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Old January 13th, 2008, 11:27 PM posted to alt.support.diet
Cynthia P[_2_]
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:59:56 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 12, 9:21*pm, "Elizabeth Blake"
wrote:
"Manco" wrote in message

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It's truly amazing but I thought up until recently that eggs were
"bad" because of the cholesterol. But in fact, I keep reading that
by themselves they have no detrimental effects unless consumed in
huge quantities. Amazing how society can get crazy about a notion
for such a long time. Now I'm going to incorporate eggs in my
diet(not just 2 a week).


While I use Egg Beaters most of the time, I really love hard boiled
eggs which you certainly can't make out of Egg Beaters. *They're a
great, portable, tasty protein snack. *I have Type 1 diabetes and a
hard boiled egg is a perfect snack if I don't want to take any
insulin to cover food. *I go through phases of eating them, since I
don't buy eggs too often. *When I do buy them I go through them
quickly, but then I don't buy any again for a couple of months.

--
Liz


Yes, eggs do taste great, especially the yolk. That may be a survival
thing though. If I were to list my all-time favorite foods, they would
all be very-high cal. People seem to be drawn to high-fat/high-cal
foods. Perhaps that is because for much of our existence, it was hard
to get enough food to survive, so we had to stoke up on the high cal
stuff and eat it fast because if we didn't, we might starve before our
next meal. Those times though are in the past, for most of us, and we
need to put those food preferences into perspective. Otherwise, those
survival instincts work to our disadvantage in the long run by helping
to cause overweight and unhealthy conditions. dkw



I agree with the survival part, but there's nothing wrong with healthy
high cal foods if used in moderation. The trick is to learn to be
happy with the more moderate amounts.

I'm not doing low carb or low fat, I'm more of a moderate person, but
if one was doing low carb, the egg yolk would not be a problem. And if
one is scared of too many saturated fats, omega3 eggs do cut back on
that, while supplying the good fats.

The yolk is not even a problem on low fat, as long as it's used in
moderation. There's good nutrition in the yolks.

Now, the funny part is, the yolk is actually the part I like LEAST! I
vastly prefer the taste of egg whites and always have, LOL! Likewise,
I don't like fatty meats at all. Never have.

I don't have trouble much with high cal healthy foods... I just keep
them moderate. It's the high cal processed foods like chips and candy
or high cal restaurant foods with hidden fats/sugars that are more the
problem for me.

For instance... a handful of raw almonds satisfies, but if I eat
salted roasted nuts, I always want more. So I stick with the raw.

--
Cynthia
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Old January 14th, 2008, 05:40 AM posted to alt.support.diet
Elizabeth Blake[_2_]
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"Cynthia P" wrote in message
. ..

I agree with the survival part, but there's nothing wrong with
healthy
high cal foods if used in moderation. The trick is to learn to be
happy with the more moderate amounts.


I think this is the part that the current population of Earth has
forgotten.

I'm not doing low carb or low fat, I'm more of a moderate person,
but
if one was doing low carb, the egg yolk would not be a problem. And
if
one is scared of too many saturated fats, omega3 eggs do cut back
on
that, while supplying the good fats.


A few years ago when I started to lose weight I did stick with very
low fat eating, and I did lose weight. I still watch my fat intake
but I don't automatically pass up food just because it has some fat.
My reason for trying to decrease my fat intake is because I can eat a
larger volume of food if I cut down on fat calories. But, I also
don't just want to eat buckets of green beans and broccoli either so
I do have fat but I watch the amounts.

I've never bought the omega 3 eggs but next time I get a craving for
hard boiled eggs I'll look for them.

--
Liz


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Old January 14th, 2008, 04:21 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message
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Troll or voice of reason?


You are not the voice of reason. Most of your posts are junk.


I think dkw represents a legitimate point of view, I just disagree with
almost all of it.


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Old January 14th, 2008, 07:22 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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Willow wrote:
They aren't that great unless you remove the yolk. Sure you can eat
them, but they are loaded with cholesterol. No nutritionists or doctor
I know says to eat a lot of egg yolk, although if you limit yourself
to a few a week and don't have a history of heart disease it may not
kill you. That is hardly an endorsement for eggs though. dkw


Mary responds:
Except that...genetics are the predominant factor in serum cholesteral
levels. Most of the rest comes from crappy diet and lifestyle, not
eating eggs - i.e. your basic North American thing - the high calorie,
high fat diets, without enough fruit/veg/fibre, no exercise etc. Most
epidemiological studies have shown little or no association between
egg intake and risk of coronary heart disease.
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Old January 14th, 2008, 07:33 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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"Cubit" wrote:
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote:
wrote:


Troll or voice of reason?


Let's see. Someone who thinks the fat in a single egg yolk is
toxic yet who eats dozens or hundreds of packets of artificial
sweetener each day. Definitely closer to troll than reason, but
the choice is not so binary. There's plenty of middle ground
between the two extremes.

You are not the voice of reason. *Most of your posts are junk.


I think dkw represents a legitimate point of view, I just disagree with
almost all of it.


Low carb groups get folks who think that if low is good lower must
be better so they do crazy stuff like all meat or zero carbs. Most
eventually stop posting because they won't sustain it.

