RAFL week 9 - Prairie Roots

Getting my nails done is the one girlie thing I do for myself, I don't count
my hair because it is long for DH. I love getting my nails done, and bear
in mind, I only wear make up when forced into a formal situation, Lee
Deb in Northern California wrote in message
...
The one thing that I do that is just for me, is getting my nails done and
a
pedicure also. Those are for me, makes me feel good and I enjoy the time
at
the shop relaxing. I have been doing this for years now. I go about once
or twice a month to get my nails done and the pedicure. The lady that has
been doing my nails has been doing it for so many years, she is like part
of
the family. She has seen both my kids grow up too and because I have
recommended a lot of my friends to go to her, we know a lot of the same
people. For a special treat, I will get a massage. Again, it is only for
me and no one reaps the benefits of that except me.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I also hate shopping so it doesn't get done often. I don't buy myself
much (guess
that happens when you have kids) so really have no idea of what being
good
to
*myself* means. I do get more enjoyment out of new toys and gadgets
though, so
when splurging I move into that direction ... new computer, digital
camera,
software, etc. g And yes, designer clothing is definitely over rated.
I am
finding though, that there definitely are specific brands I can and
can't
wear due
to difference in cuts. Dang! And here we thought that when losing the
weight
things would be easier. I now have to try things on even more than
before. g

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:10:53 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

yup. Very similar in age.

Different people have different definitions of what "being good" to
oneself
means. I'm not a fan of shopping so buying stuff to cover myself isn't
"being good" to myself. A few years ago, being good to myself would
have
meant going out and eating whatever I wanted. After I checked out the
size
of my behind, I decided there had to be a different and better way.
I'm
sure you did deserve to buy something brand spanking new from a
designer
store. I would have said the same thing, but now that you did it you
find
it to be over rated.

A lot of people love to shop. I'm only one of them if I can find
something
on a great sale and it has to be good quality too.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Aha! So you are within a few days/weeks of my daughters age. G
See,
I
never
should lump everyone into one category (such as generations) as there
are
probably
more around that have common sense ... as you appear to. g But
....
I
do have
to admit to shopping at the Gap on occassion, and although I haven't
purchased
anything for myself at Eddie Bauer - I do like their clothing styles.
Sometimes
we just have to splurge on ourselves. My very first *new* outfit was
from
Gap. I
had not one pair of jeans left, nor any shirts and it was when I
finally
reached
goal. My youngest girl told me I deserved them .. I believed her.

Joyce

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:08:21 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

I think all those stores are too expensive too. I only shop there in
case
of
emergency or during clearance sales.

Btw, I'm June too.

Julie
"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the same age as our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all these stores are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is expensive, she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type shopper. G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in the younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to Banana Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be inexpensive soon. Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was a great deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you probably don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height is from the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will hit me even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find some terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down to $6. These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit me perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to check out the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts I have, are
all
size L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to pick stuff up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive. I have a shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing shirt. I paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but they don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and are acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely made for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105 pound daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short ... not good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are more expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay focused 100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax just a little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to relax, as long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had someone the other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not gonna happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big in the legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of carpenter pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and probably still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower rise jeans I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the waist is too snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried the Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer* names wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute capri's in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though, only ones in the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true fit* or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the Levi Nouveau
but
I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???). The levi's
have a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a tad baggy in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better than the
constant
snug I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different story with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store and brand. I
have
no
clue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments and attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people saying things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a little puffed up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all the other crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my tummy, not my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried, Gloria Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little stretch in my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking experience. LOL But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch jeans don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the program and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to yourself that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink decision ... my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think both times we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone else ordered and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they may have had a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something to think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into those size 10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the clothing victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without stretch though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT ... don't write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being hugged. G

Fight back with those other personalities of yours that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put a damper on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just have to make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow, was THAT hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health
issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on
a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and need to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced after three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I couldn't justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that, the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
...
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove, fridge, double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag carpeting and gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my *stuff* is white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless and was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a prior house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the prior house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was stainless. Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste* things. Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled walls, white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to wall (to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products on the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water spots and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a constant type of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway). What you think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and ajax/comet scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and bleach solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright white. After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles tend to go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to stainless steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't care for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love stainless steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from last week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+ total loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to keep going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I haven't heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that it fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a classic fit size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that the medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a new lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is deciding what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later today I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and getting home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather from WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on a few other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs to WW goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
started WW 22-Feb-2003 | 10% target: 1-May-2003
5'4" | 50 | F




Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Joyce,

I just did a search on the May's and Federated. Lord & Taylor's is a May's
dept store as was Filene's Basement while here. They also recently bought
Gingiss formalwear and own David's Bridal.

