Tough to write and even tougher to understand

Well, with that being said, here goes.
I started the atkins diet on May 6th and have lost approximately 23 Lbs
on the way to the 175 I want to be leaving me at 193 now. Clothes
fit-even some I had not worn in a long time.
Obviously the plan works and I cannot see why anyone is remarkably obese
other than there must be a reason that is not understandably-at least my
me. If one is morbidly obese, then take a month or two off and deal with it.

The problem I have is that I am not young and found myself at 6 feet and
216 pounds and not comfortable, looking lousy in the mirror and needed
to deal with it. At this stage in life hardly anything works like it
should and that, along with the loss of foods that I really enjoy leaves
me missing things that are or were important to me.
This late is life is hardly the time to consider eating a bowl or two of
popcorn or an ice cream cone as something that is wrong. However, I
understand that it is not in my best interest to go even so slightly
that route less the lack of self control moves in...

Sure I will continue on to the 175 and try to keep that weight---have
only been losing 1 to 1.5 lbs a week for the last 2 or 3 and it is due
to the pre maintenance ideas.

Pretty depressing when you look worse and old, sex is not anywhere near
what it used to be, you are not attractive to anyone, you can't repair
your own car, you can't get exercise by walking because the knees are
shot and now you can't eat foods you enjoy!

You go to the movies, lay out your $15 or so and have to drink a bottle
of water and think about the $10 extra large free refill popcorn out
there being eaten by these people with a little belly on them. This is
just after you went to a nice restaurant with an all you can eat salad
bar and you find that there is not much there that will help keep you
under 20 carbs a day. Sure I am off maintenance but still try to keep at 20.

Life turns out to be a bitch when it should be getting better!

Youth is really wasted on the young....

Thanks for listening-I think it helped me to say it.
Bob

OMG.... Help me here. I am 62. T2 diabetic....who falls from grace
constantly...(diet wise). I also quit smoking 14...15 months
ago....promptly gained 30#....I am sooooo disheartened. So how do I lose
this? How do I keep motivated to NOT SMOKE?..... I love every food
morsel I put in my mouth and dream of more...... can anyone give me
suggestions for carb/calorie/food control????


"bob abrams" wrote in message
...
Well, with that being said, here goes.
I started the atkins diet on May 6th and have lost approximately 23 Lbs on
the way to the 175 I want to be leaving me at 193 now. Clothes fit-even
some I had not worn in a long time.
Obviously the plan works and I cannot see why anyone is remarkably obese
other than there must be a reason that is not understandably-at least my
me. If one is morbidly obese, then take a month or two off and deal with
it.

The problem I have is that I am not young and found myself at 6 feet and
216 pounds and not comfortable, looking lousy in the mirror and needed to
deal with it. At this stage in life hardly anything works like it should
and that, along with the loss of foods that I really enjoy leaves me
missing things that are or were important to me.
This late is life is hardly the time to consider eating a bowl or two of
popcorn or an ice cream cone as something that is wrong. However, I
understand that it is not in my best interest to go even so slightly that
route less the lack of self control moves in...

Sure I will continue on to the 175 and try to keep that weight---have only
been losing 1 to 1.5 lbs a week for the last 2 or 3 and it is due to the
pre maintenance ideas.

Pretty depressing when you look worse and old, sex is not anywhere near
what it used to be, you are not attractive to anyone, you can't repair
your own car, you can't get exercise by walking because the knees are shot
and now you can't eat foods you enjoy!

You go to the movies, lay out your $15 or so and have to drink a bottle of
water and think about the $10 extra large free refill popcorn out there
being eaten by these people with a little belly on them. This is just
after you went to a nice restaurant with an all you can eat salad bar and
you find that there is not much there that will help keep you under 20
carbs a day. Sure I am off maintenance but still try to keep at 20.

Life turns out to be a bitch when it should be getting better!

Youth is really wasted on the young....

Thanks for listening-I think it helped me to say it.
Bob

Brenda wrote:
"bob abrams" wrote:

.... This is just
after you went to a nice restaurant with an all you can eat salad bar and
you find that there is not much there that will help keep you under 20
carbs a day. Sure I am off maintenance but still try to keep at 20.

