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Old February 12th, 2007, 11:20 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie
Caleb
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Default Rapid weight loss good as motivator, etc.

Interesting abstract I came across in PubMed.

I'm not saying that a rapid weight loss is desirable for most people,
but the following research shows that a good case can be made for it.
(Also that it clearly is not the uniformly terrible situation that
some might argue.)

In addition, the following article notes one of the preventive
treatments for gallstones -- a teaspoon of vegetable oil

The article also agrees with some of the points I made regarding the
motivational aspects of a more rapid weight loss.

Any comments?

Yours,

Caleb



Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2006;15 Suppl:49-54. Links
State of the science: VLED (Very Low Energy Diet) for obesity.

* Delbridge E,
* Proietto J.

University of Melbourne, Department of Medicine(AH/NH),
Repatriation Hospital, Heidelberg, Victoria 3081, Australia,
.

It is often stated, "the faster you lose weight, the faster it is
regained ". A review of existing literature does not support such a
statement--indeed if anything the reverse is true. The origins of this
erroneous view are the misconceptions that weight regain is a simple
matter of bad dietary and social habits and that it takes time to
change these, that physiological adaptations to rapid weight loss are
different to those of gradual weight loss and that weight regain is
simply due to a return to old habits. Indeed there are many advantages
to rapid weight loss achieved with the use of a modern very low energy
diet, including the fact that rapid weight loss is a motivating
factor, that the mild ketosis that occurs not only suppresses hunger,
but also slows protein loss and that adherence is easier with a
structured dietary regime. VLEDs are dietary preparations that provide
all nutritional requirements together with between 1845 and 3280 KJ
(450 and 800 Kcal) per day. An individual takes this meal replacement
three times daily as a substitute for breakfast, lunch and dinner. In
addition, a bowl of non-starchy vegetables once daily provides some
fibre and helps to satisfy the social aspect of eating. A teaspoon of
oil on the vegetables contracts the gall bladder to minimise the risk
of gall stone formation. Since weight loss, at whatever rate, results
in physiological adaptations leading to weight regain, careful
attention must be paid to the period after the VLED regime is
completed. Lifestyle modification, diet and exercise are instituted
optimally with behaviour modification. If, despite the subject's best
efforts, weight regain occurs, an appetite suppressant is advisable to
help control the drive to eat.

PMID: 16928661 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Old February 13th, 2007, 12:34 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie
Gary G
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Default Rapid weight loss good as motivator, etc.

Seems to me that a diet as they describe it is not something you can live
with...Anecdotally for me every significant weight loss and there have been
many in my 55 years was followed by a bigger gain than the time
before...Why?...Well because very goofy diet I tried was not something I
could live with...I now feel it's not what you eat but how much and how much
exercise I do daily...3 meal replacements some starchy vegetables and a
spoon of vegetable oil is not my idea of eating...I enjoy food and have now
learned to eat portions which sustain me...I have no science to back up what
I'm saying but for me it works...And if their only answer to failure is to
take a pill I find this not an acceptable answer...GG

"Caleb" wrote in message
oups.com...
Interesting abstract I came across in PubMed.

I'm not saying that a rapid weight loss is desirable for most people,
but the following research shows that a good case can be made for it.
(Also that it clearly is not the uniformly terrible situation that
some might argue.)

In addition, the following article notes one of the preventive
treatments for gallstones -- a teaspoon of vegetable oil

The article also agrees with some of the points I made regarding the
motivational aspects of a more rapid weight loss.

Any comments?

Yours,

Caleb



Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2006;15 Suppl:49-54. Links
State of the science: VLED (Very Low Energy Diet) for obesity.

* Delbridge E,
* Proietto J.

University of Melbourne, Department of Medicine(AH/NH),
Repatriation Hospital, Heidelberg, Victoria 3081, Australia,
.