Macy's is Federated as is Bloomingdale's and I believe there is a Bloomie's
in the city.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
...
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps are what ...
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running around in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the stores selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store. Selling it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they will only be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No Federated or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of us will see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and not leather
... I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not something any of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do not check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the items way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just went to a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into country like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it was the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is leaing in a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into music based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I am a bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools. But it comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs around. So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had my heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt will do unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most times, I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered with them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process. I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for here at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We don't have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest stores, of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just pleather and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought them when they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a concert. She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a local band here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall Fields ...
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the *library* (hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are selling off the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their clothing - have not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever purchased from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was when I would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as well as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here they are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they are sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same thing with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be *in style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in our area
....
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander in on rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he was shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a sweatshirt at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have any work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm and Fleet ...
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic, prices are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current craze (based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for Christmas). That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need for the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays away from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things that K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that sells the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable. The Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special about it and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them, since she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any store that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot Topic. But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in there. She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears, she prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller ones. I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is extremely large ...
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one nearest me is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a specialty shop. g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items in the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the specialized women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping in the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of levi's) and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is considered a more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just looked at a pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she is not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the best prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they usually run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top price end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is more of a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ... jeans, t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into *brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's during last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the season for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than K-mart/Wal-mart which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may 3 racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back there for a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could fit in to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion trends. Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size 5),a T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top Converse shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at all. It is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so that is nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to shop and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes now, she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy skirt there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I plan to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This was the first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed in the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the high side as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going there last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest daughter. $30+ for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the same age as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all these stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is expensive, she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be inexpensive soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was a great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height is from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will hit me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down to $6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to check out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts I have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to pick stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive. I have a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing shirt. I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely made for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105 pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short ... not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax just a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to relax, as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had someone the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not gonna happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big in the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower rise jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the waist is too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer* names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute capri's in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though, only ones in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true fit* or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???). The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a tad baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better than the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store and brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people saying things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all the other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried, Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little stretch in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the program and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink decision ...
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think both times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they may have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something to think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into those size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT ... don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being hugged.
G

Fight back with those other personalities of yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put a damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just have to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow, was THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at work is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

I wear makeup but it takes me about 2-3 minutes to apply. It just makes my
complexion brighter and my eyes tend to be more prominent then. I did not
wear makeup for years, as my ex did not like makeup, he preferred the
natural look. When he left, I started wearing makeup again, and I have had
many people comment that it does not look like I wear any as it is so
subtle. I don't always wear it on the weekends though, depends on what I am
doing and where I might be going, but just to run errands, I don't bother
most times.

Debbie

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
Getting my nails done is the one girlie thing I do for myself, I don't
count
my hair because it is long for DH. I love getting my nails done, and bear
in mind, I only wear make up when forced into a formal situation, Lee
Deb in Northern California wrote in message
...
The one thing that I do that is just for me, is getting my nails done
and
a
pedicure also. Those are for me, makes me feel good and I enjoy the
time
at
the shop relaxing. I have been doing this for years now. I go about
once
or twice a month to get my nails done and the pedicure. The lady that
has
been doing my nails has been doing it for so many years, she is like
part
of
the family. She has seen both my kids grow up too and because I have
recommended a lot of my friends to go to her, we know a lot of the same
people. For a special treat, I will get a massage. Again, it is only
for
me and no one reaps the benefits of that except me.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I also hate shopping so it doesn't get done often. I don't buy myself
much (guess
that happens when you have kids) so really have no idea of what being
good
to
*myself* means. I do get more enjoyment out of new toys and gadgets
though, so
when splurging I move into that direction ... new computer, digital
camera,
software, etc. g And yes, designer clothing is definitely over
rated.
I am
finding though, that there definitely are specific brands I can and
can't
wear due
to difference in cuts. Dang! And here we thought that when losing
the
weight
things would be easier. I now have to try things on even more than
before. g

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:10:53 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

yup. Very similar in age.

