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On 4 Feb 2004 04:33:43 -0000, Lynn McAfee wrote:

Hi

I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by a
branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to
talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused
by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how
expensive we are to the economy and how we're all going to die slow
and expensive deaths.

I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in the
last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat publicity.
Of course, their names would not be used. I'm interested in anybody
who was turned down for a job because of health/insurance concerns,
anything painful that happened to a fat child, nasty remarks, etc.

Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who wants
to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email with
their number and I'll call them at their convenience. I really need
some
back-up on this because without specifics I'll be ignored.

Thanks so much!

Lynn McAfee
Director, Medical Advocacy
Council on Size & Weight Discrimination

www.cswd.org


Wow! Lots of idiots jumped on this thread, didn't they?

Hello. You may want to take a look at my post called "The idiot FAQ"
posted elsewhere in SSFA. It Partially Chronicles my battle with the
idiots in this group. I committed the crime of saying that fat people
should not be ridiculed and have been a target ever sense. I don't
mind really but the idiots hurt a lot of other people who are more
timid than myself.

I do not use remailers and I sign my posts with PGP.

If you would like to discuss further-you may want to contact me off
line. My email works.

thanks

LV

Remove "intel" from address to reply

Lady Veteran
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when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
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On 3-Feb-2004, Lynn McAfee wrote:

I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by a
branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to
talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused
by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how
expensive we
are to the economy and how we're all going to die slow and expensive
deaths.

Snip

WHY did you insist on crossposting to the array of groups you did as
opposed to multiposting? Any posts that you crosspost to a fat
acceptance group and a diet group will almost certainly result in a
flame war. In future please post to each group separately.

Yes, I know this reply is crossposted. Unfortunately since the
reason for the crossposting may have been to save the poster a few
minutes and a mouse click or three it was unavoidable.

Carmen
ASDLC

Ignoramus16237 wrote:

In article , Lynn McAfee wrote:
Hi

I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by a
branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to
talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the
"war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we
are to the economy and how we're all going to die slow and expensive
deaths.

I would start with refutation of a supposition that fat people are
expensive to the economy.

I agree. Anyone with any health issue is going to cost a bit
more. The problem of being overweight is quite a controllable
one, too. The problem is, fat people have had diets shoved down
their throats for so long and told they are somehow less of a human,
that many people simply have their ears shut and minds closed, and
I don't blame them. I was one of those.

However, being a "burden" on society is no excuse for the outright
cruelty of which I've seen a fair number of fat people be the
recipients.

The decision to give one's lifestyle a complete makeover is not an
easy one, but it is a possible one. I've lost over 70 pounds in the
last two years despite having hypothyroidism, so I don't have the
excuse of my glands anymore. And I did not take extreme measures
to accomplish this. My weight loss was (initially) purely accidental,
based on changing my WOE for *health reasons only*. I figured
since I had a head start, I may as well keep on going.

CM

"marengo" wrote:

"Lynn McAfee" wrote in message
. ..
| Hi
|
| I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by a
| branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to
| talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the
| "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we
| are to the economy and how we're all going to die slow and expensive
| deaths.

| Lynn McAfee
| Director, Medical Advocacy
| Council on Size & Weight Discrimination
|
| www.cswd.org
|
We *are* expensive and probably *will* die slow and expensive deaths if we
don't lose weight.
snip
Discrimination agains size or weight is not the same as discrimination
against race or sex -- as much as we'd love to pass the blame for our
obesity onto society.

Women are also expensive to society & corporations. WOmen are capable
of being pregnant and cost companies in not only additional medical
care that would not be applied to a singular male but also must
swallow the impact of lost weeks of work continuity and short staffing
caused by maternity leave. SO based on this somewhat warpeded form of
logic--if you blame everything about a person's body and the resultant
costs on that person and society accepts no responsibility whatsoever,
women can't complain about being discriminated against in the
workplace, since no one forces them to get pregnant and create a
medical condition that will be expensive and incur costs on a business
and their insurance carrier (which is a large part of the concept that
fat people are expensive)

Discrimination against obese is no different than discriminating
against ugly or handicapped or race or sex or smoking.

