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Whey Protein In Addition to Glutamine and BCAA???
I'm thinking about trying out supplementation because I don't seem to be progressing. The main culprit seems to be (so-called? I'm still skeptical) "overtraining," but since I'm not young like I used to be, perhaps it finally exists for me, too (I'm still wedded to the ol' Army idea of rigorous cardio 2x daily, etc.). So I'm looking into supplements to see if that helps any -- for example, I'm looking into testosterone boosters to see if that helps restore the "biochemical context" of my younger self, with respect to work-outs and progress. Researching the matter, there appears to be a million-and-one ingredients necessary to optimal performance and growth, LOL. But a few seem to consistently stand out. Like, first of all, protein. Then creatine and glutamine and BCAAs...but aren't all these "-ines" proteins?? It seems pure whey protein powders already contain glutamine and BCAAs. So why are those two latter ingredients also sold separately??? |
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Whey Protein In Addition to Glutamine and BCAA???
On May 3, 9:51 am, Prisoner at War wrote:
I'm thinking about trying out supplementation because I don't seem to be progressing. The main culprit seems to be (so-called? I'm still skeptical) "overtraining," but since I'm not young like I used to be, perhaps it finally exists for me, too (I'm still wedded to the ol' Army idea of rigorous cardio 2x daily, etc.). So I'm looking into supplements to see if that helps any -- for example, I'm looking into testosterone boosters to see if that helps restore the "biochemical context" of my younger self, with respect to work-outs and progress. Researching the matter, there appears to be a million-and-one ingredients necessary to optimal performance and growth, LOL. But a few seem to consistently stand out. Like, first of all, protein. Then creatine and glutamine and BCAAs...but aren't all these "-ines" proteins?? It seems pure whey protein powders already contain glutamine and BCAAs. So why are those two latter ingredients also sold separately??? 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Whey Protein In Addition to Glutamine and BCAA???
"Prisoner at War" wrote in message
ups.com... I'm thinking about trying out supplementation because I don't seem to be progressing. Please define what "progressing" would be for you. The main culprit seems to be (so-called? I'm still skeptical) "overtraining," but since I'm not young like I used to be, perhaps it finally exists for me, too (I'm still wedded to the ol' Army idea of rigorous cardio 2x daily, etc.). Lots of cardio and getting bigger and/or stronger (what I assume you mean by "progressing") don't work well together for most people most of the time. Before changing your diet, try cutting back on the cardio. Just my opinion. -S- http://www.kbnj.com So I'm looking into supplements to see if that helps any -- for example, I'm looking into testosterone boosters to see if that helps restore the "biochemical context" of my younger self, with respect to work-outs and progress. Researching the matter, there appears to be a million-and-one ingredients necessary to optimal performance and growth, LOL. But a few seem to consistently stand out. Like, first of all, protein. Then creatine and glutamine and BCAAs...but aren't all these "-ines" proteins?? It seems pure whey protein powders already contain glutamine and BCAAs. So why are those two latter ingredients also sold separately??? |
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Whey Protein In Addition to Glutamine and BCAA???