Different people have different definitions of what "being good" to
oneself
means. I'm not a fan of shopping so buying stuff to cover myself
isn't
"being good" to myself. A few years ago, being good to myself would
have
meant going out and eating whatever I wanted. After I checked out
the
size
of my behind, I decided there had to be a different and better way.
I'm
sure you did deserve to buy something brand spanking new from a
designer
store. I would have said the same thing, but now that you did it you
find
it to be over rated.

A lot of people love to shop. I'm only one of them if I can find
something
on a great sale and it has to be good quality too.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Aha! So you are within a few days/weeks of my daughters age. G
See,
I
never
should lump everyone into one category (such as generations) as
there
are
probably
more around that have common sense ... as you appear to. g But
...
I
do have
to admit to shopping at the Gap on occassion, and although I
haven't
purchased
anything for myself at Eddie Bauer - I do like their clothing
styles.
Sometimes
we just have to splurge on ourselves. My very first *new* outfit
was
from
Gap. I
had not one pair of jeans left, nor any shirts and it was when I
finally
reached
goal. My youngest girl told me I deserved them .. I believed her.

Joyce

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:08:21 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

I think all those stores are too expensive too. I only shop there
in
case
of
emergency or during clearance sales.

Btw, I'm June too.

Julie
"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the same age as our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all these stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is expensive, she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type shopper. G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in the younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be inexpensive soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was a great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height is from the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will hit me even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down to $6. These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to check out the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts I have, are
all
size L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to pick stuff up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive. I have a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing shirt. I paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but they don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely made for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105 pound daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short ... not good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax just a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to relax, as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had someone the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not gonna happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big in the legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower rise jeans I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the waist is too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried the Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer* names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute capri's in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though, only ones in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true fit* or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the Levi Nouveau
but
I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???). The levi's
have a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a tad baggy in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better than the
constant
snug I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different story with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store and brand. I
have
no
clue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments and attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people saying things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a little puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all the other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my tummy, not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried, Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little stretch in my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking experience. LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch jeans don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the program and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink decision ... my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think both times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone else ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they may have had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something to think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into those size 10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the clothing victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without stretch though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT ... don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being hugged. G

Fight back with those other personalities of yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put a damper on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just have to make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow, was THAT hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to

keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health
issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus
on
a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Nah, when it is in the 40s I wear a jacket, otherwise it is a light sweater
most of the time or just a sweatshirt. To me it is cold when it is in the
60s. I love the temps now, high 70s-low 80s are ideal to me, but they wont
last long. We will be 90-100+ soon.

Sherry is actually considering a school in the So Cal area that specializes
in the industry she wants, too bad too as there is a private school here in
town with the same program, but she wants out of the small (250k) town we
are in and get into a big city like Los Angeles, San Diego or San Francisco.
Her second choice is San Francisco State, so who knows, thank goodness she
is a high school sophomore at the moment, so she has a bit of time to wait
for school. We will most likely check out Cal State Northridge this summer
when we take a vacation to the Los Angeles area. Will be a first time
vacationing in that area and not getting away to a smaller locale, but she
wants to see the Museum of Tolerance in the L.A. area, so that is where we
are heading. She has such a huge interest in the Holocaust and that is what
that museum is dedicated to.


Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps are what ...
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running around in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the stores selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store. Selling it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they will only be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No Federated or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of us will see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and not leather
... I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not something any of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do not check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the items way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just went to a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into country like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it was the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is leaing in a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into music based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I am a bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools. But it comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs around. So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had my heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt will do unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most times, I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered with them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process. I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for here at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We don't have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest stores, of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just pleather and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought them when they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a concert. She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a local band here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall Fields ...
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the *library* (hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are selling off the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their clothing - have not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever purchased from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was when I would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as well as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here they are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they are sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same thing with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be *in style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in our area
....
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander in on rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he was shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a sweatshirt at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have any work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm and Fleet ...
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic, prices are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current craze (based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for Christmas). That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need for the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays away from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things that K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that sells the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable. The Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special about it and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them, since she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any store that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot Topic. But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in there. She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears, she prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller ones. I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is extremely large ...
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one nearest me is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a specialty shop. g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items in the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the specialized women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping in the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of levi's) and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is considered a more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just looked at a pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she is not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the best prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they usually run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top price end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is more of a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ... jeans, t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into *brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's during last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the season for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than K-mart/Wal-mart which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may 3 racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back there for a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could fit in to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion trends. Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size 5),a T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top Converse shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at all. It is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so that is nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to shop and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes now, she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy skirt there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I plan to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This was the first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed in the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the high side as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going there last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest daughter. $30+ for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the same age as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all these stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is expensive, she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be inexpensive soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was a great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height is from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will hit me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down to $6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to check out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts I have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to pick stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive. I have a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing shirt. I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely made for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105 pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short ... not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax just a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to relax, as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had someone the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not gonna happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big in the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower rise jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the waist is too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer* names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute capri's in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though, only ones in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true fit* or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???). The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a tad baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better than the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store and brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people saying things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all the other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried, Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little stretch in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the program and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink decision ...
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think both times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they may have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something to think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into those size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT ... don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being hugged.
G

