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Davinci Syrup, is it a scam?
I have been recently diagnosed with type 2. My wife makes me pancakes in
the morning. Each one is quite large. It is made with soy flour, splenda, eggs, and cream. The only carb count comes from the soy flour. It amounts to 8 grams of carbs. Each time I have eaten that pancake my BG shot up. I was using Davinci syrup in generous quantities because it claims zero carbs for 1/4 cup. I could not believe that 8 carbs could effect me so dramatically. Today I had the same exact pancake with butter, cinnamon, and splenda. My carb count dropped from 109 before breakfast to 103 20 minutes after breakfast. Can anyone offer an explanation that does not involve fraud on the part of the pancake syrup manufacturer? |
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Davinci Syrup, is it a scam?
I've heard that some people have a response just to the taste of sweetness.
DaVinci syrup just has Splenda, no carbs. Michael wrote: | I have been recently diagnosed with type 2. My wife makes me pancakes | in the morning. Each one is quite large. It is made with soy flour, | splenda, eggs, and cream. | | The only carb count comes from the soy flour. It amounts to 8 grams of | carbs. Each time I have eaten that pancake my BG shot up. I was using | Davinci syrup in generous quantities because it claims zero carbs for | 1/4 cup. | | I could not believe that 8 carbs could effect me so dramatically. | Today | I had the same exact pancake with butter, cinnamon, and splenda. My | carb count dropped from 109 before breakfast to 103 20 minutes after | breakfast. | | Can anyone offer an explanation that does not involve fraud on the | part of the pancake syrup manufacturer? |
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Davinci Syrup, is it a scam?
On Jan 17, 4:27*pm, "FOB" wrote:
I've heard that some people have a response just to the taste of sweetness. DaVinci syrup just has Splenda, no carbs. Michael wrote: | I have been recently diagnosed with type 2. My wife makes me pancakes | in the morning. Each one is quite large. It is made with soy flour, | splenda, eggs, and cream. | | The only carb count comes from the soy flour. It amounts to 8 grams of | carbs. Each time I have eaten that pancake my BG shot up. I was using | Davinci syrup in generous quantities because it claims zero carbs for | 1/4 cup. | | I could not believe that 8 carbs could effect me so dramatically. | Today | I had the same exact pancake with butter, cinnamon, and splenda. My | carb count dropped from 109 before breakfast to 103 20 minutes after | breakfast. | | Can anyone offer an explanation that does not involve fraud on the | part of the pancake syrup manufacturer? There is another ingredient in the syrup, and that is cellulose gum. I did a bit of googling and it seems that 90% of it is supposed to be excreted. But it isn't clear to me exactly how much is known about it and exactly what happens to it when it's ingested. An interesting experiment would be to eat the same meal with a homemade syrup of just Splenda and some flavoring to see what happens. Preferably using liquid Splenda so it's truly zero carbs. Also, a lot of folks on here, some of whom are diabetic, use DaVinci syrups and this is the first time I've heard of any problems attibuted to it. BTW, you are sure you have the sugar free version, right? I think they do make both kinds, as I think I made the mistake of buying the wrong version once since it looks so similar? |
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Davinci Syrup, is it a scam?
Michael wrote:
I have been recently diagnosed with type 2. My wife makes me pancakes in the morning. Each one is quite large. It is made with soy flour, splenda, eggs, and cream. The only carb count comes from the soy flour. It amounts to 8 grams of carbs. Each time I have eaten that pancake my BG shot up. I was using Davinci syrup in generous quantities because it claims zero carbs for 1/4 cup. I could not believe that 8 carbs could effect me so dramatically. Today I had the same exact pancake with butter, cinnamon, and splenda. My carb count dropped from 109 before breakfast to 103 20 minutes after breakfast. Can anyone offer an explanation that does not involve fraud on the part of the pancake syrup manufacturer? I don't pretend to know anything about diabetes but I do know that Davinci makes both sugar and sugar free types of syrups. Are you sure you grabbed the right bottle? Also, powdered Spenda (either bulk or packets) has carbs from the fillers so if there's enough of it in your pancake you're getting carbs from more than just the soy flour. |
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Davinci Syrup, is it a scam?
On Jan 17, 9:27*pm, "Jeri" wrote:
Michael wrote: I have been recently diagnosed with type 2. My wife makes me pancakes in the morning. Each one is quite large. It is made with soy flour, splenda, eggs, and cream. The only carb count comes from the soy flour. It amounts to 8 grams of carbs. Each time I have eaten that pancake my BG shot up. I was using Davinci syrup in generous quantities because it claims zero carbs for 1/4 cup. I could not believe that 8 carbs could effect me so dramatically. Today I had the same exact pancake with butter, cinnamon, and splenda. My carb count dropped from 109 before breakfast to 103 20 minutes after breakfast. Can anyone offer an explanation that does not involve fraud on the part of the pancake syrup manufacturer? I don't pretend to know anything about diabetes but I do know that Davinci makes both sugar and sugar free types of syrups. Are you sure you grabbed the right bottle? Also, powdered Spenda (either bulk or packets) *has carbs from the fillers so if there's enough of it in your pancake you're getting carbs from more than just the soy flour.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Except he says he ate the same pancakes made with Splenda that had even MORE Splenda on top instead of the Davinci syrup and his BG went down. Which rules out the Splenda completely. I'd like to hear back if he checks the bottle. Using the regular Davinci instead of SF was my thought too. I thought they made both and it was Davinci where I almost bought a bottle of the regular because they look so similar. The only other thing going on here that I can think of is that in his test without Davinci he put cinnamon on top of the pancakes instead. Cinnamon has a stabilizing effect on BG levels and some take it as a natural way to help control BG. So, that could have an effect on what he's seeing in the second test. |
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Davinci Syrup, is it a scam?