On May 3, 12:00 pm, "Steve Freides" wrote:
Please define what "progressing" would be for you. Well, I mean, not stuck at some particular weight -- like 275-lbs. on the bench press. I had done 315 at one time, for like two reps unassisted, and another one or two with some assist, and now 275 is my max. I know numbers aren't everything, but they're an indicator, it seems. So I'm thinking it's probably old age setting in, loss of testosterone levels, whatever, and I'm now wondering if some supplementation is finally in order. Lots of cardio and getting bigger and/or stronger (what I assume you mean by "progressing") don't work well together for most people most of the time. Before changing your diet, try cutting back on the cardio. Just my opinion. Thanks, much appreciated; that seems to be the consensus all right, though I remember many an Army Ranger who's big and cut and yet who, like all Rangers, have to run run run five days a week, often twice daily. I just like an all-around level of health, which includes being able to run (and I don't mean simply putting one foot in front of the other for like ten minutes). I'm still resistant to the apparent notion that hypertrophy and strength is in some opposition to rigorous and fairly frequent aerobic activity. So, anyway, any idea why they sell BCAA and glutamine, etc., separately if these things are already in whey protein powders?? -S-http://www.kbnj.com So I'm looking into supplements to see if that helps any -- for example, I'm looking into testosterone boosters to see if that helps restore the "biochemical context" of my younger self, with respect to work-outs and progress. Researching the matter, there appears to be a million-and-one ingredients necessary to optimal performance and growth, LOL. But a few seem to consistently stand out. Like, first of all, protein. Then creatine and glutamine and BCAAs...but aren't all these "-ines" proteins?? It seems pure whey protein powders already contain glutamine and BCAAs. So why are those two latter ingredients also sold separately??? |
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"Prisoner at War" wrote in message
ups.com... On May 3, 12:00 pm, "Steve Freides" wrote: Please define what "progressing" would be for you. Well, I mean, not stuck at some particular weight -- like 275-lbs. on the bench press. I had done 315 at one time, for like two reps unassisted, and another one or two with some assist, and now 275 is my max. Still a respectable number and in the ballpark of your all-time max. I know numbers aren't everything, but they're an indicator, it seems. So I'm thinking it's probably old age setting in, loss of testosterone levels, whatever, and I'm now wondering if some supplementation is finally in order. Lots of cardio and getting bigger and/or stronger (what I assume you mean by "progressing") don't work well together for most people most of the time. Before changing your diet, try cutting back on the cardio. Just my opinion. Thanks, much appreciated; that seems to be the consensus all right, though I remember many an Army Ranger who's big and cut and yet who, like all Rangers, have to run run run five days a week, often twice daily. I just like an all-around level of health, which includes being able to run (and I don't mean simply putting one foot in front of the other for like ten minutes). I'm still resistant to the apparent notion that hypertrophy and strength is in some opposition to rigorous and fairly frequent aerobic activity. We're all the same in some ways and different in others - you have to find what works well for you. I'm 52, and I'm _much_ happier doing strength/endurance training than I am with traditional cardio. If you're skinny like me, you can actually put on muscle while improving your cardiovascular health at the same time. I'm in the middle of a several month stretch of high volume, heavy kettlebell snatch training, and my weight has gone up a pound or two while my bodyfat has gone down, and my endurance has simply gone through the roof, .e.g, I can get in the pool and swim a length of front crawl without a breath, something that used to be difficult if not impossible for me. Yesterday I did 120 swing-style kettlebell snatches (60 per arm) in the form of short sets of 3-5 reps each (3-5 reps w/ one arm, switch arms, 3-5 reps the other arm, then put the bell down) followed by short rests, totalling 16 minutes worth in a format that works out to be about 25 second of lifting followed by 35 seconds of rest, give or take. The kettlebell weighs 32 kg (70 lbs.) and I weigh about 70 kg (154 lbs.) So, there's aerobic activity and there's aerobic activity, and the traditional kind works less well, and weights work better, the older you get - that's my take on it, and I think this is often overlooked. As we get older, we lose muscle and you have to fight that. You can rest assured that I can, on no running training, still go out and complete the local 5k footrace at, if not my old racing times, then certainly at my old training pace. So, anyway, any idea why they sell BCAA and glutamine, etc., separately if these things are already in whey protein powders?? I'm sure someone can give a scientific answer, but the short, real-world answer is that they sell whatever people are willing to buy. Just my opinion. -S- http://www.kbnj.com |
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Whey Protein In Addition to Glutamine and BCAA???
