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On 4 Feb 2004 08:24:32 -0800, (billydee)
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Lynn McAfee wrote in message
. ..
Hi

I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by a
branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want
to talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being
caused by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about
how expensive we are to the economy and how we're all going to
die slow and expensive deaths.

I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in
the last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat
publicity. Of course, their names would not be used. I'm
interested in anybody who was turned down for a job because of
health/insurance concerns, anything painful that happened to a
fat child, nasty remarks, etc.

Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who
wants to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email
with their number and I'll call them at their convenience. I
really need some back-up on this because without specifics I'll
be ignored.

Thanks so much!

Lynn McAfee
Director, Medical Advocacy
Council on Size & Weight Discrimination

www.cswd.org

So you are content to just pig out and get fatter and allow your
kids to be fat and that is OK with you? It's been proven that fat
people
run health risks just by being fat and thus raise all of our
collective insurance rates. I don't have any problem with a fat
person who is at least trying to diet and exercise, but don't blame
you
laziness or lack of willpower on your genes or think that everyone
has to agree that there is nothing wrong with you or your children
being clinically obese.

If has also been proven that idiots like yourself are cowards in real
life. You don't have to agree. All you have to open that steel trap
mind of yours and realize that life comes in all sizes and that all
sizes have a right to it.

LV

Remove "intel" from address to reply

Lady Veteran
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On 4 Feb 2004 17:28:02 GMT, Lady Veteran , wrote:

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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:57:35 GMT, Spinach
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On 4 Feb 2004 14:32:16 GMT, Lady Veteran ,
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On 4 Feb 2004 04:33:43 -0000, Lynn McAfee wrote:

Hi

I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by a
branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want
to talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being
caused by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about
how
expensive we are to the economy and how we're all going to die
slow and expensive deaths.

I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in
the
last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat publicity.
Of course, their names would not be used. I'm interested in
anybody who was turned down for a job because of health/insurance
concerns, anything painful that happened to a fat child, nasty
remarks, etc.

Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who
wants to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email
with their number and I'll call them at their convenience. I
really need some
back-up on this because without specifics I'll be ignored.

Thanks so much!

Lynn McAfee
Director, Medical Advocacy
Council on Size & Weight Discrimination

www.cswd.org


Wow! Lots of idiots jumped on this thread, didn't they?

Just one that I see.


Hello. You may want to take a look at my post called "The idiot
FAQ" posted elsewhere in SSFA.

Nobody wants to read any more of your idiocy than they have to,
troll.

It Partially Chronicles my battle with the
idiots in this group.

You mean the four year spanking you've received for running a
virtual "****wit" bot?

I committed the crime of saying that fat people
should not be ridiculed and have been a target ever sense.

No. You've been a target because you've a repulsive, rude and
incredibly stupid human being who's addicted to feeding the trolls.

I don't
mind really but the idiots hurt a lot of other people who are more
timid than myself.

A touch of humility might improve your rabid cave-man appearance.


I do not use remailers and I sign my posts with PGP.


Jeez, you'd think someone gave a tiny **** and asked you to fart
about yourself for 50 lines.

If you would like to discuss further-you may want to contact me off
line. My email works.

Bobbi, cruise for dates elsewhere. You're making us sick.

Spinach


I rest my case. Thanks for proving my point.

You proved all my points. Incredibly stupid? YES! totally illiterate?
YES! Addicted to replying to trolls? YES YES YES! Feed them Bobbi.
Dance when we command it. Good moron.

Could this cros-post
list get any longer?

YES. thanks for the suggestion, troll.

Spinach


LV

Remove "intel" from address to reply

Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
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On 4 Feb 2004 17:31:47 GMT, Lady Veteran , wrote:

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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:01:52 GMT, Spinach
wrote:

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:41:22 -0400, Crafting Mom
, wrote:

Ignoramus16237 wrote:

In article , Lynn
McAfee wrote:
Hi

I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by
a branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I
want to talk to them about the social problems/discrimination
being caused by the "war on obesity" and all the recent
publicity about how expensive we are to the economy and how
we're all going to die slow and expensive deaths.

I would start with refutation of a supposition that fat people
are expensive to the economy.

I agree. Anyone with any health issue is going to cost a bit
more. The problem of being overweight is quite a controllable
one, too. The problem is, fat people have had diets shoved down
their throats for so long and told they are somehow less of a
human, that many people simply have their ears shut and minds
closed, and I don't blame them. I was one of those.

However, being a "burden" on society is no excuse for the outright
cruelty of which I've seen a fair number of fat people be the
recipients.

The decision to give one's lifestyle a complete makeover is not an
easy one, but it is a possible one. I've lost over 70 pounds in
the last two years despite having hypothyroidism, so I don't have
the
excuse of my glands anymore. And I did not take extreme measures
to accomplish this. My weight loss was (initially) purely
accidental, based on changing my WOE for *health reasons only*. I
figured
since I had a head start, I may as well keep on going.

