Help with numbers

I'm trying to figure out my SO's intake requirements et al and some of
these numbers make no sense to me

His vital statistics

Weight - 235
Goal - 200
Height - 6' 1"
Age - 39
Frame - Large
Big boned

Activity level - on his feet all day, moving most of the time. Work
isn't heavy, but it's constant
We lift weights 2x a week - he's just starting back into it and is going
very light for now .. he's lifting within 10 - 30 lbs of what I am for
the time being, but that will likely change in a week.

Now his current RMR and BMR make sense. But what has me stymied is his
caloric need for weight loss .. doesn't that seem awfully low, that's
not much more than I would likely eat on maintenance. The first number
is 500 less is BMR and the second is his BMR times .8. Shouldn't his
intake actually be higher because he is so active?? I don't want him to
get ill from not eating enough, and I know that once we get into this
with him, we;ll figure it out quick .. but I would like to have a number
to start with and say .. here .. this is what you need of these foods!

His protein requirements are as such:
The lowest 125.5g/day to 191.3g/day at the highest .. Now it is
suggested that due to our lifestyles that it should be .54 - .63/lb
which would be for you 167.8 – 191.3. (TY for the formulae Jenny!!)

Since we are both active, the .53 - .64 numbers are indicated for us
both.

Resting metabolic rate (RMR) is 2187
Daily caloric need for current weight is 3061 – 3280
Daily caloric intake for weight loss is 1581 - 1665
Body mass index (BMI) – very rough without measurements .. 31.1
Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is 2081

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Kitty =^..^=
NO MORE NUTS KITTY!!!
168/159/130ish - Nov Goal 155
September 17, 2003

"Qilt Kitty" wrote in message
...
I'm trying to figure out my SO's intake requirements et al and some
of
these numbers make no sense to me

His vital statistics

Weight - 235
Goal - 200
Height - 6' 1"
Age - 39
Frame - Large
Big boned

Activity level - on his feet all day, moving most of the time. Work
isn't heavy, but it's constant
We lift weights 2x a week - he's just starting back into it and is
going
very light for now .. he's lifting within 10 - 30 lbs of what I am
for
the time being, but that will likely change in a week.

Now his current RMR and BMR make sense. But what has me stymied is
his
caloric need for weight loss .. doesn't that seem awfully low,
that's
not much more than I would likely eat on maintenance. The first
number
is 500 less is BMR and the second is his BMR times .8.

Why so low? The usual rough guide is 10 - 12 times current body
weight, unless you don't lose at that level, which would make it more
like 2350 - 2820.

Shouldn't his
intake actually be higher because he is so active?? I don't want
him to
get ill from not eating enough, and I know that once we get into
this
with him, we;ll figure it out quick .. but I would like to have a
number
to start with and say .. here .. this is what you need of these
foods!

How are you calculating his bmr? Some bmr calculators factor in
activity level, some don't. In any case bmr is what you need to keep
surviving without adding in activity level. Add in activity and your
caloric needs go up. So you would want to take away those 500 cals
from his bmr+activity level, most probably a higher number than the
one(s) you've listed below.


Resting metabolic rate (RMR) is 2187
Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is 2081

What is the difference between these two to you? Because to me, basal
and resting mean the same thing.

revek


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revek wrote:

Now his current RMR and BMR make sense. But what has me stymied is
his
caloric need for weight loss .. doesn't that seem awfully low,
that's
not much more than I would likely eat on maintenance. The first
number
is 500 less is BMR and the second is his BMR times .8.

Why so low? The usual rough guide is 10 - 12 times current body weight,
unless you don't lose at that level, which would make it more like 2350
- 2820.

Then that is my misunderstanding from the info that i read ..I
understood it to be BMR numbers that were used.

How are you calculating his bmr? Some bmr calculators factor in

These did ..I used two different sites, one off fitday and the other was
here - http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/CalRequire.html, and they both
calculate activity level .. but from what I've discovered it comes down
to the site developer's interpretation of activity level.

caloric needs go up. So you would want to take away those 500 cals from
his bmr+activity level, most probably a higher number than the one(s)
you've listed below.

That was my question .. because they did seem awfully low .. I would
have figured is base needs at 2000 minimally.

What is the difference between these two to you? Because to me, basal
and resting mean the same thing.

I thought that one took into account lean muscle mass and BMI and the
other just on weight/height age .. resting would be the
weight/height/age and resting would be lean muscle and BMI ..


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NO MORE NUTS KITTY!!!
168/159/130ish - Nov Goal 155
September 17, 2003

"Qilt Kitty" wrote in message
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revek wrote:

Now his current RMR and BMR make sense. But what has me stymied
is
his
caloric need for weight loss .. doesn't that seem awfully low,
that's
not much more than I would likely eat on maintenance. The first
number
is 500 less is BMR and the second is his BMR times .8.

Why so low? The usual rough guide is 10 - 12 times current body
weight,
unless you don't lose at that level, which would make it more like
2350
- 2820.

Then that is my misunderstanding from the info that i read ..I
understood it to be BMR numbers that were used.

Often times the rough calc I mentioned aproximates the average
person's bmr+activity level. Sometimes it doesn't, outliers usually.

How are you calculating his bmr? Some bmr calculators factor in

These did ..I used two different sites, one off fitday and the other
was
here - http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/CalRequire.html, and they
both
calculate activity level .. but from what I've discovered it comes
down
to the site developer's interpretation of activity level.