It is often stated, "the faster you lose weight, the faster it is
regained ". A review of existing literature does not support such a
statement--indeed if anything the reverse is true. The origins of this
erroneous view are the misconceptions that weight regain is a simple
matter of bad dietary and social habits and that it takes time to
change these, that physiological adaptations to rapid weight loss are
different to those of gradual weight loss and that weight regain is
simply due to a return to old habits. Indeed there are many advantages
to rapid weight loss achieved with the use of a modern very low energy
diet, including the fact that rapid weight loss is a motivating
factor, that the mild ketosis that occurs not only suppresses hunger,
but also slows protein loss and that adherence is easier with a
structured dietary regime. VLEDs are dietary preparations that provide
all nutritional requirements together with between 1845 and 3280 KJ
(450 and 800 Kcal) per day. An individual takes this meal replacement
three times daily as a substitute for breakfast, lunch and dinner. In
addition, a bowl of non-starchy vegetables once daily provides some
fibre and helps to satisfy the social aspect of eating. A teaspoon of
oil on the vegetables contracts the gall bladder to minimise the risk
of gall stone formation. Since weight loss, at whatever rate, results
in physiological adaptations leading to weight regain, careful
attention must be paid to the period after the VLED regime is
completed. Lifestyle modification, diet and exercise are instituted
optimally with behaviour modification. If, despite the subject's best
efforts, weight regain occurs, an appetite suppressant is advisable to
help control the drive to eat.

PMID: 16928661 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



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Old February 13th, 2007, 02:39 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie
Caleb
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Default Rapid weight loss good as motivator, etc.

On Feb 12, 3:34 pm, "Gary G" wrote:
Seems to me that a diet as they describe it is not something you can live
with...Anecdotally for me every significant weight loss and there have been
many in my 55 years was followed by a bigger gain than the time
before...Why?...Well because very goofy diet I tried was not something I
could live with...I now feel it's not what you eat but how much and how much
exercise I do daily...3 meal replacements some starchy vegetables and a
spoon of vegetable oil is not my idea of eating...I enjoy food and have now
learned to eat portions which sustain me...I have no science to back up what
I'm saying but for me it works...And if their only answer to failure is to
take a pill I find this not an acceptable answer...GG

"Caleb" wrote in message

oups.com...

Interesting abstract I came across in PubMed.


I'm not saying that a rapid weight loss is desirable for most people,
but the following research shows that a good case can be made for it.
(Also that it clearly is not the uniformly terrible situation that
some might argue.)


In addition, the following article notes one of the preventive
treatments for gallstones -- a teaspoon of vegetable oil


The article also agrees with some of the points I made regarding the
motivational aspects of a more rapid weight loss.


Any comments?


Yours,


Caleb


Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2006;15 Suppl:49-54. Links
State of the science: VLED (Very Low Energy Diet) for obesity.


* Delbridge E,
* Proietto J.


University of Melbourne, Department of Medicine(AH/NH),
Repatriation Hospital, Heidelberg, Victoria 3081, Australia,
.


It is often stated, "the faster you lose weight, the faster it is
regained ". A review of existing literature does not support such a
statement--indeed if anything the reverse is true. The origins of this
erroneous view are the misconceptions that weight regain is a simple
matter of bad dietary and social habits and that it takes time to
change these, that physiological adaptations to rapid weight loss are
different to those of gradual weight loss and that weight regain is
simply due to a return to old habits. Indeed there are many advantages
to rapid weight loss achieved with the use of a modern very low energy
diet, including the fact that rapid weight loss is a motivating
factor, that the mild ketosis that occurs not only suppresses hunger,
but also slows protein loss and that adherence is easier with a
structured dietary regime. VLEDs are dietary preparations that provide
all nutritional requirements together with between 1845 and 3280 KJ
(450 and 800 Kcal) per day. An individual takes this meal replacement
three times daily as a substitute for breakfast, lunch and dinner. In
addition, a bowl of non-starchy vegetables once daily provides some
fibre and helps to satisfy the social aspect of eating. A teaspoon of
oil on the vegetables contracts the gall bladder to minimise the risk
of gall stone formation. Since weight loss, at whatever rate, results
in physiological adaptations leading to weight regain, careful
attention must be paid to the period after the VLED regime is
completed. Lifestyle modification, diet and exercise are instituted
optimally with behaviour modification. If, despite the subject's best
efforts, weight regain occurs, an appetite suppressant is advisable to
help control the drive to eat.