On May 3, 1:06 pm, "Steve Freides" wrote:
Still a respectable number and in the ballpark of your all-time max. Thanks, but there's nothing like seeing a minimum of three plates on each end of the bar. Any less and it looks like "cheating" or slacking off! And it's not just this, but chin-ups, curls, everything else...I'm just not lifting as much for as many reps and sets as I used to be, and it's shocking because there are much older lifters who are still very capable. I seem to have burned brightly but quickly...??? You see, I also wonder about all the "old guys" I see in the gym...walking on treadmills, for example: why not go for a walk outside?? Never understood that. Whereas pumping iron, sure, that makes sense -- except now that I seem to be seeing diminishing returns, so I'm wondering if I shouldn't just do push-ups and chin-ups at home, simply. We're all the same in some ways and different in others - you have to find what works well for you. I'm 52, and I'm _much_ happier doing strength/endurance training than I am with traditional cardio. If you're skinny like me, you can actually put on muscle while improving your cardiovascular health at the same time. I'm in the middle of a several month stretch of high volume, heavy kettlebell snatch training, and my weight has gone up a pound or two while my bodyfat has gone down, and my endurance has simply gone through the roof, .e.g, I can get in the pool and swim a length of front crawl without a breath, something that used to be difficult if not impossible for me. Yesterday I did 120 swing-style kettlebell snatches (60 per arm) in the form of short sets of 3-5 reps each (3-5 reps w/ one arm, switch arms, 3-5 reps the other arm, then put the bell down) followed by short rests, totalling 16 minutes worth in a format that works out to be about 25 second of lifting followed by 35 seconds of rest, give or take. The kettlebell weighs 32 kg (70 lbs.) and I weigh about 70 kg (154 lbs.) Yeah, I noticed that you're real big on kettlebells! They look all right; wish my gym had 'em, for variety's sake, though I can't see that big of a difference between their employ and that of plain ol' dumb- and barbells. I'm not particularly familiar with kettlebell routines, but swinging 70-lbs. around as much as you do at your age sounds very healthy! =) I hope to be horseback riding or something like that when I get that point, probably only going to the gym occasionally for a bit of variety. So, there's aerobic activity and there's aerobic activity, and the traditional kind works less well, and weights work better, the older you get - that's my take on it, and I think this is often overlooked. As we get older, we lose muscle and you have to fight that. You can rest assured that I can, on no running training, still go out and complete the local 5k footrace at, if not my old racing times, then certainly at my old training pace. Well, how would you feel the day after? And yeah, at a certain pace, I could jog all day, too...but there's nothing like that sense of near- effortless effort which comes from being in your prime...I dunno, I guess I'm just mourning my perceived loss of youthful vigor here...I don't think of myself as "old" but God damn it I sure ain't "happening" like I used to be...! I'm sure someone can give a scientific answer, but the short, real-world answer is that they sell whatever people are willing to buy. LOL -- good point, of course. I wonder if anyone's done a real documentary on bodybuilding, where they follow a muscleman around, drugs and injections and all. That would really be interesting...too bad ol' Craig Titus is in prison now! Seems like he would have been the ideal star of such a flick, given his apparent anti-Weider Bros. stance. Just my opinion. -S-http://www.kbnj.com |
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"Prisoner at War" wrote in message
oups.com... On May 3, 1:06 pm, "Steve Freides" wrote: Still a respectable number and in the ballpark of your all-time max. Thanks, but there's nothing like seeing a minimum of three plates on each end of the bar. Any less and it looks like "cheating" or slacking off! And it's not just this, but chin-ups, curls, everything else...I'm just not lifting as much for as many reps and sets as I used to be, and it's shocking because there are much older lifters who are still very capable. I seem to have burned brightly but quickly...??? You see, I also wonder about all the "old guys" I see in the gym...walking on treadmills, for example: why not go for a walk outside?? Never understood that. Whereas pumping iron, sure, that makes sense -- except now that I seem to be seeing diminishing returns, so I'm wondering if I shouldn't just do push-ups and chin-ups at home, simply. We're all the same in some ways and different in others - you have to find what works well for you. I'm 52, and I'm _much_ happier doing strength/endurance training than I am with traditional cardio. If you're skinny like me, you can actually put on muscle while improving your cardiovascular health at the same time. I'm in the middle of a several month stretch of high volume, heavy kettlebell snatch training, and my weight has gone up a pound or two while my bodyfat