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Old April 7th, 2004, 11:19 PM
becky
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I don't find cutting fat completely out of my diet works either. Its
good to have some fat, its healthy. I've stopped trying to cut off
all the fat trimings on my steaks now. LOL.


Robert Klute wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:11:41 +0800, "Moosh" wrote:


So it's just another calorie controlled diet? No wonder it mostly
fails. What's wrong with a balanced, varied, wholefood diet?
Cutting calories is much easier if you cut fat. Much more "bang for
the buck".


Wrong. At least for me. I found cutting calories easier when I put fat
back in my diet and reduced refined carbohydrates. I feel full longer
when there is sufficient fat in my diet. When I ate a low fat diet, I
had hunger cravings frequently.

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Old April 8th, 2004, 12:14 AM
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"becky" wrote in message
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I don't find cutting fat completely out of my diet works either. Its
good to have some fat, its healthy. I've stopped trying to cut off
all the fat trimings on my steaks now. LOL.

especially when it's crispy from the grill. My DH and sons look at me like I
am insane when they see me nibbling at the crispy fat on the side of my
steak.

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Old April 8th, 2004, 07:40 AM
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"bencon" wrote in message
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So if we are supposed to have carbs to fuel us throughout the day and

night
like you say then when is the stored fat going to get used?


How about when we are working out or doing anything active??!!


Requires ketosis its being made to sound like we should never get into that
state.


What has happened that no one gets any exercise anymore? Any type of
diet that completely cuts an element out is wrong.


Somehow I cant see it being wrong to cut refined sugar, white flour and the
likes from my diet but as for cutting a whole element then yes your right
its wrong thats why low carb way of eating doesnt.


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Old April 8th, 2004, 12:32 PM
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"Dwayne" wrote in message
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Requires ketosis its being made to sound like we should never get into

that
state.


No, what we mean is that spending your whole life in ketosis is wrong. Being
under fat metabolism during an aerobic effort, or before a meal because
you're hungry is just part of how our bodies work all the time.


What has happened that no one gets any exercise anymore? Any type of
diet that completely cuts an element out is wrong.


Somehow I cant see it being wrong to cut refined sugar, white flour and

the
likes from my diet but as for cutting a whole element then yes your right
its wrong thats why low carb way of eating doesnt.


I don't see what's being wrong with eating white flour or refined sugar from
time to time. There is no reason to cut these either. Glycemic index is
actually modifed by what you eat. If I eat my white bread as part of a
sandwich with both proteins and fat, the meal as a whole is going to have a
low glycemic index. If I eat my sugar inside my chocolate, it gets a low
glycemic index (70% cocoa chocolate = index of 20). If I eat my white bread
as part of a decent and balanced meal, the overall glycemic index is also
going to be reasonnable. Likewise if I eat my pasta with a complex sauce and
some fibers. Just like fruits tend to have a reasonnable glycemic index
because of their fiber content.
Besides, the problem with low carbing is that it's like religions : people
see their own way as THE way. So, you have low carbers who see this as an
excuse to eat plenty of animal fat without restriction. You have low carbers
who think re-carbing is part of a low carb diet. You have others, like you,
who think that low carbing is in fact slow carbing. So, in a way, you are
among the reasonnable part of the low carbers. Depending on your daily
intake of these slow carbs, you might actually be doing something pretty
close to a balanced diet! The problem is that when people talk about the
amazing results of low carbs, it's often impossible to know which precise
low carbing religion they're talking about. So, it appears like the most
extremists ways of low carbing (like eating plenty of meat and fat with no
pasta - you know these do exist!) are getting incredible results, which I
honestly doubt.
Eh, if I look at what I eat daily and if I remove all the slow carbs, most
of my days are pretty low on fast carbs (high glycemic index), probably
under 10-20g. On the other days, I can still pretend I'm re-carding. Anyway,
even on these days, glycemic index remains reasonnably low. Can I pretend to
be a low carber as well?