Quit whining and take some personal responsibility for
your obesity as the rest of us are doing. Except for the very, very rare
cases of genuine hormonal imbalances, we all have a measure of control over
our weight, and what we put in our mouths. Let's be honest here.


DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

Lynn McAfee wrote in message .. .
Hi

I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by a
branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to
talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the
"war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we
are to the economy and how we're all going to die slow and expensive
deaths.

I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in the
last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat publicity. Of
course, their names would not be used. I'm interested in anybody who was
turned down for a job because of health/insurance concerns, anything
painful that happened to a fat child, nasty remarks, etc.

Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who wants
to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email with their
number and I'll call them at their convenience. I really need some
back-up on this because without specifics I'll be ignored.

Thanks so much!

Lynn McAfee
Director, Medical Advocacy
Council on Size & Weight Discrimination

www.cswd.org

So you are content to just pig out and get fatter and allow your kids
to be fat and that is OK with you? It's been proven that fat people
run health risks just by being fat and thus raise all of our
collective insurance rates. I don't have any problem with a fat person
who is at least trying to diet and exercise, but don't blame you
laziness or lack of willpower on your genes or think that everyone has
to agree that there is nothing wrong with you or your children being
clinically obese.

I would expect that on balance, obesity is nearly costless to the
non-obese people.

I think you'd be wrong but like you I can't be bothered to look up the
statistics.

Or have you looked up the statistics in which case please share.

Ray
--
rmnsuk
overall - 273/203/182

On 4 Feb 2004 14:32:16 GMT, Lady Veteran , wrote:

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On 4 Feb 2004 04:33:43 -0000, Lynn McAfee wrote:

Hi

I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by a
branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to
talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused
by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how
expensive we are to the economy and how we're all going to die slow
and expensive deaths.

I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in the
last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat publicity.
Of course, their names would not be used. I'm interested in anybody
who was turned down for a job because of health/insurance concerns,
anything painful that happened to a fat child, nasty remarks, etc.

Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who wants
to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email with
their number and I'll call them at their convenience. I really need
some
back-up on this because without specifics I'll be ignored.

Thanks so much!

Lynn McAfee
Director, Medical Advocacy
Council on Size & Weight Discrimination

www.cswd.org


Wow! Lots of idiots jumped on this thread, didn't they?

Just one that I see.


Hello. You may want to take a look at my post called "The idiot FAQ"
posted elsewhere in SSFA.

Nobody wants to read any more of your idiocy than they have to, troll.

It Partially Chronicles my battle with the
idiots in this group.

You mean the four year spanking you've received for running a virtual
"****wit" bot?

I committed the crime of saying that fat people
should not be ridiculed and have been a target ever sense.

No. You've been a target because you've a repulsive, rude and
incredibly stupid human being who's addicted to feeding the trolls.

I don't
mind really but the idiots hurt a lot of other people who are more
timid than myself.

A touch of humility might improve your rabid cave-man appearance.


I do not use remailers and I sign my posts with PGP.


Jeez, you'd think someone gave a tiny **** and asked you to fart about
yourself for 50 lines.

If you would like to discuss further-you may want to contact me off
line. My email works.

Bobbi, cruise for dates elsewhere. You're making us sick.

Spinach

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:41:22 -0400, Crafting Mom
, wrote:

Ignoramus16237 wrote:

In article , Lynn McAfee wrote:
Hi

I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by a
branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to
talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the
"war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we
are to the economy and how we're all going to die slow and expensive
deaths.

I would start with refutation of a supposition that fat people are
expensive to the economy.

I agree. Anyone with any health issue is going to cost a bit
more. The problem of being overweight is quite a controllable
one, too. The problem is, fat people have had diets shoved down
their throats for so long and told they are somehow less of a human,
that many people simply have their ears shut and minds closed, and
I don't blame them. I was one of those.

