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Old August 22nd, 2004, 03:15 AM
Lady o' the house
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Thanks for advice, Jenny. I think that going much over 1200 calories would
be too much food for me. And I'll check out the biotin and B vitamins.

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"Jenny" wrote in message
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Lady,

All that ever happened to me when I tried raising calories was weight

gain.
The more weight you lose, the less those BMR charts seem to apply. Right

now
a hospital nutritionist has told me I should be able to maintain on 2200
calories. Well, I have logged and weighed and done all that stuff for many
months and discovered that going over 1700 calories a day will reliably

put
weight on me, even when low carbing.

As far as the hair loss goes, twice in the past six years I've had spells
where my hair started falling out badly enough that it scared me. They
passed, and it all seems to have grown back as I still have an awful lot

of
hair. This is apparently something that happens to dieters. Google this
newsgroup and you'll find quite a few threads on the subject. You can try
upping your B vitamins or taking Biotin.



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"Lady o' the house" wrote in message
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I've been wondering lately if I should up my calories. Lately, I've

been
averaging around 1200 calories and 30-35 carbs per day. I'm losing

about
a
pound a week (I know, that's great and I should be happy---52 pounds in

a
year). But I read in DANDR that if one wants to count calories, to use

the
10-12x rule. I can't imagine losing weight eating 2000 calories. Some

here
have suggested that I may need to go lower than that, say 7 or 8x. My
calorie count is only a little more than 5 times my weight.

I guess I'm wondering if I am getting enough nutrition. I feel good,

and
the weight is coming off slowly. Wondering if I up the calories if the
weight will come off faster (wouldn't mind that right now, at least till

I
get to Pre-Maintenance.)

Also, could the fact that my calories are low be a cause of my thinning
hair? It seems to have happened shortly after I began to really count
calories. I've always had really thick and full hair; now I can see my
scalp through the top front of my hair.

Or should I just do my own experiment?

Thanks. I'm really glad to have all you experts to bounce questions off

of
(ewww, bad grammar! Sorry!)
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Old August 22nd, 2004, 03:17 AM
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Thanks, PJx and Succorso.

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"PJx" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:35:31 GMT, "Lady o' the house"
wrote:

I've been wondering lately if I should up my calories. Lately, I've been
averaging around 1200 calories and 30-35 carbs per day. I'm losing about

a
pound a week (I know, that's great and I should be happy---52 pounds in a
year). But I read in DANDR that if one wants to count calories, to use

the
10-12x rule. I can't imagine losing weight eating 2000 calories. Some

here
have suggested that I may need to go lower than that, say 7 or 8x. My
calorie count is only a little more than 5 times my weight.

I guess I'm wondering if I am getting enough nutrition. I feel good, and
the weight is coming off slowly. Wondering if I up the calories if the
weight will come off faster (wouldn't mind that right now, at least till

I
get to Pre-Maintenance.)

Also, could the fact that my calories are low be a cause of my thinning
hair? It seems to have happened shortly after I began to really count
calories. I've always had really thick and full hair; now I can see my
scalp through the top front of my hair.

Or should I just do my own experiment?

Thanks. I'm really glad to have all you experts to bounce questions off

of
(ewww, bad grammar! Sorry!)


If you could do 52 MORE pounds this next year, you would be in great
shape, right? That's unrealistic of course, but do keep in mind that
multiple research studies have shown that rats that have been on
extremely low calorie starvation diets, live twice as long and are
much healthier than their control groups. A number of human studies
are underway to determine if the same results can be applied to humans
on extremely low calorie starvation diets. Some of these people
expect to live to 120 or greater, but more importantly to be healthy
and vigorous in the process.

A body in starvation mode is a good thing






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Old August 22nd, 2004, 08:06 AM
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They could do longitudinal studies of Buddhist monks who by religious
vow only eat one meal a day (before noon), and are monks lifelong.
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 02:59 PM
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"Lady o' the house" wrote in message ...
I've been wondering lately if I should up my calories. Lately, I've been
averaging around 1200 calories and 30-35 carbs per day. I'm losing about a
pound a week (I know, that's great and I should be happy---52 pounds in a
year). But I read in DANDR that if one wants to count calories, to use the
10-12x rule. I can't imagine losing weight eating 2000 calories. Some here
have suggested that I may need to go lower than that, say 7 or 8x. My
calorie count is only a little more than 5 times my weight.