Fight back with those other personalities of yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put a damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just have to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow, was THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at work is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

I'm the same way, can't justify replacing something that is still working ... no
matter how outdated it is or how bad I really would like a more current model.
Well, except for my computers. Those I have no trouble replacing early. G
Guess we all have our priorites. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:13:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and need to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced after three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I couldn't justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that, the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove, fridge, double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag carpeting and gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my *stuff* is white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless and was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a prior house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the prior house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was stainless. Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste* things. Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled walls, white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to wall (to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products on the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water spots and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a constant type of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway). What you think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and ajax/comet scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and bleach solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright white. After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles tend to go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to stainless steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't care for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love stainless steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from last week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+ total loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to keep going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I haven't heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that it fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a classic fit size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that the medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a new lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is deciding what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later today I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and getting home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather from WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on a few other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs to WW goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
started WW 22-Feb-2003 | 10% target: 1-May-2003
5'4" | 50 | F




Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Well, I don't think I have any urgent need for formalwear or bridal apparel. G
It appears we only have the higher end stores in our area then, I'm assuming they
must also have lower end retail stores? I'm thinking there may be a bloomingdales
in Oakbrook .. or maybe it was just talk of one at some time - don't remember.
Lord and Taylor's is in Fox Valley. None of them hold any interest for me, too
uppity. G

Thanks for the info. I do find it very interesting, who owns what.

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:13:00 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

Joyce,

I just did a search on the May's and Federated. Lord & Taylor's is a May's
dept store as was Filene's Basement while here. They also recently bought
Gingiss formalwear and own David's Bridal.

Macy's is Federated as is Bloomingdale's and I believe there is a Bloomie's
in the city.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps are what ...
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running around in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the stores selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store. Selling it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they will only be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No Federated or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of us will see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and not leather
.. I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not something any of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do not check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the items way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just went to a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into country like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it was the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is leaing in a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into music based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I am a bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools. But it comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs around. So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had my heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt will do unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most times, I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered with them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process. I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for here at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We don't have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest stores, of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just pleather and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought them when they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a concert. She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a local band here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall Fields ...
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the *library* (hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are selling off the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their clothing - have not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever purchased from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was when I would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as well as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here they are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they are sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same thing with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be *in style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in our area
...
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander in on rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he was shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a sweatshirt at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have any work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm and Fleet ...
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic, prices are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current craze (based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for Christmas). That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need for the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays away from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things that K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that sells the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable. The Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special about it and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them, since she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any store that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot Topic. But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in there. She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears, she prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller ones. I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is extremely large ...
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one nearest me is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a specialty shop. g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items in the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the specialized women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping in the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of levi's) and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is considered a more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just looked at a pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she is not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the best prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they usually run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top price end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is more of a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ... jeans, t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into *brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's during last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the season for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than K-mart/Wal-mart which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may 3 racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back there for a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could fit in to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion trends. Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size 5),a T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top Converse shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at all. It is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so that is nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to shop and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes now, she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy skirt there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I plan to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This was the first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed in the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the high side as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going there last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest daughter. $30+ for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the same age as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all these stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is expensive, she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be inexpensive soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was a great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height is from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will hit me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down to $6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to check out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts I have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to pick stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive. I have a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing shirt. I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely made for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105 pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short ... not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax just a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to relax, as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had someone the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not gonna happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big in the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower rise jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the waist is too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer* names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute capri's in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though, only ones in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true fit* or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???). The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a tad baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better than the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store and brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people saying things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all the other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried, Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little stretch in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the program and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink decision ...
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think both times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they may have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something to think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into those size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT ... don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being hugged.
G

Fight back with those other personalities of yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put a damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just have to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow, was THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at work is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

I think we all get accustomed to the environment we live in. 40's are cool in
your neck of the woods ... here the opinion varies on the season. 40's are cool
when moving into fall, yet those same 40's are a heat wave when moving out of the
winter and into spring. Us midwesterner's are a fickle lot. G I do love those
70's and 80's though, but would gladly take a pass on the humidity that we tend to
get along with the higher temps. And I don't like the 90/100's at all!