DKW is no more extreme than any of those folks. He's the hardest
of hard core low fatters and he's consistant about it. His main
problem is the same as the cause of the current epidemic of
obesity - He writes like his way is the only correct way. Both low
fat and low carb work for certain people, neither is bad.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 04:36 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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Doug Freyburger wrote:

DKW is no more extreme than any of those folks. He's the hardest
of hard core low fatters and he's consistant about it. His main
problem is the same as the cause of the current epidemic of
obesity - He writes like his way is the only correct way. Both low
fat and low carb work for certain people, neither is bad.


Actually low-carb is the ONLY way long-term to keep the weight off and
everyone with any intelligence greater then a chimp KNOWS this.


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Old January 16th, 2008, 07:22 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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Manco wrote:
Actually low-carb is the ONLY way long-term to keep the weight off and
everyone with any intelligence greater then a chimp KNOWS this.


Mary responds:

I think the results from the National Weight Control Registry say
different (average weight loss 66 lb, kept off for 5.5 years). People
on the Registry (myself included) have these things in common:
They eat breakfast.
They exercise.
They weigh themselves regularly.
They eat a low calorie, low fat diet, which is actually relatively
high in carbs.

M.
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Old January 16th, 2008, 08:30 PM posted to alt.support.diet
Doug Freyburger
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wrote:
Manco wrote:

Actually low-carb is the ONLY way long-term to keep the weight off and
everyone with any intelligence greater then a chimp KNOWS this.


I laughed like a lunatic at the joke. Thanks.

I think the results from the National Weight Control Registry say
different (average weight loss 66 lb, kept off for 5.5 years). People
on the Registry (myself included) have these things in common:

They eat breakfast.


An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure - Keep hunger from
gradually eroding motivation.

They exercise.


Only the rare person has any down side to this major contributor
to health.

They weigh themselves regularly.


These data points should apply across the board. And also
since they are about maintenance whether they apply during
the loss phases is questionable: Weighing regularly tends to
be a point of obession among newbies but a point of matter
of fact among oldbies for example. Time on plan matters.

They eat a low calorie, low fat diet, which is actually relatively
high in carbs.


This was caused by a bias in their questionaire. I don't know if it
is
still the case but for years there was literally no way to inform them
that you used low carb. I knew some low carbers who registered
and did their best but ended up being falsely listed as low fatters,
and I knew some (including myself) who read their questionaire
and declined because we couldn't say we were low carbers. Even
if they now can get low carb answers, their prior bias filtered out
a lot of potential registrants.

They dropped all data from low carbers therefore their conclusions
about low fat are not of value. Sure, some folks use low fat to
lose and maintain; it's as crazy to say low fat works for no one as
to say it works for everyone. But dropping all data from low carbers
and then concluding that successfull maintenance requires low fat
is a nonsense conclusion.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 02:12 AM posted to alt.support.diet
Rachael Reynolds
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"Manco" wrote in message
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Doug Freyburger wrote:

DKW is no more extreme than any of those folks. He's the hardest
of hard core low fatters and he's consistant about it. His main
problem is the same as the cause of the current epidemic of
obesity - He writes like his way is the only correct way. Both low
fat and low carb work for certain people, neither is bad.


Actually low-carb is the ONLY way long-term to keep the weight off and
everyone with any intelligence greater then a chimp KNOWS this.

Must be a chimp then. Lost 76lb and have kept it off for 3 years come
February and would never dream of cutting out food groups to the extent you
or DKW do.

Rachael



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Old January 17th, 2008, 02:17 AM posted to alt.support.diet
Rachael Reynolds
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"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Manco wrote:

Actually low-carb is the ONLY way long-term to keep the weight off and
everyone with any intelligence greater then a chimp KNOWS this.


I laughed like a lunatic at the joke. Thanks.

I think the results from the National Weight Control Registry say
different (average weight loss 66 lb, kept off for 5.5 years). People
on the Registry (myself included) have these things in common:

They eat breakfast.


An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure - Keep hunger from
gradually eroding motivation.

They exercise.


Only the rare person has any down side to this major contributor
to health.

They weigh themselves regularly.


These data points should apply across the board. And also
since they are about maintenance whether they apply during
the loss phases is questionable: Weighing regularly tends to
be a point of obession among newbies but a point of matter
of fact among oldbies for example. Time on plan matters.

They eat a low calorie, low fat diet, which is actually relatively
high in carbs.


This was caused by a bias in their questionaire. I don't know if it
is
still the case but for years there was literally no way to inform them
that you used low carb. I knew some low carbers who registered
and did their best but ended up being falsely listed as low fatters,
and I knew some (including myself) who read their questionaire
and declined because we couldn't say we were low carbers. Even
if they now can get low carb answers, their prior bias filtered out
a lot of potential registrants.

They dropped all data from low carbers therefore their conclusions
about low fat are not of value. Sure, some folks use low fat to
lose and maintain; it's as crazy to say low fat works for no one as
to say it works for everyone. But dropping all data from low carbers
and then concluding that successfull maintenance requires low fat
is a nonsense conclusion.


I filled in the forms and can't remember if it was biased or not but the
main problem is it is a self selecting sample. They themselves don't claim
it to be otherwise but the results when used out of context can imply it is
a scientific study.

Rachael


 




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