Also, could the fact that my calories are low be a cause of my thinning
hair? It seems to have happened shortly after I began to really count
calories. I've always had really thick and full hair; now I can see my
scalp through the top front of my hair.


Well, when you're eating that little you'll be malnurished. I suggest
increasing your food intake and increasing the exercise to compensate.
What does your workout look like, and how much protein are you
getting? What's your age, weight, height etc?
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 03:00 PM
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"Jenny" wrote in message ...

All that ever happened to me when I tried raising calories was weight gain.
The more weight you lose, the less those BMR charts seem to apply.


Of course, if you lose significant muscle because you don't use them,
then your metabolism goes down so the weight loss gets harder and
harder. This is what happens when you lose weight too fast and don't
work your muscles hard enough, or when you don't get enough protein.
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 03:02 PM
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DJ Delorie wrote in message ...
"Lady o' the house" writes:
I've been wondering lately if I should up my calories. Lately, I've been
averaging around 1200 calories and 30-35 carbs per day. I'm losing about a
pound a week (I know, that's great and I should be happy---52 pounds in a
year).


No reason to change anything if you're reliably losing weight.


There is if you're losing as much muscle as you are fat, or more. Most
people who try to lose weight don't know they have to do regular
weight-lifting to preserve their muscle, so they lose all their
muscle, their metabolism plummets, then they start complaining a year
later that they can barely eat more than an apple a day without
gaining weight. They also usually look thin and flabby rather than
lean and defined as they would if they'd done the other half of the
weight-loss equation (exercise).
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 03:05 PM
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PJx wrote in message . ..

If you could do 52 MORE pounds this next year, you would be in great
shape, right?


Depends on her weight, and what she loses.

That's unrealistic of course, but do keep in mind that
multiple research studies have shown that rats that have been on
extremely low calorie starvation diets, live twice as long and are
much healthier than their control groups.


Depends on your definition of healthy, and the relevance depends on
whether humans can subject themselves to starvation without it being
enforced by a lab, and whether life in a near-coma is worth living
twice as long.

A number of human studies
are underway to determine if the same results can be applied to humans
on extremely low calorie starvation diets. Some of these people
expect to live to 120 or greater, but more importantly to be healthy
and vigorous in the process.


You can't be vigorous without eating the food to go with it. I've seen
some of the people on those low calorie diets and they all look gaunt
and hollow.

A body in starvation mode is a good thing


Yeah, if you like being a flabby skeleton sat on the couch all day
without enough strength to lift so much as a roll of carpet.
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 08:14 PM
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:46:52 -0500, PJx wrote:

On 23 Aug 2004 07:05:59 -0700, (The Voice of
Reason) wrote:

You can't be vigorous without eating the food to go with it. I've seen
some of the people on those low calorie diets and they all look gaunt
and hollow.


You need to change your nick. You definitely are not a voice of
reason.

That gaunt and hollow look is what we should ALL be reaching for.
I've known lots of people that have been thru heart bypass surgery and
the only ones that are healthy, active and happy 5 years later are the
ones that look gaunt and hollow. They followed their doctors advice
and lost nearly all their body fat and excerise vigorously every day.

Same thing with all my relatives. The gaunt look seems to be the key
to staying active up the age of 95 plus in my family.


And genetics play no role? My grandfather was an alcoholic, smoked
unfiltered cigarettes, was abusive, worked in the coal mines, ate a
horrible diet by any standard, never exercised and is somewhere near 90.

Let me tell you what else the guys say. They say that after losing
the body fat and exercising vigorously, they wake up with a boner
several times a night - something they hadn't done in years. It is
the best cure for impotency ever found.


Are you sure that's not a medical condition? What's good a boner do you
when you want to sleep?


A body in starvation mode is a good thing


Yeah, if you like being a flabby skeleton sat on the couch all day
without enough strength to lift so much as a roll of carpet.


Those rats on reduced calorie diets were healthy and more active
as well as living twice as long as the one on the 'normal' diet.

Pj


Good for the rats. I'm happy for them.

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