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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:25:27 -0400, jmk wrote:
Agreed. FWIW, I weigh daily. As an aside, this has helped me a lot this summer. I've been riding my bike a lot and as a result my hydration status has been flucuating a lot lately so the daily swings in my weight on the scale has been a lot larger than I was used to seeing. I check the graph every now and then to confirm what I already know (my clothing fits fine, etc.) but it's nice to see it on the screen. Interesting. I have pretty much taken to weighing just weekly -- sometimes less. I weighed most days during the course of weight loss, but since I just do it at the gym (don't have a scale at home) it takes a little extra effort so I no longer do it every time I'm there, and I also tend to just not think of it, since I'm not actively focused on losing. I go by how my clothes fit. Last time I weighed myself was Saturday (since I didn't go in on Sunday, my usual weigh-in day), and I was at 134, after a rather large dinner the night before. It was about what I'd have guessed. I can usually guess what I'll weigh within 1-2 pounds. Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:41:53 GMT, Ignoramus23305
wrote: On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:31:33 GMT, Chris Braun wrote: On 16 Aug 2005 07:37:25 -0700, "Doug Freyburger" wrote: Chris and Beverly both mentioned roll your own. Both experienced and well-read folks years into their process. Neither newbies. Well, we were both newbies once. I was a newbie three years ago, and began with a "roll my own" plan. After two years of weight loss and one year of maintenance, I'm still doing much the same thing. I do think it's possible to approach a "roll your own" diet in an intelligent way. Not everyone approaches it from a position of ignorance, you know. Successful dieting is much easier conceptually than, say, electrical design or boiler repair. The nice thing about dieting is that, given enough motivation, simply eating less reliably produces weight loss. So, complete newbies can lose weight if they simply eat less. When I started dieting, I knew next to nothing about nutrition etc. I simply started eating less, and walked, and did not eat certain obviously not so good things. That worked just fine. Piggybacking on another post of yours about feeling like being in an alien body, after almost two years, I no longer feel that way. I got almost fully used to it. Well, I've only been at my current weight for about a year. And it's a bigger change for me -- half my weight. And I spent a lot longer being heavy, since I'm much older than you. So it may take me longer. It's not just appearance -- though I'm still startled sometimes when I look in the mirror -- but the huge changes in the way my body works -- my desire to be physically active, my muscularity and strength, my energy levels, my seemingly much more active metabolism, etc. It's a lot to get used to :-). Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 |
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"Ignoramus23305" wrote in message ... On 16 Aug 2005 14:48:04 -0700, Doug Freyburger wrote: Ignoramus23305 wrote: There is no reason why a person cannot experience emotions (such as upset or celebration), and yet act rationally and not stupidly. There is a cliche "Courage is not lack of fear. Lack of fear is rashness. Courage is having fear and acting anyways." My correlary that applies to diet is "Patience is not lack of frustration. Lack of frustration could be anything from ignorance through nirvana. Patience is being frustrated and continuing on-plan anyways." Very well put. Many folks think I'm extremely patient. I stick to stuff year after year. Don't think I'm not frustrated often. No, I just ask myself what the alternatives are. Would I rather keep chugging through my frustration, or would I rather quit and gain to more than when i started? I know what happens to folks who quit. They come back a few years later bigger than when they first started or they never come back. I'd rather be frustrated thanx. Yes. I would rather be "anal" (as Annie put it) and "frustrated" (due to setting ambitious goals) than fat. You say that as if they are mutually exclusive as in one can only be anal *or* fat. One can be anal without being condescending. One can also be anal and plump, anal and fat, anal and a decent human being. Take your choice. -- the volleyballchick knows plenty of anal people that don't need to be as much of an abrasive ass |
