How to acquire a "rugged look"?

mapp writes:

depends on how you define "potentially abusive".

Showing behavior consistent with the pattern shown by confirmed abusers.

you sound like the people who claim all men are potential rapists, since all
men have penises.

I suppose all men are potential rapists (as are all women) in a
physiological sense. Most men don't have the personality to rape,
though, and neither do most women.

most women are attracted to strong men - men who are stronger than they are.
women, in general, don't like whimps.

Women tend to pair up with bad boys in their youth because their
hormones are high and they are sexually attracted to such men. By their
thirties, they are divorcing them, since the sexual attraction has worn
off and they realize what losers such men are in all other respects.

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Proton Soup writes:

Hmmm, violent metaphors you say. When I was growing up, and doing
something particularly annoying, my mother would often say "You're
cruisin' for a bruisin' !". And all this time, I thought it was just
a playful reprimand. LIttle did I know that Mom was right on the
verge of kicking my ass.

If it is a fixed phrase, it may not portend violence. And women are far
less likely to become violent than men, so the rules are a bit
different.


not in domestic violence situations.

more women than men are likely to use physical violence.

men are much more likely to use more SERIOUS physical violence, resulting in
injury, though

whit

And speaking of controlling attitudes, ever hear the term
"manipulative bitch" ?

Sure. Lots of abusive men use it in court transcripts.

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mapp writes:

depends on how you define "potentially abusive".

Showing behavior consistent with the pattern shown by confirmed abusers.

you sound like the people who claim all men are potential rapists, since
all
men have penises.

I suppose all men are potential rapists (as are all women) in a
physiological sense. Most men don't have the personality to rape,
though, and neither do most women.

most women are attracted to strong men - men who are stronger than they
are.
women, in general, don't like whimps.

Women tend to pair up with bad boys in their youth because their
hormones are high and they are sexually attracted to such men. By their
thirties, they are divorcing them, since the sexual attraction has worn
off and they realize what losers such men are in all other respects.


they still tend to prefer strong men over weak men. in our society, strong
doesn't necessarily mean physically strong - it can also have to do with
money/power etc.

but women still prefer strong men to whimps.

whit

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marbury writes:

more women than men are likely to use physical violence.

They are raised to believe it is acceptable, as long as it doesn't
injure anyone physically. Women need to be taught that it is _not_
acceptable, injury or not.

men are much more likely to use more SERIOUS physical violence, resulting in
injury, though

Men seek to injure through violence; women generally do not.

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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:18:30 GMT, Proton Soup wrote:

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:41:50 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Proton Soup writes:

Such as?

A preoccupation with violence and an interest in violent behaviors
(martial arts, boxing, etc.); an interest in guns; frequent use of
violent metaphors in speech and behavior; a controlling attitude towards
partners; a fast-moving attempt to establish "permanent" relationships;
etc.

Hmmm, violent metaphors you say. When I was growing up, and doing
something particularly annoying, my mother would often say "You're
cruisin' for a bruisin' !". And all this time, I thought it was just
a playful reprimand. LIttle did I know that Mom was right on the
verge of kicking my ass.

And speaking of controlling attitudes, ever hear the term
"manipulative bitch" ?

Permanent relationships? Yeah, I think we all know who it is that
complains endlessly about the inability of a certain "gender" to
commit, don't we?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot the guns. Why else would a woman need a
purse, except to be packing heat? Just a little too convenient, don't
you think?


ER no......... You obviously have no idea just how much they can pack
in those very useful pieces of kit, not the least of which includes my
mobile 'phone and car keys, which would otherwise destroy the cut of
my suit!!

marbury writes:

they still tend to prefer strong men over weak men.

Both sexes tend to prefer psychologically strong partners.

Women are sexually attracted to physical strength as well, which only
makes sense since that matches the majority of men (from a woman's
viewpoint). However, there is more to successful relationships than
sexual attraction.

... in our society, strong
doesn't necessarily mean physically strong - it can also have to do with
money/power etc.

Yes. See above. But both sexes prefer partners who are strong in other
ways, unless they are very insecure (as many men are, alas!).

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John M. Williams wrote:
mapp wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
Proton Soup wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:

"Potentially" ? As opposed to what, "impotentially" ?