has gone down, and my endurance has simply gone through the roof, .e.g, I can get in the pool and swim a length of front crawl without a breath, something that used to be difficult if not impossible for me. Yesterday I did 120 swing-style kettlebell snatches (60 per arm) in the form of short sets of 3-5 reps each (3-5 reps w/ one arm, switch arms, 3-5 reps the other arm, then put the bell down) followed by short rests, totalling 16 minutes worth in a format that works out to be about 25 second of lifting followed by 35 seconds of rest, give or take. The kettlebell weighs 32 kg (70 lbs.) and I weigh about 70 kg (154 lbs.) Yeah, I noticed that you're real big on kettlebells! They look all right; wish my gym had 'em, for variety's sake, though I can't see that big of a difference between their employ and that of plain ol' dumb- and barbells. I'm not particularly familiar with kettlebell routines, but swinging 70-lbs. around as much as you do at your age sounds very healthy! =) I hope to be horseback riding or something like that when I get that point, probably only going to the gym occasionally for a bit of variety. The DragonDoor forum is where many of the kettlebell folks, me included, hang out. If you want more of an explanation of why we prefer what we do to the alternatives, that's the place to ask. I bought my kettlebells one at a time - a 35 lb. and a 53 lb. will keep most folks happy for quite some time, and the DragonDoor materials are second to none when it comes to basic health and fitness. I'm one of their "kettlebell success stories" - you can read about it on their site, and there's a link from mine as well. I do 95% of my working out at home - much simpler that way. So, there's aerobic activity and there's aerobic activity, and the traditional kind works less well, and weights work better, the older you get - that's my take on it, and I think this is often overlooked. As we get older, we lose muscle and you have to fight that. You can rest assured that I can, on no running training, still go out and complete the local 5k footrace at, if not my old racing times, then certainly at my old training pace. Well, how would you feel the day after? And yeah, at a certain pace, I could jog all day, too...but there's nothing like that sense of near- effortless effort which comes from being in your prime...I dunno, I guess I'm just mourning my perceived loss of youthful vigor here...I don't think of myself as "old" but God damn it I sure ain't "happening" like I used to be...! I do the local 5k every year - for the last decade or so, it's been keeping one or the other of my kids company. Haven't had to push the pace just yet. My youngest is 10 and it's still pretty easy for me to keep up with him. I feel fine the day after, a bit sore as you'd expect from 20+ minutes of an unfamiliar activity. I went for a brief walk/run with my wife today to try to get a little more ready, about 2 miles, ran about half of it. Anyway, best of luck to you. Anything else I can tell you, just holler. We all get older - you do the best you can, and I'm pretty happy with how it's going for me. -S- http://www.kbnj.com I'm sure someone can give a scientific answer, but the short, real-world answer is that they sell whatever people are willing to buy. LOL -- good point, of course. I wonder if anyone's done a real documentary on bodybuilding, where they follow a muscleman around, drugs and injections and all. That would really be interesting...too bad ol' Craig Titus is in prison now! Seems like he would have been the ideal star of such a flick, given his apparent anti-Weider Bros. stance. Just my opinion. -S-http://www.kbnj.com |
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On May 3, 5:45 pm, Prisoner at War wrote:
On May 3, 12:00 pm, "Steve Freides" wrote: So, anyway, any idea why they sell BCAA and glutamine, etc., separately if these things are already in whey protein powders?? BCAA are unusual in that after they're absorbed from the gut into the blood they are taken up by the muscles not the liver. If you eat BCAA on their own then you're directly feeding the muscles. Glutamine is the most abundant amino acid in muscle tissue, so again, eating glutamine is giving muscles what they're made of. Eating proteins provides these amino acids, but only as a component of the total. For hardcore bodybuilders where their stomach capacity is the limiting factor, eating muscle-centric amino acids as supplements can be seen as a more efficient way to sustain anabolic growth. Creatine is a non-protein amino acid, that, once again, is enriched in muscle and acts as a rapid energy source for exercising muscles. Meat contains it, but plants or dairy don't, so a supplement is just easier. MattLB |
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On May 3, 9:09 pm, Bob wrote:
What is BCAA? Branched Chain Amino Acids : http://tinyurl.com/2ud7x8 joanne |
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In article . com,
Prisoner at War wrote: So why are those two latter ingredients also sold separately??? 'Cause they can. Next. -- Will @ www.BrinkZone.com "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural |
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