PMID: 16928661 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Well Gary -- different strokes for different folks!

This study found different results, I guess. I hope your approach
works for you!

Yours,

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Old February 13th, 2007, 05:44 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie
Caleb
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Default Rapid weight loss good as motivator, etc.

On Feb 12, 3:34 pm, "Gary G" wrote:
Seems to me that a diet as they describe it is not something you can live
with...Anecdotally for me every significant weight loss and there have been
many in my 55 years was followed by a bigger gain than the time
before...Why?...Well because very goofy diet I tried was not something I
could live with...I now feel it's not what you eat but how much and how much
exercise I do daily...3 meal replacements some starchy vegetables and a
spoon of vegetable oil is not my idea of eating...I enjoy food and have now
learned to eat portions which sustain me...I have no science to back up what
I'm saying but for me it works...And if their only answer to failure is to
take a pill I find this not an acceptable answer...GG


Gary -- one more point

If people require an appetite suppressant to maintain their weight
loss, I would not necessarily be against it. People with diabetes,
with seizures, hypertension, etc., etc. (heck! I have dermatitis)
require medication to reduce negative effects. I think an appetite
suppressant may be very effective in saving lives. Whatever is
required is required! No atheists in foxholes. etc. etc.

I've never taken such an appetite suppressant after I lost weight and
I don't expect to have to do so in the future. FenPhen didn't work for
me at all, in the several months I tried it.

But certainly you would not presume to come between patients and their
doctors. If a physician who knows a patient well and who is following
the literature closely feels that her/his patient needs such
medication, who the heck are we to look over their shoulder?

Yours truly,

Caleb

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Old February 13th, 2007, 06:22 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie
Caleb
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Default Rapid weight loss good as motivator, etc.

On Feb 12, 2:20 pm, "Caleb" wrote:
Interesting abstract I came across in PubMed.

I'm not saying that a rapid weight loss is desirable for most people,
but the following research shows that a good case can be made for it.
(Also that it clearly is not the uniformly terrible situation that
some might argue.)

In addition, the following article notes one of the preventive
treatments for gallstones -- a teaspoon of vegetable oil

The article also agrees with some of the points I made regarding the
motivational aspects of a more rapid weight loss.

Any comments?

Yours,

Caleb

Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2006;15 Suppl:49-54. Links
State of the science: VLED (Very Low Energy Diet) for obesity.

* Delbridge E,
* Proietto J.

University of Melbourne, Department of Medicine(AH/NH),
Repatriation Hospital, Heidelberg, Victoria 3081, Australia,
.

It is often stated, "the faster you lose weight, the faster it is
regained ". A review of existing literature does not support such a
statement--indeed if anything the reverse is true. The origins of this
erroneous view are the misconceptions that weight regain is a simple
matter of bad dietary and social habits and that it takes time to
change these, that physiological adaptations to rapid weight loss are
different to those of gradual weight loss and that weight regain is
simply due to a return to old habits. Indeed there are many advantages
to rapid weight loss achieved with the use of a modern very low energy
diet, including the fact that rapid weight loss is a motivating
factor, that the mild ketosis that occurs not only suppresses hunger,
but also slows protein loss and that adherence is easier with a
structured dietary regime. VLEDs are dietary preparations that provide
all nutritional requirements together with between 1845 and 3280 KJ
(450 and 800 Kcal) per day. An individual takes this meal replacement
three times daily as a substitute for breakfast, lunch and dinner. In
addition, a bowl of non-starchy vegetables once daily provides some
fibre and helps to satisfy the social aspect of eating. A teaspoon of
oil on the vegetables contracts the gall bladder to minimise the risk
of gall stone formation. Since weight loss, at whatever rate, results
in physiological adaptations leading to weight regain, careful
attention must be paid to the period after the VLED regime is
completed. Lifestyle modification, diet and exercise are instituted
optimally with behaviour modification. If, despite the subject's best
efforts, weight regain occurs, an appetite suppressant is advisable to
help control the drive to eat.

