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Old October 7th, 2003, 03:04 PM
Mr. F. Le Mur
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On 7 Oct 2003 13:53:10 GMT, Ignoramus20526
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-Are you a Korean? I had a Korean girlfriend a very long time ago and
-she told me that there are no fat Koreans.
-

ha! No, I'm not Korean, pretty much standard N. European;
none of my relatives ever got fat either, that I know of.


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Old October 7th, 2003, 03:40 PM
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Ignoramus20526 wrote:

In article , Mr F Le Mur
wrote:
On 7 Oct 2003 13:53:10 GMT, Ignoramus20526
wrote:

-Are you a Korean? I had a Korean girlfriend a very long time ago and
-she told me that there are no fat Koreans.
-

ha! No, I'm not Korean, pretty much standard N. European;
none of my relatives ever got fat either, that I know of.



I have always been curious about slim people who eat all they want
etc. Myself, I am at normal weight, but I need to watch what I eat
like a hawk to not regain weight. It is not that difficult, but it
takes some effort. I do not eat junk food, sugar etc.

What would be your typical day's eating? Can you elaborate a little?
You make no effort to stay slim at all? It is just natural?

i


I am married to a man who is "naturally slim"; he's been the same
weight since highschool. It would appear to the naked eye that
he "eats all he wants" but in reality, it all tends to balance out.
For instance, he'll eat a huge thanksgiving dinner, but then
the next day, he won't feel like eating very much. The times he
eats even a "normal" larger amount, is followed by times when
he just doesn't want to eat. I've observed his eating patterns
very closely. It's not something he does consciously, but just
cause ----- effect. I, on the other hand, have often eaten
when *not* hungry, just for something to do. I didn't let the
fact that I was already sated stop me from enjoying that
yummy second helping of fruit salad, for instance. My husband
on the other hand, listens to his body. He's never "counted
calories", or fat grams or carb grams a day in his life.

I've found, since eliminating foods I was sensitive to (for health
reasons) my body is starting to "naturally" do the same thing.

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Old October 7th, 2003, 03:50 PM
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Ignoramus20526 wrote:

That's very interesting CM. So, your husband eats all he wants, but he
does not want that much, right? Does he eat sweets and junk food?


From time to time, yes. For instance, yesterday at the office,
someone brought in Lindt Lindor chocolates, and he ate
quite a bit of them. I noticed he didn't eat a lot of supper
when he came home.

He also was not very interested in snacks when we went
out to a movie last night (School of Rock, which I highly recommend,
btw).

As a general rule, as parents who are raising 5 children, we tend to
not have lots of sweets and junk food in the house.

Makes it easier for me to resist it anyway LOL...

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Old October 7th, 2003, 04:08 PM
Mr. F. Le Mur
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On 7 Oct 2003 14:18:06 GMT, Ignoramus20526
wrote:

-In article , Mr F Le Mur wrote:
- On 7 Oct 2003 13:53:10 GMT, Ignoramus20526

- wrote:
-
- -Are you a Korean? I had a Korean girlfriend a very long time ago and
- -she told me that there are no fat Koreans.
- -
-
- ha! No, I'm not Korean, pretty much standard N. European;
- none of my relatives ever got fat either, that I know of.
-
-
-
-I have always been curious about slim people who eat all they want
-etc. Myself, I am at normal weight, but I need to watch what I eat
-like a hawk to not regain weight. It is not that difficult, but it
-takes some effort. I do not eat junk food, sugar etc.
-
-What would be your typical day's eating? Can you elaborate a little?
-You make no effort to stay slim at all? It is just natural?

No effort at all. I've tried to do the opposite, by stuffing my
face whenever I could stand it, when I wanted to gain weight; I
gained weight, but it was all muscle, since that was about 30
years ago when I was lifting weights - striations and veins and
that kinda ****. When I was working out I looked like a middle-
weight boxer you might see on TV (and was one, too, though pretty
half-assedly - definitely not on TV), but now I look kinda like
a freshman college basketball player. Not too bad for 50,
I'll wager.
FWIW, at different periods I might eat anything from three big
meals a day to one big meal every other day, plus cookies or
some such. It's seems like the more I eat the more I want to
eat. I'm hungry right now and would eat a big, greasy bacon
'n' eggs breakfast with extra bacon* and plenty of toast with
butter and sugary jelly if someone put it in front of me, but
otherwise I'm too lazy to mess with it - it's easier to be
hungry. I know a couple of other people like this and they
seem to be dark-haired with British ancestors. Plus, like
you said, a lot of Oriental people don't seem to get fat.

My free advice to people concerned about getting fat is to
quit thinking that it's terrible to feel hungry, and probably
also quit "couting calories" and other things that turn food
into something symbolic or an intermittent reward; like
instead of thinking about what you're supposed to eat and when
and how much, think about staying hungry as long as you can.
Then when you've been hungry long enough, eat whatever you
feel like eating. Dunno if that's all bull**** or not, but
it's what I do by default.

*I just talked myself into heading over to the
Breafast King!


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Old October 7th, 2003, 04:28 PM
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Mr. F. Le Mur writes:

I wonder about that though, since I never get fat no matter how
much I eat.


That's because you don't eat that much. If you tried to eat as much as
the average fat person, you might feel stuffed and sick.

FWIW, I eat whatever I feel like eating, and it's usually
high in fat and sugar.


Only calories matter with respect to weight; you can eat anything you
want.