CM

The NAAFA wept.

Spinach


No. She is doing great because she is losing weight for HERSELF and
not for idiots like you.

I don't understand how anyone too stupid to comprehend most all posts
on usenet can function in RL. Oh wait, you can't. I forgot.


That decision is self realizing and comes from deep within a person.
If you think that you and your fellow sperm cells have anything to do
with that you are delusional.

What thread were you just reading, idiot? She admitted that
hypothyroidism was no excuse for not losing weight. Major spnak on the
fat acceptors.

She did do it on her own. She single handedly slapped the FA movement
across the face by endorsing everything they refuse to believe.

She SHOULD be commended for having the stones to admit weight loss is
possible for EVERYONE. Kudos to her for proving it's a matter of self
control and determination.

Kudos to you for highlighting it even further by having no clue what
you read. LOL!

You can hang your head and shut down the computer now, dumbass.

Spinach

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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004, DigitalVinyl wrote:

Discrimination against obese is no different than discriminating
against ugly or handicapped or race or sex or smoking.

There is a difference. With regards to obesity and smoking, it's
discernment, not discrimination.

hth

NR

http://www.pat-acceptance.org/kookrant.html
http://www.pat-acceptance.org/kookrant2.html

If I catch you busting into a mass and vilifying a church, the last thing
you'll hear in your entire life, will be the ratatatatat of an automatic.
- --Steve Chaney to Mark Ira Kaufman
Message-ID:

Young Mr. Chaney, the man who has told me that he wants to murder me and
sodomize women in my family, has said, repeatedly, that advocates for
choice had vandalized churches.
- --Mark Ira Kaufman
Message-ID:

she probably has to have her picture taken by satellite because no normal
camera can fit all that whale blubber into one picture.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID:

Excessively fat women look ugly. It is impractical to try and have sex when
she's 100lbs overweight and the weight is all fat - but most women ain't
that big.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID:

You of course do know what a lot of Asian women prefer, right? Besides,
after ****ing a cute asian chick, experience tells me it isn't all that
except that she looks good on your arm. In bed it ain't much at all. If the
lights go out, any guy whose hormones are more fixed on performance than
looks, is going to go to sleep right there and then.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID:

Clarice and Allisson were well beyond a BMI of 25 in their pictures where
they were called cows.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID:

If Dutton knocked on Steve's door and Steve shot him in the face, I would
really not care.
- --Crash Street Kidd about Steve Chaney
Message-ID:

Stephen A Chaney admits to sodomizing his daughter if he forges me now.



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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004, "TavliGal" oinked:

SNIP
Started 01/20/04
362/343/250

250 is your goal weight?!?!?! Is that pounds or kilograms?

Not very ambitious, are you?

NR

http://www.pat-acceptance.org/kookrant.html
http://www.pat-acceptance.org/kookrant2.html

If I catch you busting into a mass and vilifying a church, the last thing
you'll hear in your entire life, will be the ratatatatat of an automatic.
- --Steve Chaney to Mark Ira Kaufman
Message-ID:

Young Mr. Chaney, the man who has told me that he wants to murder me and
sodomize women in my family, has said, repeatedly, that advocates for
choice had vandalized churches.
- --Mark Ira Kaufman
Message-ID:

she probably has to have her picture taken by satellite because no normal
camera can fit all that whale blubber into one picture.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID:

Excessively fat women look ugly. It is impractical to try and have sex when
she's 100lbs overweight and the weight is all fat - but most women ain't
that big.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID:

You of course do know what a lot of Asian women prefer, right? Besides,
after ****ing a cute asian chick, experience tells me it isn't all that
except that she looks good on your arm. In bed it ain't much at all. If the
lights go out, any guy whose hormones are more fixed on performance than
looks, is going to go to sleep right there and then.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID:

Clarice and Allisson were well beyond a BMI of 25 in their pictures where
they were called cows.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID:

If Dutton knocked on Steve's door and Steve shot him in the face, I would
really not care.
- --Crash Street Kidd about Steve Chaney
Message-ID:

Stephen A Chaney admits to sodomizing his daughter if he forges me now.


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"NR" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004, "TavliGal" oinked:

SNIP
Started 01/20/04
362/343/250

250 is your goal weight?!?!?! Is that pounds or kilograms?

Not very ambitious, are you?


Good call.