PMID: 16928661 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


The complete paper is found he
http://www.healthyeatingclub.com/APJ...p/Proietto.pdf

"Conclusion
"The available evidence suggests that treatment with a
VLED does not lead to worse long-term results than other
dietary approaches. In fact, some studies suggest that individuals
maintain more weight loss when the weight loss
is achieved using a VLED compared to a low energy diet.
VLED is most effective when combined with behavioural
change, active follow-up and pharmacotherapy to suppress
the drive to eat if required."

Yours,

Caleb

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Old February 13th, 2007, 07:03 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie
Gary G
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Default Rapid weight loss good as motivator, etc.

Your point is taken and certainly a Doctor should know what's best but after
dealing with the medical profession I know that is not always
true...Certainly there is a place for meds as well as the many forms of
surgical answers but I'm fairly sure that most of us do best with less in
and more exercise...Certainly your mileage may vary... It's seems easier and
easier to find studies backing up these concepts...In the late 70's I used
a product called Slender Now...Meal replacement twice a day and one meal of
whatever...It worked...In fact I lost probably 75 lbs...But as with many of
these things it was not something I could live with...In less than a year I
had gained it all back and then some...It took almost 25 years more for me
to make the changes needed...Many issues are at work for each of us...The
important thing in my mind is to enjoy the journey...GG
"Caleb" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 12, 3:34 pm, "Gary G" wrote:
Seems to me that a diet as they describe it is not something you can live
with...Anecdotally for me every significant weight loss and there have
been
many in my 55 years was followed by a bigger gain than the time
before...Why?...Well because very goofy diet I tried was not something I
could live with...I now feel it's not what you eat but how much and how
much
exercise I do daily...3 meal replacements some starchy vegetables and a
spoon of vegetable oil is not my idea of eating...I enjoy food and have
now
learned to eat portions which sustain me...I have no science to back up
what
I'm saying but for me it works...And if their only answer to failure is
to
take a pill I find this not an acceptable answer...GG


Gary -- one more point

If people require an appetite suppressant to maintain their weight
loss, I would not necessarily be against it. People with diabetes,
with seizures, hypertension, etc., etc. (heck! I have dermatitis)
require medication to reduce negative effects. I think an appetite
suppressant may be very effective in saving lives. Whatever is
required is required! No atheists in foxholes. etc. etc.

I've never taken such an appetite suppressant after I lost weight and
I don't expect to have to do so in the future. FenPhen didn't work for
me at all, in the several months I tried it.

But certainly you would not presume to come between patients and their
doctors. If a physician who knows a patient well and who is following
the literature closely feels that her/his patient needs such
medication, who the heck are we to look over their shoulder?

Yours truly,

Caleb



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Old February 13th, 2007, 08:27 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie
Caleb
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Default Rapid weight loss good as motivator, etc.

On Feb 13, 10:03 am, "Gary G" wrote:
Your point is taken and certainly a Doctor should know what's best but after
dealing with the medical profession I know that is not always
true...Certainly there is a place for meds as well as the many forms of
surgical answers but I'm fairly sure that most of us do best with less in
and more exercise...Certainly your mileage may vary... It's seems easier and
easier to find studies backing up these concepts...In the late 70's I used
a product called Slender Now...Meal replacement twice a day and one meal of
whatever...It worked...In fact I lost probably 75 lbs...But as with many of
these things it was not something I could live with...In less than a year I
had gained it all back and then some...It took almost 25 years more for me
to make the changes needed...Many issues are at work for each of us...The
important thing in my mind is to enjoy the journey...GG"Caleb" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Feb 12, 3:34 pm, "Gary G" wrote:
Seems to me that a diet as they describe it is not something you can live
with...Anecdotally for me every significant weight loss and there have
been
many in my 55 years was followed by a bigger gain than the time
before...Why?...Well because very goofy diet I tried was not something I
could live with...I now feel it's not what you eat but how much and how
much
exercise I do daily...3 meal replacements some starchy vegetables and a
spoon of vegetable oil is not my idea of eating...I enjoy food and have
now
learned to eat portions which sustain me...I have no science to back up
what
I'm saying but for me it works...And if their only answer to failure is
to
take a pill I find this not an acceptable answer...GG


Gary -- one more point


If people require an appetite suppressant to maintain their weight
loss, I would not necessarily be against it. People with diabetes,
with seizures, hypertension, etc., etc. (heck! I have dermatitis)
require medication to reduce negative effects. I think an appetite
suppressant may be very effective in saving lives. Whatever is
required is required! No atheists in foxholes. etc. etc.