Michael wrote:
I checked the bottle and it is indeed carb free. I also carefully read all the ingredients. I realize that the test I made cannot have real scientific value unless it is repeated over and over. Splenda appears to have have no effect on my BG. Perhaps the cinnamon is having a good effect. At this point I just don't know. There is another possibility. Unlikely perhaps but maybe there was a mistake made at the factory and bottles were mislabeled. If you have any urine glucose test strips put a drop of syrup on one and see if it registers as sugar. -- Jeri "You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses." ~Ziggy~ |
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Davinci Syrup, is it a scam?
Jeri,
I don't have any strip, but I will sure buy some now. That is a great idea. Finally I have something I can do about this. I live in rural America. I must order Davinci syrup over the internet. As a result I have a full case sitting in my basement that I am now afraid to touch. The sugar test strips should solve the riddle. Many thanks for this great idea. Jeri wrote: Michael wrote: I checked the bottle and it is indeed carb free. I also carefully read all the ingredients. I realize that the test I made cannot have real scientific value unless it is repeated over and over. Splenda appears to have have no effect on my BG. Perhaps the cinnamon is having a good effect. At this point I just don't know. There is another possibility. Unlikely perhaps but maybe there was a mistake made at the factory and bottles were mislabeled. If you have any urine glucose test strips put a drop of syrup on one and see if it registers as sugar. |
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Davinci Syrup, is it a scam?
Michael wrote:
Jeri, I don't have any strip, but I will sure buy some now. That is a great idea. Finally I have something I can do about this. I live in rural America. I must order Davinci syrup over the internet. As a result I have a full case sitting in my basement that I am now afraid to touch. The sugar test strips should solve the riddle. Many thanks for this great idea. I can't take the credit. If I recall correctly, a long time ago someone on this newsgroup posted that she always took glucose test strips with her when she ate out to make sure the soda she ordered was really sugar free after getting the full sugar version on more than one occaision. I hope you can get to the bottom of your BG spikes whatever the cause may be. -- Jeri "You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses." ~Ziggy~ |
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Davinci Syrup, is it a scam?
Michael wrote:
I have been recently diagnosed with type 2. My wife makes me pancakes in the morning. Each one is quite large. I will correct your carb count in case that makes a difference. "Quite large" isn't an amount but it suggests that the carb count is not what you think it is. I think you have been tricked by the US rounding down policy on labels and a wish to believe stuff is true zero when it's not. Anything half a gram down can be rounded to zero on US labels. It is made with soy flour, You already know the carb count of this. splenda, Not zero carb. Splenda packets are a half gram of sugar filler each and other brands of AS tend to be closer to one gram each than to half. If you're using bulk Splenda that's also not zero carb. It uses sugar as a filler so even though its lighter and fluffier than regular sugar to make a volume per volume replacement it ends up plenty carby. Whatever portion they picked to claim it's zero, they picked it because it is 0.4 to 0.5 grams. Count how many portions your pancake uses and the actual carb count is half that many grams of sugar. I see commercials advertizing a new formulation of Splenda packets that have a gram of fiber. I wonder if that replaces the half gram of sugar filler? If so that's a good thing. eggs, Half gram each. and cream. At 6 grams per cup this is 0.4 grams per tablespoon so a half gram per tablespoon. The only carb count comes from the soy flour. It amounts to 8 grams of carbs. I don't know the portions of the other ingredients but the actual carb count is going to be different. Especially if you're using plenty of Splenda thinking it's true zero when it has sugar as its filler. Each time I have eaten that pancake my BG shot up. I was using Davinci syrup in generous quantities because it claims zero carbs for 1/4 cup. Claims are often nonsense. Davinci has a history of being pretty good about making cliams that are true so I don't think it is the Davinci havng hidden carbs or carbs that are not counted. I could not believe that 8 carbs could effect me so dramatically. Today I had the same exact pancake with butter, cinnamon, and splenda. My carb count dropped from 109 before breakfast to 103 20 minutes after breakfast. Extra Splenda would increase the real carb count and do it with sugar. Can anyone offer an explanation that does not involve fraud on the part of the pancake syrup manufacturer? Depending on the portions involved your carb count could be off by a lot. I think another explanation is more likely. If you read around in studies in the last several years you will find articles that show artificial sweeteners travelling down the digestive tract tend to trigger insulin release. I don't think any of the studies used Splenda but it isn't much of an extrapolation. Sweetness triggering insulin even if it isn't real sugar, it might be what's happening. The experiment to try this is not hard. Make the pancake with nothing in it sweeter than cream. Make one that's rich not sweet and use your meter to see the result. No unexplained blood sugar swings, then switch to the rich pancakes because it was the sweetness that caused it not the actual carb count. |
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