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Down Fall of Low Carb
I know that folks in my weightloss surgery support group here in town, they
are forever searching for quick, easy solutions with as little work as possible to "maintain" their weight loss. Probably is that folks who reach their goal weight and/or are a year or so out, I've noticed that they do one of two things........either they start regaining their weight and they stop coming/posting to our local group/yahoo group OR they do stick around but they are depressed or asking for help. When we discuss it, we find that in most cases it's because they were looking for the easy out. They stopped being sure that they took in more protein than carbs........and increased their bread/pasta intake. The bottom line for alot of us is that we're just going to have to take the time and feed ourselves by cooking or eating fresh, whatever we intake. I wish that at some point I'd get so I don't have to put so much thought into what I eat/drink each day but I realized a couple of months ago, that just ain't gonna happen. If it does then I'm in trouble. I think we do well to accept that which we can not change....... -- Carol J HW350/GW150/CW181.8 "BlueBrooke" .@. wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:41:37 -0500, Aaron Baugher These are good points, Aaron. Several years ago when manufacturers started jumping on the low-carb bandwagon, we had a discussion on a mailing list about how this wasn't necessarily a good thing. We were outnumbered by the working moms who wanted "low cost, wholesome, high quality, low-carb convenience foods" to make their lives easier. These same people were posting six months later that they "tried Atkins and it didn't work." -- BlueBrooke 255/250/135 -- 01 Jan 2007 |
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Down Fall of Low Carb
I don't use LC milk, I would use heavy cream or forgo the food that would
require milk or have regular milk sparingly. I also, if I wanted to make those items, would make them myself as I can be sure of the carb count and ingredients as labels lie. Also long with the low carb, back to cooking life style, people discovered a host of intolerance from certain foods. Which frankly, if they didn't cook and go low carb would have been forever in the dark about. Yeast being one of the major issues. But the point is, like so many are pointing out, the quick availability of mass produced LC items have lead some to fail at the actual dieting part, become lazy in what learning LC and really forget what LC is all about. wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 29, 9:24 am, "2Phat" wrote: But low carb books do talk about abstaining from sugars and certain cards and such. Atkins himself didn't even start discounting 'sugar alcohol's and fiber until he started making products. They do not talk about having a low carb product here and there. And I am referring to pre mass produced products low carb books as I really don't know what changes any low carb books made once the products took hold. What I'm saying is the purity of low carb is gone, and pickles and ketchup were not apart of that early purity, which is why it's harder to really do low carb. Much harder now then it was before the mass production of products. So, it was OK and pure if I bought tomato paste, vinegar, and sucralose, and spent time making it myself, winding up with something with the same amount of carbs as Heinz, but not tasting as good? Or if I bought cucumbers and made pickles myself, instead of buying the Mt Olive ones? And somehow that was supposed to make it more likely that I would stay on LC, having to go to more trouble, instead of picking it up off the shelf? Either of those foods was perfectly fine all the way back to the Atkins books of the 70's. The only difference was back then, you had to do more yourself. BTW, how do you make the Hood LC milk? I'd really like to know, in case that goes away. Yes, good for maintenance but not good for weight reduction. wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 29, 4:43 am, "2Phat" wrote: A long time ago I thought having low carb products in mass was a good idea. I thought it would make low carb easier. I thought low carb on the go would be easier. I thought cooking with low carb products would be easier. And having many of these products available does make LC easier for people who are really serious about doing it and are going to take the time to read a book and figure out how to do it right. Products like Hood LC milk, Heinz Ketchup, Mt Olive Sweet Pickles, LC Tortillas, even LC shakes for a quick occasional meal, make it easier for me. I think it's silly to attribute the bursting of the LC bubble to LC products. It's well known that the vast majority of people can't follow any diet. A lot jumped on LC due to all the media attention it was getting in the early part of the decade. Suddenly it became the "in" thing to try as a quick and easy solution. Most figured they could do LC for a month or two, drop 20 lbs and then go back to their old ways. They would have failed with or without the products. What I've learned is low carb products in mass really hurts the low carb dieter because it takes away the basic principal of low carb. Yes some product development has been great for diabetics as they have much better choices in foods that won't raise BSL's, and some other products are excellent as they do not interfere with weight lose, but for the most part the snacks, legal treats, pre made shakes, breads, etc., have added to low carb being more of a fad then a life style change. The products are more for maintenance but fool the dieter into thinking it's a part of the diet phase. I've come to realize low carb is at it's best when you are eating real foods for the weight lose phase and maybe a few 'products' when your in long term maintenance and incorporating the life style with your tastes. You still have to be careful. The marketing plan is, get a diet, it become popular people are losing weight, get products, people stop losing weight and start struggling with the diet.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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2Phat wrote:
:: But the point is, like so many are pointing out, the quick :: availability of mass produced LC items have lead some to fail at the :: actual dieting part, become lazy in what learning LC and really :: forget what LC is all about. Nonsense. They would have failed anyway. Whether it be LC products or just flat out cheating, these people would not follow the plan. Trying to lay blame after the fact just because there is something to "point at" is just stupid. |
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So lazy people don't deserve dieting success? Seems to me that if you have
products available that make it easier more people will succeed and that's a good thing. 2Phat wrote: | I don't use LC milk, I would use heavy cream or forgo the food that | would require milk or have regular milk sparingly. I also, if I | wanted to make those items, would make them myself as I can be sure | of the carb count and ingredients as labels lie. | | Also long with the low carb, back to cooking life style, people | discovered a host of intolerance from certain foods. Which frankly, | if they didn't cook and go low carb would have been forever in the | dark about. Yeast being one of the major issues. | | But the point is, like so many are pointing out, the quick | availability of mass produced LC items have lead some to fail at the | actual dieting part, become lazy in what learning LC and really | forget what LC is all about. | | | |
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You nailed it on the head! That's the entire point of the post.