I've never taken such an appetite suppressant after I lost weight and
I don't expect to have to do so in the future. FenPhen didn't work for
me at all, in the several months I tried it.


But certainly you would not presume to come between patients and their
doctors. If a physician who knows a patient well and who is following
the literature closely feels that her/his patient needs such
medication, who the heck are we to look over their shoulder?


Yours truly,


Caleb


Gary G -- AMEN BROTHER!!! AGAIN AMEN!!!

Even though I am not religious, you move me to such praise!!!

I sure/absolutely/fully/100 percent/etc. agree with what you say!

Too bad there's so much gnashing of teeth.

Yours,

Caleb

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Old February 14th, 2007, 12:37 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie
Willow Herself
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Default Rapid weight loss good as motivator, etc.

Yours is the amazing science of "comon sense" the amazing thing is, it's one
of the few that no one sells, and I've found.. it;s the most effective!

Will~

"Gary G" wrote in message
...
Seems to me that a diet as they describe it is not something you can live
with...Anecdotally for me every significant weight loss and there have
been many in my 55 years was followed by a bigger gain than the time
before...Why?...Well because very goofy diet I tried was not something I
could live with...I now feel it's not what you eat but how much and how
much exercise I do daily...3 meal replacements some starchy vegetables and
a spoon of vegetable oil is not my idea of eating...I enjoy food and have
now learned to eat portions which sustain me...I have no science to back
up what I'm saying but for me it works...And if their only answer to
failure is to take a pill I find this not an acceptable answer...GG

"Caleb" wrote in message
oups.com...
Interesting abstract I came across in PubMed.

I'm not saying that a rapid weight loss is desirable for most people,
but the following research shows that a good case can be made for it.
(Also that it clearly is not the uniformly terrible situation that
some might argue.)

In addition, the following article notes one of the preventive
treatments for gallstones -- a teaspoon of vegetable oil

The article also agrees with some of the points I made regarding the
motivational aspects of a more rapid weight loss.

Any comments?

Yours,

Caleb



Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2006;15 Suppl:49-54. Links
State of the science: VLED (Very Low Energy Diet) for obesity.

* Delbridge E,
* Proietto J.

University of Melbourne, Department of Medicine(AH/NH),
Repatriation Hospital, Heidelberg, Victoria 3081, Australia,
.

It is often stated, "the faster you lose weight, the faster it is
regained ". A review of existing literature does not support such a
statement--indeed if anything the reverse is true. The origins of this
erroneous view are the misconceptions that weight regain is a simple
matter of bad dietary and social habits and that it takes time to
change these, that physiological adaptations to rapid weight loss are
different to those of gradual weight loss and that weight regain is
simply due to a return to old habits. Indeed there are many advantages
to rapid weight loss achieved with the use of a modern very low energy
diet, including the fact that rapid weight loss is a motivating
factor, that the mild ketosis that occurs not only suppresses hunger,
but also slows protein loss and that adherence is easier with a
structured dietary regime. VLEDs are dietary preparations that provide
all nutritional requirements together with between 1845 and 3280 KJ
(450 and 800 Kcal) per day. An individual takes this meal replacement
three times daily as a substitute for breakfast, lunch and dinner. In
addition, a bowl of non-starchy vegetables once daily provides some
fibre and helps to satisfy the social aspect of eating. A teaspoon of
oil on the vegetables contracts the gall bladder to minimise the risk
of gall stone formation. Since weight loss, at whatever rate, results
in physiological adaptations leading to weight regain, careful
attention must be paid to the period after the VLED regime is
completed. Lifestyle modification, diet and exercise are instituted
optimally with behaviour modification. If, despite the subject's best
efforts, weight regain occurs, an appetite suppressant is advisable to
help control the drive to eat.

PMID: 16928661 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]





 




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