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Old April 8th, 2004, 06:40 PM
Dwayne
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"Lictor" wrote in message
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"Dwayne" wrote in message
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Requires ketosis its being made to sound like we should never get into

that
state.


No, what we mean is that spending your whole life in ketosis is wrong.

Being
under fat metabolism during an aerobic effort, or before a meal because
you're hungry is just part of how our bodies work all the time.


And once you get to maintenance you should be in in the same metabolic state
as any other person for the most part.


What has happened that no one gets any exercise anymore? Any type of
diet that completely cuts an element out is wrong.


Somehow I cant see it being wrong to cut refined sugar, white flour and

the
likes from my diet but as for cutting a whole element then yes your

right
its wrong thats why low carb way of eating doesnt.


I don't see what's being wrong with eating white flour or refined sugar

from
time to time. There is no reason to cut these either. Glycemic index is
actually modifed by what you eat. If I eat my white bread as part of a
sandwich with both proteins and fat, the meal as a whole is going to have

a
low glycemic index. If I eat my sugar inside my chocolate, it gets a low
glycemic index (70% cocoa chocolate = index of 20). If I eat my white

bread
as part of a decent and balanced meal, the overall glycemic index is also
going to be reasonnable. Likewise if I eat my pasta with a complex sauce

and
some fibers. Just like fruits tend to have a reasonnable glycemic index
because of their fiber content.
Besides, the problem with low carbing is that it's like religions : people
see their own way as THE way. So, you have low carbers who see this as an
excuse to eat plenty of animal fat without restriction. You have low

carbers
who think re-carbing is part of a low carb diet. You have others, like

you,
who think that low carbing is in fact slow carbing. So, in a way, you are
among the reasonnable part of the low carbers. Depending on your daily
intake of these slow carbs, you might actually be doing something pretty
close to a balanced diet! The problem is that when people talk about the
amazing results of low carbs, it's often impossible to know which precise
low carbing religion they're talking about. So, it appears like the most
extremists ways of low carbing (like eating plenty of meat and fat with no
pasta - you know these do exist!) are getting incredible results, which I
honestly doubt.


doubt it all you like the results are speaking for themselves to me and
thats what all the doubters and naysayers are ignoring people are following
the WOE sticking to it not feeling hungry all the time feeling a whole lot
better than they did before in oh so many ways and they are happy.


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Old April 8th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Doug Freyburger
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Lictor wrote:

No, what we mean is that spending your whole life in ketosis is wrong.


Whew. Since there is not one low carb plan in existance that does this,
your point is irrelevant. Lictor, you do fine when you discuss issues
other than low carb. You need to either read at least one low carb
book so you actually know something about the topic, or stick to the
several topics that you *do* know about. But please drop these false
statements about low carb you've been making. It distracts from your
posts that do have value.

I don't see what's being wrong with eating white flour or refined sugar from
time to time. There is no reason to cut these either.


You're not wheat intolerant (or you are without knowing it). You're
not hypoglycemic with reactive insulin reactions. Many people *do*
have those problems and they *should* avoid foods. Also note that
no harm is ever done by avoiding those foods.

Avoiding white flour and/or refined sugar is mandatory for some,
beneficial to many, and harmfull to none.

Besides, the problem with low carbing is that it's like religions : people
see their own way as THE way.


Nope. We get plenty of antis telling us we're wrong, though.
Funny how the antis always end up making ridiculously false
statements to arrive at their conclusions, though.

You have low carbers who think re-carbing is part of a low
carb diet. You have others, like you,
who think that low carbing is in fact slow carbing.


And your point is? Other than not knowing enough about low carb
to be able to tell what is on topic and what is not ...

Carb ups and glycemic index are indeed parts of several well
known low carb plans and they are available to all based on the
science that low carbing is based upon.

Eh, if I look at what I eat daily and if I remove all the slow carbs, most
of my days are pretty low on fast carbs (high glycemic index), probably
under 10-20g. On the other days, I can still pretend I'm re-carding. Anyway,
even on these days, glycemic index remains reasonnably low. Can I pretend to
be a low carber as well?


Not until you actually learn about it for real.
 




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