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:03:05 GMT, DigitalVinyl wrote:

"Roger Zoul" wrote:

DoughBoy wrote:
::: Fat Acceptor: Age: Cause:
:::
::: Susan Mason 47 Unknown
::: Joy Hilbert 40 Post Operative Complications
::: Barb Colgin Vance Unknown Unknown
::: Leslie Dimaggio 60 Cancer
::: Ray Simpson 57 Diabetes
::: Rich Reynolds 40 Unknown
::: Lenore Levine 53-54 Ovarian Cancer
::: Deanna Warren early 30's Natural Causes (According to NAAFA!)
:::
::: Fat acceptance kills.
::
:: That is a wonderful post. Very poignant.

What's so wonderful and poignant about this post?

I'm not sure either. 3 have unknown causes of death, 2 cancer (I guess
being fat causes cancer too), one is diabetes and the other is
surgical. I guess a bunch of names strung together with younger ages
of death is "poignant".

I wonder if we collect a bunch of names of people who died doing
stupid things we can have a "Stupidity kills" post.

We should, and it should include the fat acceptors.

Fat acceptance kills.

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:24:26 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
wrote:

DoughBoy wrote:
:::: DoughBoy wrote:
::::::: Fat Acceptor: Age: Cause:
:::::::
::::::: Susan Mason 47 Unknown
::::::: Joy Hilbert 40 Post Operative Complications
::::::: Barb Colgin Vance Unknown Unknown
::::::: Leslie Dimaggio 60 Cancer
::::::: Ray Simpson 57 Diabetes
::::::: Rich Reynolds 40 Unknown
::::::: Lenore Levine 53-54 Ovarian Cancer
::::::: Deanna Warren early 30's Natural Causes (According to NAAFA!)
:::::::
::::::: Fat acceptance kills.
::::::
:::::: That is a wonderful post. Very poignant.
::::
:::: What's so wonderful and poignant about this post?
:::
::: I'm not sure either. 3 have unknown causes of death, 2 cancer (I
::: guess being fat causes cancer too), one is diabetes and the other is
::: surgical. I guess a bunch of names strung together with younger ages
::: of death is "poignant".
::
:: When taken in the context of the post, it sure is.
::

Beware what you read on usenet.

Here's some context for you.

http://www.naafa.org/news/raysimpson.html

Ray Simpson, 1945-2002
Fat Acceptance Pioneer

by Marilyn Simpson

Ray Simpson was born and raised in Pasadena, California. Ray worked as a
taxpayer specialist for the IRS for 23 years. He was one of the top, most
knowledgeable people who was honored by his peers and management as one of
the best and hardest working employees throughout his time with them.

As a young fat man, Ray struggled with all the problems we all have as fat
people, and he started looking for ways to protest the way he was treated
because of his weight. In 1969, Ray read in the newspaper about a group
that had started in New York that was fighting the fight for fat
acceptance. This intrigued him and he wrote to Bill Fabrey, who was
mentioned in the article, and inquired about starting a group in the Los
Angeles area. This led to him meeting some wonderful women who worked
beside him in NAAFA. Ray became a lifetime member in NAAFA as he was there
from the beginning. After a while, Ray and a few of the ladies felt NAAFA
wasn't radical enough and they formed the "Fat Underground" and did things
on their own. They wrote position papers about seat belts in cars,
turnstiles in grocery stores, etc. Early on when seatbelts were first
installed there were no extenders and some cars would not start without the
seatbelts hooked up. What were fat people to do? In airplanes they were
giving extenders to pregnant women, but fat people were kind of unaware
they had them and were sometimes embarrassed when they couldn't fasten the
seat belts. In grocery stores it was very hard for a fat person to get
through the turnstiles to even shop. Ray and the ladies wrote these
position papers and went to health fairs, set up booths for themselves and
passed out their papers. They went to Weight Watcher meetings and stood
outside and passed out their papers. They tended to make a lot of noise
regarding the fat acceptance movement. They always felt you could be fat
and happy and have always fought to end discrimination.

Ray was President of the LA-NAAFA Chapter for several years in the late
'80s. While he was president, we wrote a petition for the national board
members to change the name from the National Association to Aid Fat
Americans to the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance. Many of us
were bothered by the word AID in the name; we felt it was labeling us as
"handicapped". We wanted acceptance - not aid. The Board of Directors voted
on this and thus, the new name for NAAFA.

My name is Marilyn (Mann - Kastleman) Simpson. In 1985, at a LA-NAAFA pool
party, I met Ray. The LA Chapter of NAAFA had all come together to have
some fun and finish the planning of the national convention that was to be
in Los Angeles a few weeks later. Ray and I started talking about all the
plays and concerts that we had both been to and all the things we liked and
had in common, not to mention NAAFA, and became instant best friends and
realized we were soul mates soon after. We were engaged within a few weeks
and married just three months later. This man was one of a kind; a jewel of
a man who was a dream husband and stepfather - the true love of my life. He
was a large man, and the most gentle, kind and loving man anyone could
dream of.