"FOB" wrote in message et... So lazy people don't deserve dieting success? Seems to me that if you have products available that make it easier more people will succeed and that's a good thing. |
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On Apr 29, 6:34 pm, "2Phat" wrote:
You nailed it on the head! That's the entire point of the post. "FOB" wrote in message et... So lazy people don't deserve dieting success? Seems to me that if you have products available that make it easier more people will succeed and that's a good thing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - 2Phat now agrees that the entire point of the original post was as FOB stated, that having products available make it easier to do LC so more people will succeed? Hmmm, now I'm confused. |
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On Apr 29, 1:50 pm, "Carol J" wrote:
I know that folks in my weightloss surgery support group here in town, they are forever searching for quick, easy solutions with as little work as possible to "maintain" their weight loss. Probably is that folks who reach their goal weight and/or are a year or so out, I've noticed that they do one of two things........either they start regaining their weight and they stop coming/posting to our local group/yahoo group OR they do stick around but they are depressed or asking for help. When we discuss it, we find that in most cases it's because they were looking for the easy out. They stopped being sure that they took in more protein than carbs........and increased their bread/pasta intake. The bottom line for alot of us is that we're just going to have to take the time and feed ourselves by cooking or eating fresh, whatever we intake. I don't see how cooking it yourself has much to do with this. You could cook a pot of mashed potatoes and eat those too. If you're just don't give a damn and choose to eat bread and pasta, that strongly suggest to me that the problem has little to do with what LC or regular foods are available and a lot to do with personal responsibility. The simple fact is, it's well known that most dieters fail regardless of what type of diet they are on. And the other big assumption here is that everyone has the same LC goals that you do. How about someone who isn't seriously overweight and just has finally bought into the idea that a lot of carbs isn't good for you? So, they would rather buy a LC version of a product that they already buy, just trying to reduce their carb intake. Should they be denied a LC or reduced sugar product because someone else can't keep their hands off it? I wish that at some point I'd get so I don't have to put so much thought into what I eat/drink each day but I realized a couple of months ago, that just ain't gonna happen. If it does then I'm in trouble. I think we do well to accept that which we can not change....... -- Carol J HW350/GW150/CW181.8 "BlueBrooke" .@. wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:41:37 -0500, Aaron Baugher These are good points, Aaron. Several years ago when manufacturers started jumping on the low-carb bandwagon, we had a discussion on a mailing list about how this wasn't necessarily a good thing. We were outnumbered by the working moms who wanted "low cost, wholesome, high quality, low-carb convenience foods" to make their lives easier. These same people were posting six months later that they "tried Atkins and it didn't work." -- BlueBrooke 255/250/135 -- 01 Jan 2007 |
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On Apr 29, 11:33 am, "Carol J" wrote:
I agree with this thought.............I mean it's great to be able to keep a packet of peanuts in one's purse for when you really just can't get home to cook something or eat something safe but for the most part, part of healthier eating means cooking at home, at least for me. I keep peanuts at work, at home, in my purse........those 1 oz packets. Carol J So, it's OK for you to keep a packet of peanuts, which aren't that low in carb, in your pocket for this occasional situation, but if someone else chooses to do the same thing with a LC bar or shake, that will be leadto their failure and deserve the blame? 2Phat wrote: A long time ago I thought having low carb products in mass was a good idea. I thought it would make low carb easier. I thought low carb on the go would be easier. I thought cooking with low carb products would be easier. What I've learned is low carb products in mass really hurts the low carb dieter because it takes away the basic principal of low carb. Yes some product development has been great for diabetics as they have much better choices in foods that won't raise BSL's, and some other products are excellent as they do not interfere with weight lose, but for the most part the snacks, legal treats, pre made shakes, breads, etc., have added to low carb being more of a fad then a life style change. The products are more for maintenance but fool the dieter into thinking it's a part of the diet phase. I've come to realize low carb is at it's best when you are eating real foods for the weight lose phase and maybe a few 'products' when your in long term maintenance and incorporating the life style with your tastes. You still have to be careful. The marketing plan is, get a diet, it become popular people are losing weight, get products, people stop losing weight and start struggling with the diet.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Apr 30, 7:55 am, "
