How to prevent hypo when playing tennis?

Beav wrote on Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:46:40
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"Alan Mackenzie" wrote in message
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Beav wrote on Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:24:10
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"Julie Bove" wrote in message
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"Pete" wrote in message
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You cannot go hypo without meds.

Not true! I certainly have! And more times than I care to
remember.

Yeah, you may have gone LOW, but you won't go unconscious, you won't
need any third party help, and your BG WILL climb back without
intervention.

This is not true, in my experience. I've encountered Type 0s (i.e.
non-diabetics), with hypos four times, and given advice to another T0
on a newsgroup, who'd described what was clearly a hypo. By "hypo"
here, I'm talking about a state in which the T0 is incapable of
coherent speech or decision making. By contrast, I've never
encountered another diabetic like this.

But let's not get too far ahead of ourselvces or confused over words.
What you're describing is a common enough problem, but it's not a
DIABETIC problem, it's more likely to be reactive hypoglycemia or
something else which I don't know about. That's not to say a diabetic
couldn't HAVE the problem, it's to say the problem isn't necessarily
linked to the diabetes itself.

Going TRULY hypo ....

Is there such a rigorous definition of what a real McCoy hypo is?

Well I'd say when you've got to the point where you can't help yourself
and need some intervention, but ther IS a clinical definition which I
believe (although I could be a bit out) is around 3.5mmol/l. For ME
that's not hypo but I have been accused of being hypo by lots of people
becasue I can run at 3.5 for hours with no problem.

Me neither. I can go a _lot_ lower than that whilst still functioning
fine, though I'd be helping myself to my sugar box before getting there.

3.5mmol/l? 63 doodahs per thingymajig?? That's a hypo? You've got to
be joking! Perhaps we should agree between ourselves and the rest of the
group that a hypo is a state in which you'd be unable to function
normally, and barely able to do anything about it. Or something like
that.

In the days when I had a British driving license, I always used to get
irritated at the stupid questions on the renewal forms involving such
ill-defined terms as "hypo". Or was it "hypoglycaemic episode"? What
the heck's an episode meant to be, especially for somebody who detests
Coronation Street and never watches it?

.... is the province of those who take BG lowering meds, and if it
wasn't, then every man and his dog would be using a BG meter 8 or 10
times a day and walking around with a pocketful of glucose tabs.

... or of those who have several beers at lunch time instead of food,
then cycle home from the office at 5:30 in the evening.

Well I'm not getting into the booze aspect:-)

Me neither. It's too early in the morning.

Beav

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"Alan Mackenzie" wrote in message
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Beav wrote on Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:46:40
But let's not get too far ahead of ourselvces or confused over words.
What you're describing is a common enough problem, but it's not a
DIABETIC problem, it's more likely to be reactive hypoglycemia or
something else which I don't know about. That's not to say a diabetic
couldn't HAVE the problem, it's to say the problem isn't necessarily
linked to the diabetes itself.

Going TRULY hypo ....

Is there such a rigorous definition of what a real McCoy hypo is?

Well I'd say when you've got to the point where you can't help yourself
and need some intervention, but ther IS a clinical definition which I
believe (although I could be a bit out) is around 3.5mmol/l. For ME
that's not hypo but I have been accused of being hypo by lots of people
becasue I can run at 3.5 for hours with no problem.

Me neither. I can go a _lot_ lower than that whilst still functioning
fine, though I'd be helping myself to my sugar box before getting there.

I think the FEELINGS of going hypo are more important than the actual
number. Diabetics who haven't been dx'd run high until they are, and then as
they come back to near normal levels, they experience REAL hypo symptoms,
but if they fetched up at the hozzie with the symptoms, there's no way
they'd be "classed" as hypoglycemic. The medico's have a definite number,
and if you go below that number, you're hypo whether you feel it or not. I
think this has also lead to some people believing they have hypo
unawareness. I've even been told that *I* have it because I can still be
feeling fine and functioning around the 2.5-3.0 mark. I actually DON'T have
unawareness, I can just function at lower than the "clinical" level. A very
YMMV thing in my book.

