. I realize it will take at least a
couple of months of this to straighten myself out.

What my wife found is that after 3 months of meat and water, she could
pass a BG tolerance test. Meaning, that her BG would only rise to 130
with this test instead of nearly 300 when first diagnosed. I interpret
this change as a definite physiological improvement. Her health improved
dramatically. She had been showing just about every symptom that be
attributed to type 2. She even had shortness of breath and chest pain
with the slightest exertion. All that went away and now as I type this
she is outside shoveling the snow from our driveway.

There are always trolls here (possibly peta crazies) who try to tell us
completely irrational things about the Atkins diet. Of course they have
zero experience with this diet but claim to be experts.

I have been on Atkins for close to 10 years I think now. If I can only
be on it for 6 months, I must be dead now. My wife must be doubly dead
because she has limited her carb intake to below 50 grams per day.

I put these crazies in the category of religious nuts, because their own
ideas about eating have become their religion and they are hell bent to
evangelize.

These people need to create their own newsgroup where they can proclaim
their religion to the world.

FOB wrote:
How many carbs a day were you eating iun maintenance?

Michael wrote:
| My father came down with type 2 when he was 66 years old in 1986.
| My wife was diagnosed in 1999. I went on the Atkins diet with her in
| the same year. I did so in hope that I might dodge the type 2 bullet.
|
| A few days ago a realized that my hopes about this were unrealistic. I
| measured my BG and it was 126 in the morning before eating. I then
| ate a meal that comprised a total of 12 grams of carbohydrates. After
| 20 minutes my BG rose to 157.
|
| I have no symptoms at this point, but it is clear that I have
| developed the disease at the same age that my father did. 9 years of
| low carb diet did not serve as a prophilactic.
|
| I have now stopped the maintenance diet and reverted to the induction
| diet. This diet reversed the damage done by uncontrolled type 2 in my
| wife. It also made her BG reading normal.
|
| So now I am stuck with the induction diet. I realize this is a great
| improvement over the normal treatment which always results in a
| downhill spiral. I don't want to eventually be shooting insulin. I'll
| take the induction diet permanently before I want to start using a
| needle.
|
| Disappointed in Michigan.

Man, your life sound stressful. You need to do this and do that and
check this and +++++ Well, my friend Diabetes was cured following this
religious nut diet. And he was was not doing this and that and +++++
Low carb is only a temporary relief. Be honest, I bet you are aging
very fast. That how low carb people look to me.OLD

It seems to me there is probably an optimum place somewhere between 100
grams and 20, lots of type 2s control their diabetes with LC eating. Part
of it is in the timing, your test was done with carbs in the morning which
is when they affect you the most. I'd suggest you hop over to
alt.support.diabetes. The people there who eat to their meter will help you
out. There are a lot of low carb veggies and some fruits that have stuff
that meat doesn't that are good for you. I am pre diabetic and pretty much
follow a good diabetic diet. I test for new foods to see how much they
affect me then I know whether they are a good part of my diet or not. Susan
posts there and she has a lot of knowledge.

Michael wrote:
| FOB,
|
| I was averaging about 100 grams of carbohydrates per day. Maybe If I
| had stayed on the induction diet for 9 years I would not now have
| type 2. My bad.
|
| I have been on meat and water since the discovery of my high numbers.
| My BG readings are already improving. I realize it will take at least
| a couple of months of this to straighten myself out.
|
| What my wife found is that after 3 months of meat and water, she could
| pass a BG tolerance test. Meaning, that her BG would only rise to 130
| with this test instead of nearly 300 when first diagnosed. I interpret
| this change as a definite physiological improvement. Her health
| improved dramatically. She had been showing just about every symptom
| that be attributed to type 2. She even had shortness of breath and
| chest pain with the slightest exertion. All that went away and now as
| I type this she is outside shoveling the snow from our driveway.
|
| There are always trolls here (possibly peta crazies) who try to tell
| us completely irrational things about the Atkins diet. Of course they
| have zero experience with this diet but claim to be experts.
|
| I have been on Atkins for close to 10 years I think now. If I can only
| be on it for 6 months, I must be dead now. My wife must be doubly dead
| because she has limited her carb intake to below 50 grams per day.
|
| I put these crazies in the category of religious nuts, because their
| own ideas about eating have become their religion and they are hell
| bent to evangelize.
|
| These people need to create their own newsgroup where they can
| proclaim their religion to the world.
|
|
|

And you look like a troll to me.

Common Sense wrote:
|
| Man, your life sound stressful. You need to do this and do that and
| check this and +++++ Well, my friend Diabetes was cured following this
| religious nut diet. And he was was not doing this and that and +++++
| Low carb is only a temporary relief. Be honest, I bet you are aging
| very fast. That how low carb people look to me.OLD

"Common Sense" wrote in message
...
On Jan 11, 1:59 pm, Michael wrote:
FOB,

I was averaging about 100 grams of carbohydrates per day. Maybe If I had
stayed on the induction diet for 9 years I would not now have type 2. My
bad.

I have been on meat and water since the discovery of my high numbers. My
BG readings are already improving. I realize it will take at least a
couple of months of this to straighten myself out.