Cassie had talked about a school in Frisco, don't remember which or what one, or
what it was for - I pretty much just told her it wasn't going to happen. I know
my girl, the last thing I need is her being across country crying that she is
homesick (this is the girl that couldn't stay at summer camp for more than a few
days). We're hoping for something a bit more local ... far enough to be away from
home, yet close enough to come back if and when necessary. Frisco pretty much
leaves her the option of lengthy holiday breaks only. She is currently a junior,
so still has a full year to make up her mind. Plenty of time.

I laugh at your daughter wanting to get out of your SMALL town ... 250k doesn't
sound small at all to me. Ours is about 45,000, the highschool contains the exact
same kids that went to middle school together ... no additional schools funnelling
into it, no new kids other than transfers. But Cassie is also drawn towards the
city (Chicago) ... so she says anyway. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:57:10 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

Nah, when it is in the 40s I wear a jacket, otherwise it is a light sweater
most of the time or just a sweatshirt. To me it is cold when it is in the
60s. I love the temps now, high 70s-low 80s are ideal to me, but they wont
last long. We will be 90-100+ soon.

Sherry is actually considering a school in the So Cal area that specializes
in the industry she wants, too bad too as there is a private school here in
town with the same program, but she wants out of the small (250k) town we
are in and get into a big city like Los Angeles, San Diego or San Francisco.
Her second choice is San Francisco State, so who knows, thank goodness she
is a high school sophomore at the moment, so she has a bit of time to wait
for school. We will most likely check out Cal State Northridge this summer
when we take a vacation to the Los Angeles area. Will be a first time
vacationing in that area and not getting away to a smaller locale, but she
wants to see the Museum of Tolerance in the L.A. area, so that is where we
are heading. She has such a huge interest in the Holocaust and that is what
that museum is dedicated to.


Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps are what ...
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running around in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the stores selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store. Selling it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they will only be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No Federated or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of us will see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and not leather
.. I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not something any of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do not check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the items way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just went to a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into country like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it was the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is leaing in a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into music based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I am a bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools. But it comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs around. So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had my heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt will do unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most times, I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered with them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process. I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for here at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We don't have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest stores, of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just pleather and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought them when they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a concert. She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a local band here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall Fields ...
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the *library* (hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are selling off the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their clothing - have not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever purchased from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was when I would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as well as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here they are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they are sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same thing with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be *in style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in our area
...
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander in on rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he was shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a sweatshirt at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have any work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm and Fleet ...
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic, prices are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current craze (based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for Christmas). That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need for the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays away from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things that K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that sells the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable. The Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special about it and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them, since she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any store that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot Topic. But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in there. She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears, she prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller ones. I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is extremely large ...
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one nearest me is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a specialty shop. g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items in the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the specialized women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping in the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of levi's) and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is considered a more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just looked at a pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she is not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the best prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they usually run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top price end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is more of a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ... jeans, t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into *brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's during last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the season for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than K-mart/Wal-mart which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may 3 racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back there for a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could fit in to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion trends. Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size 5),a T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top Converse shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at all. It is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so that is nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to shop and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes now, she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy skirt there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I plan to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This was the first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed in the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the high side as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going there last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest daughter. $30+ for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the same age as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all these stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is expensive, she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be inexpensive soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was a great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height is from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will hit me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down to $6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to check out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts I have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to pick stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive. I have a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing shirt. I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely made for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105 pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short ... not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax just a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to relax, as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had someone the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not gonna happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big in the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower rise jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the waist is too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer* names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute capri's in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though, only ones in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true fit* or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???). The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a tad baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better than the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store and brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people saying things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all the other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried, Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little stretch in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the program and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink decision ...
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think both times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they may have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something to think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into those size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT ... don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being hugged.
G

Fight back with those other personalities of yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put a damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just have to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow, was THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at work is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Well, for justification, I was told new refrigerators are much more
efficient than anything sold 10 or more years ago. Cooking with gas
is just entirely different than electricity that I cannot believe that
I waited so many years to return to it.