3.5mmol/l? 63 doodahs per thingymajig?? That's a hypo? You've got to
be joking!

Not at all. I THINK it's that number and it may even be higher. The rule of
thumb being "Four is the Floor" doesn't leave us much room to manoeuvre when
we're discussing clinical hypo.

Perhaps we should agree between ourselves and the rest of the
group that a hypo is a state in which you'd be unable to function
normally, and barely able to do anything about it. Or something like
that.

That's how I define a hypo when any non diabetic aske me what one is. It's
no use talking "numbers" to most people (diabetics included) so we have to
use a description and saying "It's when I feel like **** warmed up" doesn't
quite get "that" feeling across:-)


In the days when I had a British driving license, I always used to get
irritated at the stupid questions on the renewal forms involving such
ill-defined terms as "hypo". Or was it "hypoglycaemic episode"? What
the heck's an episode meant to be, especially for somebody who detests
Coronation Street and never watches it?

IIRC, the DVLA (licensing authority) regard a "hypoglycemic episode" as
either one where the diabetic needs 3rd party intervention or they have a BG
reading below 2.5 Now I don't know ANY diabetic that rings up the DVLA to
tell them they fell over on their way tot he fridge for an OJ :-)


.... is the province of those who take BG lowering meds, and if it
wasn't, then every man and his dog would be using a BG meter 8 or 10
times a day and walking around with a pocketful of glucose tabs.

... or of those who have several beers at lunch time instead of food,
then cycle home from the office at 5:30 in the evening.

Well I'm not getting into the booze aspect:-)

Me neither. It's too early in the morning.

It's night here and I'm still sober (as always:-(


Beav

"ojatt" wrote in message ...
For the past 3 months, she says that my bg control is good.
I do wonder if that's good enough.
Any comments.




Have you mentioned to your physician the episodes you have had while exercising?.


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On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:25:52 -0700, "Andrea2"
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I must agree with Shirley. Before I was taking meds, I fell
unconscious on the jogging track. I had ran about a mile,
and dropped like I was shot. I didn't regain consciousness
until after I had been transported and was in the ER. They
had already put in an IV and a urinary catheter.

Two years before I was officially diagnosed I woke up one morning on
the floor of the bathroom, with blood pouring from a cut on my scalp
and abrasions and bruises from hitting all the porcelain as I fell. It
was 5 am and we worked out later I must have gone to pee, half asleep,
and collapsed. As a male I had further to fall.
The doc sent me off for all sorts of tests and scalp X-rays, said
"many people get low sugars if they urinate early in the morning" and
sent me on my way.
It wasn't until I got hold of all my lab reports after diagnosis that
I found my fasting glucose had tested at 9 (160) during those tests.
He never even mentioned diabetes.
I now have a different doctor.
I never got another severe hypo (because that is what it had to be)
but I certainly had milder ones post-diagnosis before commencing diet
and exercise.

While it is quite possible that it was a hypo, it could also have
been, as other posters mentioned, low blood pressure. FWIW, years before
diagnosis (of DM T2) I had an episode similar to yours, i.e. unconsious
on the floor of the bathroom after urinating at some time in the night.
At the time, my GP also attributed it to low blood pressure due to
'quickly' standing up and urinating. Contrary to you, I still have the
same GP! :-)

FWIW, recently I had hypo-like symptoms when my BG and BP was fine.
Just to be on the safe side I ate some carbs and 'it' went away. Ain't
our bodies fun machines!? :-(

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

Off to Oz in eight days!

--
Frank Slootweg,
T2, 57y, Diag 4/2000, weightloss (81-69 kg), diet, 2 * 0.5 mg Repaglinide

On 24 Oct 2003 13:51:54 GMT, Ozlover wrote:

While it is quite possible that it was a hypo, it could also have
been, as other posters mentioned, low blood pressure. FWIW, years before
diagnosis (of DM T2) I had an episode similar to yours, i.e. unconsious
on the floor of the bathroom after urinating at some time in the night.
At the time, my GP also attributed it to low blood pressure due to
'quickly' standing up and urinating. Contrary to you, I still have the
same GP! :-)

FWIW, recently I had hypo-like symptoms when my BG and BP was fine.
Just to be on the safe side I ate some carbs and 'it' went away. Ain't
our bodies fun machines!? :-(

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

Off to Oz in eight days!