What my wife found is that after 3 months of meat and water, she could
pass a BG tolerance test. Meaning, that her BG would only rise to 130
with this test instead of nearly 300 when first diagnosed. I interpret
this change as a definite physiological improvement. Her health improved
dramatically. She had been showing just about every symptom that be
attributed to type 2. She even had shortness of breath and chest pain
with the slightest exertion. All that went away and now as I type this
she is outside shoveling the snow from our driveway.

There are always trolls here (possibly peta crazies) who try to tell us
completely irrational things about the Atkins diet. Of course they have
zero experience with this diet but claim to be experts.

I have been on Atkins for close to 10 years I think now. If I can only
be on it for 6 months, I must be dead now. My wife must be doubly dead
because she has limited her carb intake to below 50 grams per day.

I put these crazies in the category of religious nuts, because their own
ideas about eating have become their religion and they are hell bent to
evangelize.

These people need to create their own newsgroup where they can proclaim
their religion to the world.

FOB wrote:
How many carbs a day were you eating iun maintenance?

Michael wrote:
| My father came down with type 2 when he was 66 years old in 1986.
| My wife was diagnosed in 1999. I went on the Atkins diet with her in
| the same year. I did so in hope that I might dodge the type 2 bullet.
|
| A few days ago a realized that my hopes about this were unrealistic.
I
| measured my BG and it was 126 in the morning before eating. I then
| ate a meal that comprised a total of 12 grams of carbohydrates. After
| 20 minutes my BG rose to 157.
|
| I have no symptoms at this point, but it is clear that I have
| developed the disease at the same age that my father did. 9 years of
| low carb diet did not serve as a prophilactic.
|
| I have now stopped the maintenance diet and reverted to the induction
| diet. This diet reversed the damage done by uncontrolled type 2 in my
| wife. It also made her BG reading normal.
|
| So now I am stuck with the induction diet. I realize this is a great
| improvement over the normal treatment which always results in a
| downhill spiral. I don't want to eventually be shooting insulin. I'll
| take the induction diet permanently before I want to start using a
| needle.
|
| Disappointed in Michigan.

Man, your life sound stressful. You need to do this and do that and
check this and +++++ Well, my friend Diabetes was cured following this
religious nut diet. And he was was not doing this and that and +++++
Low carb is only a temporary relief. Be honest, I bet you are aging
very fast. That how low carb people look to me.OLD

Bull! And...there is no cure for diabetes.

Cheri

Thanks FOB and everyone else except for the troll common senseless nutjob

I will subscribe to the diabetes newsgroup. I am sure there is some good
knowledge to pick up there. I have not yet tried a large salad. I might
try tomorrow and of course measure before and after. I know there is
significant carb count in even green leafy vegetables. I just don't know
how it will effect me. I will try because I really liked salads.

I think just about everything else is off the table for me now. Someday
I might be able to try fruit again. But I will avoid that much dose of
sugar for now.

I suppose I might be classified as pre-diabetic. I have no symptoms
except that awful 157 reading. Maybe I am just kidding myself. I think I
really just have diabetes.

I do know that we all have different body chemistries. I will need to
test foods like you said to see their effect on me.

I will look for Susan's postings on the alt.support.diabetes group.

Thanks again for the comments.


FOB wrote:
It seems to me there is probably an optimum place somewhere between 100
grams and 20, lots of type 2s control their diabetes with LC eating. Part
of it is in the timing, your test was done with carbs in the morning which
is when they affect you the most. I'd suggest you hop over to
alt.support.diabetes. The people there who eat to their meter will help you
out. There are a lot of low carb veggies and some fruits that have stuff
that meat doesn't that are good for you. I am pre diabetic and pretty much
follow a good diabetic diet. I test for new foods to see how much they
affect me then I know whether they are a good part of my diet or not. Susan
posts there and she has a lot of knowledge.

Michael wrote:
| FOB,
|
| I was averaging about 100 grams of carbohydrates per day. Maybe If I
| had stayed on the induction diet for 9 years I would not now have
| type 2. My bad.
|
| I have been on meat and water since the discovery of my high numbers.
| My BG readings are already improving. I realize it will take at least
| a couple of months of this to straighten myself out.
|
| What my wife found is that after 3 months of meat and water, she could
| pass a BG tolerance test. Meaning, that her BG would only rise to 130
| with this test instead of nearly 300 when first diagnosed. I interpret
| this change as a definite physiological improvement. Her health
| improved dramatically. She had been showing just about every symptom
| that be attributed to type 2. She even had shortness of breath and
| chest pain with the slightest exertion. All that went away and now as
| I type this she is outside shoveling the snow from our driveway.
|
| There are always trolls here (possibly peta crazies) who try to tell
| us completely irrational things about the Atkins diet. Of course they
| have zero experience with this diet but claim to be experts.
|
| I have been on Atkins for close to 10 years I think now. If I can only
| be on it for 6 months, I must be dead now. My wife must be doubly dead
| because she has limited her carb intake to below 50 grams per day.
|
| I put these crazies in the category of religious nuts, because their
| own ideas about eating have become their religion and they are hell
| bent to evangelize.
|
| These people need to create their own newsgroup where they can
| proclaim their religion to the world.
|
|
|