wrote: On Apr 29, 6:34 pm, "2Phat" wrote: You nailed it on the head! That's the entire point of the post. "FOB" wrote in message . net... So lazy people don't deserve dieting success? Seems to me that if you have products available that make it easier more people will succeed and that's a good thing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - 2Phat now agrees that the entire point of the original post was as FOB stated, that having products available make it easier to do LC so more people will succeed? Hmmm, now I'm confused. I was done with 2Phat, but the quotes just come through. I think she was agreeing with lazy people don't deserve success. Personally, I think lazy people are just like everyone else, only they haven't found the right motivation yet. Let's say more environmental than internal nature. Like criminality. As a drinker of shakes, both RTD and mix yourself, an eater of dreamfields, an occasional purcahser of InStone pudding (20g protein, gotta love the power), and various other LC convenience products, I find the insinuation from someone who hasn't lost and maintained any real loss over any significant span of time to be at best, not worthy of notice and at worst, insulting to the people who are like me and have lost large amounts and maintained for months and years rather than days and weeks. Let's suggest that mileage varies, some folks tolerate some convenience products very well and some don't, and that these products (and things like wheat, peanuts, cassein protein, etc) have some variability in response. That seems reasonable. PS- Dreamfields is good for me, I understand where folks may suggest that it's feeding my bad habits like eating pasta, and I am willing to live with that. Just because I'm not committed to a completely paleo lifestyle doesn't mean I'm not committed to better health and weightloss. -Hollywood |
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Hollywood wrote:
:: On Apr 30, 7:55 am, " :: wrote: ::: On Apr 29, 6:34 pm, "2Phat" wrote: ::: :::: You nailed it on the head! That's the entire point of the post. ::: :::: "FOB" wrote in message ::: :::: et... ::: ::::: So lazy people don't deserve dieting success? Seems to me that ::::: if you have ::::: products available that make it easier more people will succeed ::::: and that's a ::::: good thing.- Hide quoted text - ::: :::: - Show quoted text - ::: ::: 2Phat now agrees that the entire point of the original post was as ::: FOB stated, that having products available make it easier to do LC ::: so more people will succeed? Hmmm, now I'm confused. :: :: I was done with 2Phat, but the quotes just come through. :: :: I think she was agreeing with lazy people don't deserve success. :: Personally, I think lazy people are just like everyone else, only :: they haven't found the right motivation yet. Let's say more :: environmental than internal nature. Like criminality. :: :: As a drinker of shakes, both RTD and mix yourself, an eater of :: dreamfields, an occasional purcahser of InStone pudding (20g protein, :: gotta love the power), and various other LC convenience products, I :: find the insinuation from someone who hasn't lost and maintained any :: real loss over any significant span of time to be at best, not worthy :: of notice and at worst, insulting to the people who are like me and :: have lost large amounts and maintained for months and years rather :: than days and weeks. :: I use Instone pudding too. Great LC product, IMO. I also use those cinnamon pork skins that netrition sells. Another great LC product. I use Mt Olive BB pickle products made with Spenda. Several more great products. I use Hoods drinks. Another great product. On occason, I might even use RS SF candies, but those are self-limiting. As a T2D, they do represent a great product for me as they don't send me on super high spikes. Frankly, I think 2phat is a near idiot. :: Let's suggest that mileage varies, some folks tolerate some :: convenience products very well and some don't, and that these :: products (and things like wheat, peanuts, cassein protein, etc) have :: some variability in response. That seems reasonable. :: :: PS- Dreamfields is good for me, I understand where folks may suggest :: that it's feeding my bad habits like eating pasta, and I am willing :: to live with that. Just because I'm not committed to a completely :: paleo lifestyle doesn't mean I'm not committed to better health and :: weightloss. Interestingly, pasta is a product that I used to eat a lot of but I don't miss it at all. I find that curious. The bottom line is that people won't need to lay blame on any type of product to not lose weight. LC products aren't the reason people don't lose - if you eat too much food it doesn't matter what you're eating, you won't lose weight. Those on LF will find it hard to lose too even then they pick LF products. It is because of the product? It's clear that the common denominator is really the eating, not the products. If one counts calories and has a real commitment to weight loss, then *any* product can be used. Albeit, it might be tougher when you can't be sure what's in something (on this point 2phat is correct, I admit). So, doing the work yourself in terms of preparing your own food is often the way to success, but mainly because of the type of "mental focus" it takes to get to that point. Another way to generate that type of "mental focus" in weight loss efforts is to count calories while using LC products and note whether or not they create greater desire to overeat. If they do, you cut them out and try something else. Either way, it's a mind game and whatever one can do to keep the mind in control over the body will lead to success. |
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