--
Frank Slootweg,
T2, 57y, Diag 4/2000, weightloss (81-69 kg), diet, 2 * 0.5 mg Repaglinide

I note what you say, but one problem I've never had diagnosed was low
BP.

Which area of the great South Land are you visiting and for how long?
All set already or interested in advice?

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

Alan wrote:
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I note what you say, but one problem I've never had diagnosed was low
BP.

Well, I was never diagnosed with low BP either. My BP has always been
'lowish' and now is 'good' (considering having DM).

Which area of the great South Land are you visiting and for how long?

Five weeks in a 4WD campervan. Mostly unsealed roads. Roughly
Adelaide, Mildura, Broken Hill, Silver City Hwy, Cameron Corner,
Innamincka (+ Coongie Lakes), Cordillo Downs Road or Walkers Crossing
Track, Birdsville Track, Oodnadatta Track, Dalhousie Springs, Finke
Track (+ Chambers Pillar), the Alice, Sandover Hwy, Plenty Hwy, the
Alice and then 'race' down the Stuart Hwy back to Adelaide. (Well, you
*did* ask! :-))

All set already or interested in advice?

All set, with help from the fine people over in rta+n. I vaguely
remember seeing a bloke called Alan over there! :-)

--
Frank Slootweg,
T2, 57y, Diag 4/2000, weightloss (81-69 kg), diet, 2 * 0.5 mg Repaglinide

On 24 Oct 2003 13:51:54 GMT, Ozlover wrote:

[Sorry for the late response.]

wrote:
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While it is quite possible that it was a hypo, it could also have
been, as other posters mentioned, low blood pressure. FWIW, years before
diagnosis (of DM T2) I had an episode similar to yours, i.e. unconsious
on the floor of the bathroom after urinating at some time in the night.
At the time, my GP also attributed it to low blood pressure due to
'quickly' standing up and urinating. Contrary to you, I still have the
same GP! :-)


This is called Micturition syncope. It happened to me once, unfortunatlly I
fell against the bathtub and broke a rib and had some other internal
injuries.

See:
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...rticleKey=9308

--
Randy M
234/208/175
Atkins since 7/14/03

On 24 Oct 2003 14:44:45 GMT, Ozlover wrote:

Alan wrote:
[deleted]
I note what you say, but one problem I've never had diagnosed was low
BP.

Well, I was never diagnosed with low BP either. My BP has always been
'lowish' and now is 'good' (considering having DM).

Which area of the great South Land are you visiting and for how long?

Five weeks in a 4WD campervan. Mostly unsealed roads. Roughly
Adelaide, Mildura, Broken Hill, Silver City Hwy, Cameron Corner,
Innamincka (+ Coongie Lakes), Cordillo Downs Road or Walkers Crossing
Track, Birdsville Track, Oodnadatta Track, Dalhousie Springs, Finke
Track (+ Chambers Pillar), the Alice, Sandover Hwy, Plenty Hwy, the
Alice and then 'race' down the Stuart Hwy back to Adelaide. (Well, you
*did* ask! :-))

All set already or interested in advice?

All set, with help from the fine people over in rta+n. I vaguely
remember seeing a bloke called Alan over there! :-)

Yep, that was me. I got a lot out of the various rec.travels (europe,
US, caribbean etc) while planning my world trip, so I gave a little
back there. Sorry I didn't remember the monicker. Dropped out a month
or two ago; spending too much time in front of a computer.
Have a great time. It's starting to warm up down here, particularly
where you're going, but I presume you know all the safety tips. Make
sure you make the side trip to Silverton for the art galleries near
Broken Hill.
If you can fit in a deviation to the Gold Coast I'll shout you a
drink. It's only a few thousand miles :-)
And on that note, make sure you visit the Barossa wineries before you
travel too far from Adelaide.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.