Men are potentially abusive if they exhibit the symptoms of abusive
personalities but haven't actually hit a woman yet.

Such as?

Also it's both genders in approximately equal numbers. Men get
the wrap more often because men tend to be physically larger,
but there are plenty of abusive woman.

this has actually been confirmed by a study in Canada of all places.
... women are SLIGHTLY more likely to intitiate physical violence.

2) men are FAR less likely to
report minor assaults to police than women are.

Even when it includes a trip to the hospital to handle the damage. Been
there, done that, have a finallized divorce as a result. It signaled
the time to exit.

I have known a number of girls/women who think it acceptable to react
to a guy verbally teasing them by pinching him, giving him a little
shove, or punching him in the arm. I think that's an extremely bad
habit to let a girl develop. It incites violence, and it is *not* a
benign reaction to mere words. And someday, it will result in a guy
kicking the crap out them.

That does not justify the guy's actions. However, she is not
innocent, and his violent acts might not have occurred but for her
physical provocation.

Rough-housing that both parties view as rough-housing is NOT abuse.
Abuse comes from a competely different mental state. This is like
comparing sober driving and drunk driving and thinking they are the
same becaus ethey both involve driving. I get your point that it
needs to be viewed as an enabling step.

(Doug Freyburger) wrote:

John M. Williams wrote:

I have known a number of girls/women who think it acceptable to react
to a guy verbally teasing them by pinching him, giving him a little
shove, or punching him in the arm. I think that's an extremely bad
habit to let a girl develop. It incites violence, and it is *not* a
benign reaction to mere words. And someday, it will result in a guy
kicking the crap out them.

That does not justify the guy's actions. However, she is not
innocent, and his violent acts might not have occurred but for her
physical provocation.

Rough-housing that both parties view as rough-housing is NOT abuse.
Abuse comes from a competely different mental state. This is like
comparing sober driving and drunk driving and thinking they are the
same becaus ethey both involve driving. I get your point that it
needs to be viewed as an enabling step.

Think of it, to use your example, as driving after drinking just
enough to remain under the legal limit. It presents risks that are
not healthy.

Consensual rough-housing is not abuse. It's not necessarily a good
idea, either. I think I recall someone talking recently about martial
arts sparring with his wife. I learned during my first marriage that
it's not such a good idea. One spouse gets a little over-competitive,
and it escalates.

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:41:06 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Proton Soup writes:

Hmmm, violent metaphors you say. When I was growing up, and doing
something particularly annoying, my mother would often say "You're
cruisin' for a bruisin' !". And all this time, I thought it was just
a playful reprimand. LIttle did I know that Mom was right on the
verge of kicking my ass.

If it is a fixed phrase, it may not portend violence. And women are far
less likely to become violent than men, so the rules are a bit
different.

Sorry, you're not getting off that easily. Why is it that women
always want to shrug off responsibility?

And speaking of controlling attitudes, ever hear the term
"manipulative bitch" ?

Sure. Lots of abusive men use it in court transcripts.

Oh yeah, I forgot, they're manipulative. And irresponsible. They can
always use the "I'm just a girl" defense. Pout, cry, turn on the
tears. Men are just suckers for that.

Proton Soup

"Larry Hodges" writes:

Proton Soup wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:38:53 GMT, "miranda" wrote:


John M. Williams wrote in message
.. .
(Keith Hobman) wrote:
"Larry Hodges" wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote:
Proton Soup writes:

Bull****. I've known plenty of girls who get off on guys
fighting
over them.

But not on guys fighting in general.

Now wait a minute. We're not really "fighting". Think of it as a
game
of
chess...just with a little more contact. But it's still a game of
strategy,
whit, cunning and deception. What's not to get wet about over that
mix?

Whit does nothing for me in that way, although some of the wimmins
like
him.

He always brings donuts.

the secret to perky chesticles.

Krispy Kreme makes my nipples hard, too. I thought it was just me.

Proton Soup

lol...I can see I need to not only spell check, but use the proper word
usage with this crew. There's no slack cut here.

Nina gets annoyed if slack gets folded, spindled, mutilated, or cut.


D.

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