What does DH do for activity? I input his numbers at the above site,
and chose moderate activity for 8 hours, and 4 light, and 4 very
light, and 8 resting totalling 24 hours. His bmr came out 2208,
activity 3680, for a total calorie expenditure to keep his current
weight at 5888. If that seems way off, here's another:
bmr 2208, activity 1472, for a combined total of 3680 for a lifestyle
of 8 light, 8 very light, and 8 resting. Sound more reasonable? This
is to maintain his current weight right now. To lose, he would have
to drop lower than the (combined) total BUT he needs to stay above his
bmr of 2208 to prevent his metabolism slowing down.

caloric needs go up. So you would want to take away those 500
cals from
his bmr+activity level, most probably a higher number than the
one(s)
you've listed below.

That was my question .. because they did seem awfully low .. I would
have figured is base needs at 2000 minimally.

Yeah it did seem low for such a big man.

What is the difference between these two to you? Because to me,
basal
and resting mean the same thing.

I thought that one took into account lean muscle mass and BMI and
the
other just on weight/height age .. resting would be the
weight/height/age and resting would be lean muscle and BMI ..

If it did then it would have you input that information, since it
varies from person to person and with fitness level. Did it?

hth
revek


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"Qilt Kitty" wrote in message

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Resting metabolic rate (RMR) is 2187
Daily caloric need for current weight is 3061 - 3280
Daily caloric intake for weight loss is 1581 - 1665
Body mass index (BMI) - very rough without measurements .. 31.1
Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is 2081

I think you must have misunderstood what you read as far as total calories.
He shouldn't eat less than his BMR. That's the minimum number of calories
needed to maintain a healthy body (cell replacement, metabolic processes,
etc.)

Since he's active I'd suggest starting with 12x his current body weight
which would be around 2800 calories. Give it a few weeks beyond the initial
whoosh of water loss to judge if the amount is correct.
--
Jeri
265/189/120
Atkins since 11/5/01
"Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right."

revek wrote:

Often times the rough calc I mentioned aproximates the average
person's bmr+activity level. Sometimes it doesn't, outliers usually.

Yeah I've noticed that people have reported very mixed results with that
... but for a rough measure, it's a place to start

What does DH do for activity? I input his numbers at the above site,

Lube tech at Jiffy Lube (think of him as a mechanic / technician) Altho
he has a higher activity level than they do .. lot of bending over hoods
of cars, squatting, reaching et al .. like I said .. 8 - 11 hours per
day of this - I put him at higher activity since he is ALWAYS on the go
while working. he lifts weights with me twice a week

and chose moderate activity for 8 hours, and 4 light, and 4 very
light, and 8 resting totalling 24 hours. His bmr came out 2208,

Okay I did resting for 8, light for 6, Moderate for 10 = 24 and got 2081
BMR, 4249 Activity - total of 6330

These are the instructions where I decided what numbers to pick .. I
think have mentioned to you before how they confused me ..

"Because you want to keep from going into metabolic slowdown you need to
aim for a calorie level that is close to 500 calories less than
maintenance but not less than 80% of maintenance. If you are very heavy
you can go to 1000 calories a day less than maintenance as long as this
gives you a calorie level that is not less than 80% of maintenance."

I guess it would depend on what your interpretation of maintenance is.
Also from what the example cited, I thought it was the BMR.

I have seen conflicting data on what you are supposed to base your
caloric intake on .. for me personally, if I get to close to my BMR
(according to fitday's BMR), I stop losing .. I have to stay at least
150 calories less in order to keep losing weight. I know that not
everyone is the same - some can comfortably go over. Now with Mike, we
have no clue what he's going to do. (heh heh - typical ROFL - ahem .. )

The other alternative is to let him eat as usual, track it, and make a
decision based from there?? I have started looking at ANY eating plan
as a science experiment .. if something doesn't work .. you adjust it.
The good old YMMV syndrome :\

activity 3680, for a total calorie expenditure to keep his current
weight at 5888. If that seems way off, here's another:

OMG .. I know he can't eat that much food!!!

bmr 2208, activity 1472, for a combined total of 3680 for a lifestyle
of 8 light, 8 very light, and 8 resting. Sound more reasonable? This

yes .. more reasonable. ..

is to maintain his current weight right now. To lose, he would have
to drop lower than the (combined) total BUT he needs to stay above his
bmr of 2208 to prevent his metabolism slowing down.

Okay.

Yeah it did seem low for such a big man.

I was explaining this to him this AM .. LOL .. poor baby .. I think I
confused him .. I sent him what I posted here, and told him what you had
posted to me last night, I told him that I thought that they were WAYY
to low and he goes .. I know you will find what is right for me .. ohman
...
If it did then it would have you input that information, since it
varies from person to person and with fitness level. Did it?

They asked for activity level .. so I figured that that is what it was
going to give me the results for ..

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Kitty =^..^=
NO MORE NUTS KITTY!!!
168/159/130ish - Nov Goal 155
September 17, 2003

Jeri wrote:

Since he's active I'd suggest starting with 12x his current body weight
which would be around 2800 calories. Give it a few weeks beyond the initial
whoosh of water loss to judge if the amount is correct.

I think that that is what we are going to have to do .. we'll actually
track his intake and then see what numbers we are working with .. I want
to see what he is eating now and we should be able to get him squared
from there.

And we'll base his intake on numbers starting at 2400 -2500 and go from
there - I hope :\

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Kitty =^..^=
NO MORE NUTS KITTY!!!
168/159/130ish - Nov Goal 155
September 17, 2003