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Old October 7th, 2003, 04:30 PM
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Ignoramus20526 writes:

I am curious, why do some people want to eat more and
some people want to eat less. Any ideas?


That's the $64,000 question. If you can answer it, you can find a way
to make fat people want to eat less, thereby allowing them to lose
weight.

There are surely physiological causes, but most of it, I think, is
psychological. Americans are some of the fattest people in the world,
and yet physiologically they are just like Europeans, who are far less
prone to obesity. The biological side is the same--so the psychological
side must be different. All the evidence I've personally seen supports
this.

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Old October 7th, 2003, 04:37 PM
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Mr. F. Le Mur writes:

... it's easier to be hungry.


Very revealing. For fat people, it's _never_ easier to be hungry! They
_will_ go out and find a place to eat. This reluctance on your part
alone may be sufficient to explain why you are not fat.

My free advice to people concerned about getting fat is to
quit thinking that it's terrible to feel hungry, and probably
also quit "couting calories" and other things that turn food
into something symbolic or an intermittent reward; like
instead of thinking about what you're supposed to eat and when
and how much, think about staying hungry as long as you can.


Not a bad idea. But a characteristic of fat people is that they cannot
tolerate hunger, nor does anything seem to distract them from hunger.
My extremely fat grandmother had to stop to eat several times a day,
whether she actually felt hungry or not, and no matter what she was
doing. No wonder she was extremely fat.

Then when you've been hungry long enough, eat whatever you
feel like eating.


Not a good idea. Fat people usually feel like eating a great deal.

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Old October 7th, 2003, 05:24 PM
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Mxsmanic wrote:

Mr. F. Le Mur writes:

I wonder about that though, since I never get fat no matter how
much I eat.


That's because you don't eat that much. If you tried to eat as much as
the average fat person, you might feel stuffed and sick.


I've lost over 70 pounds, and to eat the way I used to eat would leave
me feeling very stuffed and sick.

The simple answer to "why was I so fat" (I still have a bit to go) is
that I ate too much. It was a major fluke that I discovered WHY I
was eating too much. I thought it was because I had no self control.
That IS true, when faced with certain kinds of foods.

For health reasons, I found myself eliminating foods containing
refined sugar and flour, dyes, additives. Upon embarking on this
new way of life, I found that not only was I making better food
selections, I also was NOT constantly craving craving craving.
I suppose you can call it a low-carb way of life, but I eat real
fruit on a regular basis (I don't go searching for "low carb tang"
or any crap like that)

"Eat less" is the very obvious answer to "how to lose weight".
However it's extremely PAINLESS to start eating less when totally
getting rid of the foods that trigger those cravings. It takes
brutal honesty with oneself to determine exactly which foods they
are for you, personally.

We live in a world where if we describe a diet in which flour and
sugar are eliminated totally (and yes, it's in "everything" packaged,
in one form or another - under different names), as well as chemical
additives that are not fit for human consumption but somehow made
it into the classification of food.... we eliminate that and people think
of it as a "highly restrictive diet".

It's amazing because over a hundred years ago, half of the stuff that
people would "feel deprived" without, didn't even exist.

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Today's weight: 180.5 lb || Goal/Maintenance: 140 lb
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Old October 7th, 2003, 05:46 PM
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Crafting Mom writes:

It takes brutal honesty with oneself to determine
exactly which foods they are for you, personally.


I think that, for most people, foods with a high glycemic index are the
most risky. But it depends on the individual. Some people can't resist
a baked potato with sour cream--but I hate that. On the other hand, I
love vanilla custard, and I have a weakness for Oreo cookies.

It may be a matter of just avoiding any food if you find that you can't
resist eating "more than just one" at a sitting.

We live in a world where if we describe a diet in which flour and
sugar are eliminated totally (and yes, it's in "everything" packaged,
in one form or another - under different names), as well as chemical
additives that are not fit for human consumption but somehow made
it into the classification of food.... we eliminate that and people think
of it as a "highly restrictive diet".


That IS a highly restrictive diet, and those extremes are not usually
necessary.

Remember, lots of people remain thin even while eating refined flour and
sugar, so it's not just that. I have no weakness for refined sugar at
all (I hate very sweet foods, as a general rule), for example.



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Old October 7th, 2003, 05:49 PM
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Ignoramus20526 writes:

don't you think that Europeans also move more?


It depends on where they live. Here in Paris, they move around a great
deal, because the city is built that way. In other towns, this might
not be true.

I cannot claim this as a fact, but I feel that moving was more
significant and central to my weight loss than dieting, as such. That
when I started really exercising (walking 100 minutes per day) my
appetite returned to more normal. Again, it is just speculation.


Exercising never does any harm. I try to get as much as I can, but
exercising alone isn't sufficient to create a calorie deficit that will
result in significant weight loss over reasonable periods.

Incidentally, I am now a public transportation user -- I walk 40
minutes to train plus 10 minutes from train to work. I am very lucky
having this opportunity.


I used to walk all the way from work to home and vice versa--seven miles
and two hours. But it was enjoyable in good weather, and it burned
700-800 calories, too.

Today I walk an average of about two hours (10 kilometres) per day.

Also, I feel that recommendations given to fat people regarding
exercise are inadequate. Spending 30 minutes 3 times a week is not
enough to return to a more normal appetite/metabolism and burn any
appreciable quantity of fat.


Fat people need to eat less. It's almost impossible to do anything
significant with exercise alone, especially when a person is very fat.

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