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Chris Braun wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote: Chris and Beverly both mentioned roll your own. Both experienced and well-read folks years into their process. Neither newbies. Well, we were both newbies once. I was a newbie three years ago, and began with a "roll my own" plan. After two years of weight loss and one year of maintenance, I'm still doing much the same thing. I do think it's possible to approach a "roll your own" diet in an intelligent way. Not everyone approaches it from a position of ignorance, you know. Chances and difficulty. How many folks several years in started on a roll your own versus how many started day one on a roll your own? How many folks several years in started on a published plan (with or without switching to roll your own more than a year in) versus how many started day one on a published plan? I don't have those numbers but those numbers would give the better strategy. If one gave 1% and the other gave 2% that would say one of the above is twice as sucessfull. Not having even counted posts on this, I can only guess. My guess is that early on folks following a published plan do better. Having a small number of counter examples does little to determine a trend. |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:17:41 GMT, Ignoramus4384
wrote: On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:51:03 GMT, Chris Braun wrote: On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:41:53 GMT, Ignoramus23305 wrote: On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:31:33 GMT, Chris Braun wrote: On 16 Aug 2005 07:37:25 -0700, "Doug Freyburger" wrote: Chris and Beverly both mentioned roll your own. Both experienced and well-read folks years into their process. Neither newbies. Well, we were both newbies once. I was a newbie three years ago, and began with a "roll my own" plan. After two years of weight loss and one year of maintenance, I'm still doing much the same thing. I do think it's possible to approach a "roll your own" diet in an intelligent way. Not everyone approaches it from a position of ignorance, you know. Successful dieting is much easier conceptually than, say, electrical design or boiler repair. The nice thing about dieting is that, given enough motivation, simply eating less reliably produces weight loss. So, complete newbies can lose weight if they simply eat less. When I started dieting, I knew next to nothing about nutrition etc. I simply started eating less, and walked, and did not eat certain obviously not so good things. That worked just fine. Piggybacking on another post of yours about feeling like being in an alien body, after almost two years, I no longer feel that way. I got almost fully used to it. Well, I've only been at my current weight for about a year. And it's a bigger change for me -- half my weight. And I spent a lot longer being heavy, since I'm much older than you. So it may take me longer. It's not just appearance -- though I'm still startled sometimes when I look in the mirror -- but the huge changes in the way my body works -- my desire to be physically active, my muscularity and strength, my energy levels, my seemingly much more active metabolism, etc. It's a lot to get used to :-). It is, indeed, a lot. Being released from prison probably feels similar. Well, this sort of sounds like being fat is like being in prison. And I suppose in some sense there's a similarity, but actually being fat never made me unhappy at all. I was perfectly happy being fat -- had a good job, a loving husband, good friends, fun things to do. I seldom thought about being fat. Until I got to be thin I didn't know how much I'd like it :-). Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 |
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On 17 Aug 2005 09:52:13 -0700, "Doug Freyburger"
wrote: Chris Braun wrote: Doug Freyburger wrote: Chris and Beverly both mentioned roll your own. Both experienced and well-read folks years into their process. Neither newbies. Well, we were both newbies once. I was a newbie three years ago, and began with a "roll my own" plan. After two years of weight loss and one year of maintenance, I'm still doing much the same thing. I do think it's possible to approach a "roll your own" diet in an intelligent way. Not everyone approaches it from a position of ignorance, you know. Chances and difficulty. How many folks several years in started on a roll your own versus how many started day one on a roll your own? How many folks several years in started on a published plan (with or without switching to roll your own more than a year in) versus how many started day one on a published plan? I don't have those numbers but those numbers would give the better strategy. If one gave 1% and the other gave 2% that would say one of the above is twice as sucessfull. Not having even counted posts on this, I can only guess. My guess is that early on folks following a published plan do better. Having a small number of counter examples does little to determine a trend. True, certainly but neither does your guess, which as far as I can tell is just based on personal preference. My instinct would be the opposite, but no doubt that's based on my own preference. I'm kind of inclined to feel, though, that those who take responsibility for defining their own diet are likely to end up with an approach better suited to their tastes and lifestyle, and hence one they are more likely to stick with forever. My instinct is also that recidivism would be higher with diets that largely rule out particular food types, but clearly that isn't everyone's experience. Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:19:53 GMT, Ignoramus4384