However, being a "burden" on society is no excuse for the outright
cruelty of which I've seen a fair number of fat people be the
recipients.

The decision to give one's lifestyle a complete makeover is not an
easy one, but it is a possible one. I've lost over 70 pounds in the
last two years despite having hypothyroidism, so I don't have the
excuse of my glands anymore. And I did not take extreme measures
to accomplish this. My weight loss was (initially) purely accidental,
based on changing my WOE for *health reasons only*. I figured
since I had a head start, I may as well keep on going.

CM

The NAAFA wept.

Spinach

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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:57:35 GMT, Spinach
wrote:

On 4 Feb 2004 14:32:16 GMT, Lady Veteran ,
wrote:

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On 4 Feb 2004 04:33:43 -0000, Lynn McAfee wrote:

Hi

I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by a
branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want
to talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being
caused by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about
how
expensive we are to the economy and how we're all going to die
slow and expensive deaths.

I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in
the
last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat publicity.
Of course, their names would not be used. I'm interested in
anybody who was turned down for a job because of health/insurance
concerns, anything painful that happened to a fat child, nasty
remarks, etc.

Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who
wants to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email
with their number and I'll call them at their convenience. I
really need some
back-up on this because without specifics I'll be ignored.

Thanks so much!

Lynn McAfee
Director, Medical Advocacy
Council on Size & Weight Discrimination

www.cswd.org


Wow! Lots of idiots jumped on this thread, didn't they?

Just one that I see.


Hello. You may want to take a look at my post called "The idiot
FAQ" posted elsewhere in SSFA.

Nobody wants to read any more of your idiocy than they have to,
troll.

It Partially Chronicles my battle with the
idiots in this group.

You mean the four year spanking you've received for running a
virtual "****wit" bot?

I committed the crime of saying that fat people
should not be ridiculed and have been a target ever sense.

No. You've been a target because you've a repulsive, rude and
incredibly stupid human being who's addicted to feeding the trolls.

I don't
mind really but the idiots hurt a lot of other people who are more
timid than myself.

A touch of humility might improve your rabid cave-man appearance.


I do not use remailers and I sign my posts with PGP.


Jeez, you'd think someone gave a tiny **** and asked you to fart
about yourself for 50 lines.

If you would like to discuss further-you may want to contact me off
line. My email works.

Bobbi, cruise for dates elsewhere. You're making us sick.

Spinach


I rest my case. Thanks for proving my point. Could this cros-post
list get any longer?

LV

Remove "intel" from address to reply

Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:01:52 GMT, Spinach
wrote:

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:41:22 -0400, Crafting Mom
, wrote:

Ignoramus16237 wrote:

In article , Lynn
McAfee wrote:
Hi

I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by
a branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I
want to talk to them about the social problems/discrimination
being caused by the "war on obesity" and all the recent
publicity about how expensive we are to the economy and how
we're all going to die slow and expensive deaths.

I would start with refutation of a supposition that fat people
are expensive to the economy.

I agree. Anyone with any health issue is going to cost a bit
more. The problem of being overweight is quite a controllable
one, too. The problem is, fat people have had diets shoved down
their throats for so long and told they are somehow less of a
human, that many people simply have their ears shut and minds
closed, and I don't blame them. I was one of those.

However, being a "burden" on society is no excuse for the outright
cruelty of which I've seen a fair number of fat people be the
recipients.

The decision to give one's lifestyle a complete makeover is not an
easy one, but it is a possible one. I've lost over 70 pounds in
the last two years despite having hypothyroidism, so I don't have
the
excuse of my glands anymore. And I did not take extreme measures
to accomplish this. My weight loss was (initially) purely
accidental, based on changing my WOE for *health reasons only*. I
figured
since I had a head start, I may as well keep on going.

CM

The NAAFA wept.

Spinach


No. She is doing great because she is losing weight for HERSELF and
not for idiots like you.

That decision is self realizing and comes from deep within a person.
If you think that you and your fellow sperm cells have anything to do
with that you are delusional.

LV
Remove "intel" from address to reply

Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
- ---------------------------------------------


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