Just one man's INVALUABLE opinion (G)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:25:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm the same way, can't justify replacing something that is still working ... no
matter how outdated it is or how bad I really would like a more current model.
Well, except for my computers. Those I have no trouble replacing early. G
Guess we all have our priorites. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:13:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and need to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced after three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I couldn't justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that, the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
. ..
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove, fridge, double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag carpeting and gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my *stuff* is white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless and was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a prior house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the prior house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was stainless. Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste* things. Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled walls, white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to wall (to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products on the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water spots and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a constant type of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway). What you think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and ajax/comet scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and bleach solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright white. After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles tend to go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to stainless steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't care for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love stainless steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from last week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+ total loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to keep going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I haven't heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that it fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a classic fit size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that the medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a new lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is deciding what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later today I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and getting home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather from WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on a few other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs to WW goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
started WW 22-Feb-2003 | 10% target: 1-May-2003
5'4" | 50 | F




Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

I dunno Joyce, it's prom season around the corner? You *do* have teens...

I love knowing who is owned by which company, etc. It's my hobby.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Well, I don't think I have any urgent need for formalwear or bridal
apparel. G
It appears we only have the higher end stores in our area then, I'm
assuming they
must also have lower end retail stores? I'm thinking there may be a
bloomingdales
in Oakbrook .. or maybe it was just talk of one at some time - don't
remember.
Lord and Taylor's is in Fox Valley. None of them hold any interest for
me, too
uppity. G

Thanks for the info. I do find it very interesting, who owns what.

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:13:00 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

Joyce,

I just did a search on the May's and Federated. Lord & Taylor's is a
May's
dept store as was Filene's Basement while here. They also recently
bought
Gingiss formalwear and own David's Bridal.

Macy's is Federated as is Bloomingdale's and I believe there is a
Bloomie's
in the city.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps are what
....
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running around in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the stores
selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store. Selling
it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they will only
be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No Federated or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of us will
see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and not
leather
.. I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not something any
of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do not
check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the items
way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just went to
a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into country
like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it was the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is leaing in a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into music
based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I am a
bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools. But it
comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs around.
So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had my heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt will do
unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most times, I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered with
them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process. I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for here at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We don't have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest stores, of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just pleather
and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought them when
they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of
band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a concert.
She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully
managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a local band
here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall Fields
....
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the *library*
(hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are selling off
the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their clothing - have
not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever purchased
from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was when I
would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as well as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here they
are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they are sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same thing
with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be *in
style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in our
area
...
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander in on
rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he was
shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a sweatshirt
at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so
evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have any work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm and Fleet
....
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic, prices are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current craze
(based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for Christmas).
That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need for the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays away
from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things that
K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that sells
the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable. The
Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special about it
and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them, since
she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any store
that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot Topic.
But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in there.
She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears, she
prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller ones. I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is extremely large
....
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one nearest me
is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a specialty shop.
g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items in the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the specialized
women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping in the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of levi's) and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is considered a
more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just looked at a
pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she is not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the best
prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they usually run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top price
end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is more of
a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ... jeans, t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into
*brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's during
last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the season
for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than K-mart/Wal-mart
which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may 3 racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back there for
a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could fit in to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion trends.
Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size 5),a
T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top Converse shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at all. It is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so that is
nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to shop and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes now, she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy skirt
there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I plan to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the
luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This was the
first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed in the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the high side
as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going there
last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest daughter. $30+
for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the same age
as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana
Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all these
stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is expensive,
she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type
shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be inexpensive
soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was a
great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you
probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height is
from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will hit me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down to $6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to check
out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts I
have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to pick
stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive. I have
a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing shirt. I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely made
for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105 pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short ... not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay
focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax just
a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to relax,
as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had someone
the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not gonna
happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big in the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of
carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and
probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower rise
jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the waist is
too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer* names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute capri's
in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though, only ones
in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true fit*
or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???). The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a tad
baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better than the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store and
brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people saying
things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all the
other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The
ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my
tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried, Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little stretch
in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the program and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to
yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink decision
....
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think both
times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they may
have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something to
think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into those
size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT ...
don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being
hugged.
G

Fight back with those other personalities of
yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put a
damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just have
to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow, was THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600, Prairie
Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight:
0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my
weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting
the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my
motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of
me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I
tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and
discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into
a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to
the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma
is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my
bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky.
The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at work is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining
is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003