wrote: Well, this sort of sounds like being fat is like being in prison. And I suppose in some sense there's a similarity, but actually being fat never made me unhappy at all. I was perfectly happy being fat -- had a good job, a loving husband, good friends, fun things to do. I seldom thought about being fat. Until I got to be thin I didn't know how much I'd like it :-). Interesting. Myself, I did not like being fat, but I did not realize just how much I was missing, until I lost weight. Let's say that, miraculously, one day you woke up at 262 lbs again. Would that make you upset, now that you know what it is like to be slim? I suspect that you would become quite upset. Well, sure, now that I know I prefer being slim. However, I'd probably be most upset because it happened without me knowing why. I don't like things I don't understand :-). And that would make me concerned that I couldn't lose it again. But I would start the same day eating and exercising as I do now with hope that I would eventually achieve the same result. (Sounds kind of like Ground Hog Day, though; I'm imagining waking up every morning fat all over again!) Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 |
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"Chris Braun" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:19:53 GMT, Ignoramus4384 wrote: Well, this sort of sounds like being fat is like being in prison. And I suppose in some sense there's a similarity, but actually being fat never made me unhappy at all. I was perfectly happy being fat -- had a good job, a loving husband, good friends, fun things to do. I seldom thought about being fat. Until I got to be thin I didn't know how much I'd like it :-). Interesting. Myself, I did not like being fat, but I did not realize just how much I was missing, until I lost weight. Let's say that, miraculously, one day you woke up at 262 lbs again. Would that make you upset, now that you know what it is like to be slim? I suspect that you would become quite upset. Well, sure, now that I know I prefer being slim. However, I'd probably be most upset because it happened without me knowing why. I don't like things I don't understand :-). And that would make me concerned that I couldn't lose it again. But I would start the same day eating and exercising as I do now with hope that I would eventually achieve the same result. That's pretty much what I did when I had those sudden weight gains. I decided to just get back to work on things. I think that in the past that was one of the things that lead to me always gaining back all of the weight I'd lose was the loss of hope and feeling out of control from the gains due to the medical problems. BTW, I was also not miserable when I was fat. I was always somewhat active and my health was good. I never lacked for friends, dates, or eventually a loving husband and good marriage. I was extremely successful in my career pursuits and accomplished a lot on a personal level. It is highly unlikely that I will be tiny again (like I was for all of about 10 minutes) with too many things that get in the way, but that doesn't mean I can't be happy and healthy at a slightly higher than "normal" weight. Happiness comes from a lot of sources besides a number on a scale. -- the volleyballchick |
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In article ,
Chris Braun wrote: It's a lot to get used to :-). Indoor work, no heavy lifting! I am still considering the "tweak" idea instead of the all-or-nothing approach (which clearly doesn't work for me). One poster mentioned that people on a controlled diet system thought about food all the time. I sort of think, I think about food all the time, too. But that hasn't worked for me to eat right. I consider eating right/less to be a no-brainer, but my problem is eating outside those simple parameters from stress, boredom, etc. I haven't gained any weight in the last ten years, but haven't lost the extra 80 lbs. I've gathered in the past 20, either. So much is in the head... Ilene B |
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Chris Braun wrote: But I would start the same day eating and exercising as I do now with hope that I would eventually achieve the same result. A co-worker of mine had a highest weight around 300 lbs. She got gastric bypass surgery 1 1/2 years ago, and reportedly went from about 275 to 175. I just saw her after a long time, and she looked well. I asked her how it felt to be a health(ier) weight, after stuggling for so many years with weight and food, etc. She said she's been "eating too much" and fears gaining it back. She said kind of sadly that she likes being able to breathe better, but that she feels she's eating in the same mindset that got her fat, but just can't do it as fast or as much. I think she might gain it back if she can't get her mindset in healthy order. I've heard from some people that the surgery changes body chemistry/hormones/something so they no longer want to binge eat or eat "badly." I'm sure it's true for them, but apparently not universally. Ilene B 'holding steady at 222" |
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