Ray showed me the world. We went on several cruises in our 16+ years
together and he had been to some 50+ countries before I met him. His thirst
for knowledge and new experiences was so great. Life excited him so - and
sharing it with me made him so happy - and vice versa. Being a fat man (a
fat couple) never fazed him as far as stopping him from doing the things he
loved. His attitude was that he only had one life to live, this was it, and
he was going to live it to the fullest. He did.

My beloved Ray discovered he had diabetes when we first met in 1985. We
joined the Diabetes Group in NAAFA. He fought the diabetes fight and slowly
lost over 100 pounds over the years, but that was not enough. The damage
had been done. In 1999 Ray had a triple bypass. He had a small blister on
his foot at the same time and that took on a life of its own. Soon one
surgery after another took his toes, then parts of his foot, then leg, then
part of the other foot. He had to take a disability retirement from the IRS
in 1999 and had been struggling hard with the effects of diabetes for the
last three years.

Ray lost his battle on March 5, 2002, but in his short 57 years he lived a
fantastic life. He still believed in and loved NAAFA until the very end. He
fought the fight quietly; he just wasn't an active member towards the end.
We were grateful for NAAFA bringing us together. No couple was happier or
more compatible. We had more fun than two people had a right to have. Thank
you NAAFA!

****

Even after her husband died from the fat he was accepting this nut defends
the cult.

Fat acceptance kills.

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:35:57 GMT, Raoul Xemblonsky III
, wrote:

Spinach wrote in
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On 4 Feb 2004 17:28:02 GMT, Lady Veteran , wrote:

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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:57:35 GMT, Spinach
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On 4 Feb 2004 14:32:16 GMT, Lady Veteran ,
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On 4 Feb 2004 04:33:43 -0000, Lynn McAfee wrote:

Hi

I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by a
branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want
to talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being
caused by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about
how
expensive we are to the economy and how we're all going to die
slow and expensive deaths.

I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in
the
last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat publicity.
Of course, their names would not be used. I'm interested in
anybody who was turned down for a job because of health/insurance
concerns, anything painful that happened to a fat child, nasty
remarks, etc.

Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who
wants to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email
with their number and I'll call them at their convenience. I
really need some
back-up on this because without specifics I'll be ignored.

Thanks so much!

Lynn McAfee
Director, Medical Advocacy
Council on Size & Weight Discrimination

www.cswd.org


Wow! Lots of idiots jumped on this thread, didn't they?

Just one that I see.


Hello. You may want to take a look at my post called "The idiot
FAQ" posted elsewhere in SSFA.

Nobody wants to read any more of your idiocy than they have to,
troll.

It Partially Chronicles my battle with the
idiots in this group.

You mean the four year spanking you've received for running a
virtual "****wit" bot?

I committed the crime of saying that fat people
should not be ridiculed and have been a target ever sense.

No. You've been a target because you've a repulsive, rude and
incredibly stupid human being who's addicted to feeding the trolls.

I don't
mind really but the idiots hurt a lot of other people who are more
timid than myself.

A touch of humility might improve your rabid cave-man appearance.


I do not use remailers and I sign my posts with PGP.


Jeez, you'd think someone gave a tiny **** and asked you to fart
about yourself for 50 lines.

If you would like to discuss further-you may want to contact me off
line. My email works.

Bobbi, cruise for dates elsewhere. You're making us sick.

Spinach


I rest my case. Thanks for proving my point.

You proved all my points. Incredibly stupid? YES! totally illiterate?
YES! Addicted to replying to trolls? YES YES YES! Feed them Bobbi.
Dance when we command it. Good moron.

"Feed them"? Do you really think she'd share anything edible?


Could this cros-post
list get any longer?

YES. thanks for the suggestion, troll.

Poor fat people...can't figure out that eating causes weight gain
Aint there sumtin in teh Bible agin Gluttony?


I'm sure there's something in there agin this:

http://members.aol.com/RareBird2/NJchatbash5.html

Jade

"Carmen" wrote in message
...
|
| On 3-Feb-2004, Lynn McAfee wrote:
|
| I need a favor. I've been asked to speak at a workshop given by a
| branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want
to
| talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused
| by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how
| expensive we
| are to the economy and how we're all going to die slow and
expensive
| deaths.
|
| Snip
|
| WHY did you insist on crossposting to the array of groups you did as
| opposed to multiposting? Any posts that you crosspost to a fat
| acceptance group and a diet group will almost certainly result in a
| flame war. In future please post to each group separately.
|
| Carmen
| ASDLC

Because, Carmen, it wasn't crossposted by Lynn McAfee. She
did not even post the original to any newsgroups. It was cross-
posted (without Ms. McAfee's knowledge or consent) by a troll who
infests the fat acceptance groups and loves nothing more than to
incite
such flamewars as you mention. If you should see a post like this in
the future on your newsgroup, check the headers.

Robin