There are a lot more reasons to move up the carb ladder and increase
your quota than it says that in the instructions. One item in the list
is doing that plans for maintenance. To fail to plan is to plan to
fail - So move on up and start planning for maintenance. The loss
phases only last until the weight is gone but maintenance lasts until
you fall off it or decide to gain the weight back.

OMG.... Help me here. I am 62. T2 diabetic....who falls from grace
constantly...(diet wise). I also quit smoking 14...15 months
ago....promptly gained 30#....I am sooooo disheartened. So how do I lose
this? How do I keep motivated to NOT SMOKE?..... I love every food
morsel I put in my mouth and dream of more...... can anyone give me
suggestions for carb/calorie/food control????

Low carbing is the best option for more T2 folks. Get one of the books,
read it, follow the instructions in it including the parts you don't
understand or don't agree with. Take advantage of the fact that the
authors of the books have put a decade or more of study into the topic
so the books contain instructions that are not obvious that work better
than the obvious. And work with your doctor on your med levels as it's
likely that as you reduce your carb intake you'll need less.

There's a feature of low carbing that most newbies don't believe until
they experience it themselves. The carb cravings really do go away
after a couple of days through a couple of weeks. It's hard to start
but easy to stay on.

For motivation you have to want to start more than you want that next
bite of junk food. But there's a feature of low carb that does not
exist in some of the other plan types - One bite can hurt. High carb
and/or food intolerance items can trigger insulin swings and/or
addictive behavior patterns. Being in control of your food has to feel
better to you than being out of control because you had cake.

In addition to being hard to start but easy to stay on it's also easy to
fall off and hard to get back on. But being in control and feeling
better is worth that.

Doug Freyburger wrote:
For motivation you have to want to start more than you want that next
bite of junk food.

While it might help you to refrain from carbs by labeling them junk food, that
doesn't work for everyone--including me. Fruits, starchy vegetables and whole
grains are not junk foods. My carb problems reside with those foods rather than
junk. I have no problem staying away from processed foods, white flour and
refined sugar.

Orlando

In article ,
Alfred Matej wrote:

On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:53:13 -0400, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:

Doug Freyburger wrote:
For motivation you have to want to start more than you want that next
bite of junk food.

While it might help you to refrain from carbs by labeling them junk food,
that
doesn't work for everyone--including me. Fruits, starchy vegetables and
whole
grains are not junk foods. My carb problems reside with those foods rather
than
junk. I have no problem staying away from processed foods, white flour and
refined sugar.

Orlando

Sounds like junk food to me. Maybe with the friuits you can watch your
portions and selection. Like avoid bananas. Also, grains are for birds.
Grains are not people food.

But with 9 billion people expected for 2050, and 12 billion by 2067,
grain is the most efficient way of providing calories to the hungry of
the world. Of course we could institute birth control measures, but that
seems unlikely, as we aren't even talking about it, unlike global
warming, which we talk about, but then, don't do anything to stop.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/2...al_crime_scene

In article ,
bob abrams wrote:

Well, with that being said, here goes.
I started the atkins diet on May 6th and have lost approximately 23 Lbs
on the way to the 175 I want to be leaving me at 193 now. Clothes
fit-even some I had not worn in a long time.
Obviously the plan works and I cannot see why anyone is remarkably obese
other than there must be a reason that is not understandably-at least my
me. If one is morbidly obese, then take a month or two off and deal with it.

Yes. In about 13 months I have lost 90 pounds on a low carb diet and
gone from 46" waist pants to 40" which are now loose or 38 if I want
tight pants. This is the magnitude of what would expect from gastric
surgery without the pain and risks.

Every one I know who have lost *major* weight and kept it off has done
it through low carbing. The think is if you have tried the low carb, low
calorie diet many times and it hasn't worked, maybe one should try the
low carb approach.

--
All BP's money, and all the President's men,
Cannot put the Gulf of Mexico together again.

Billy wrote:
Alfred Matej wrote:
Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

For motivation you have to want to start more than you want that next
bite of junk food.

While it might help you to refrain from carbs by labeling them junk food,
that
doesn't work for everyone--including me. Fruits, starchy vegetables and
whole
grains are not junk foods. My carb problems reside with those foods rather
than
junk. I have no problem staying away from processed foods, white flour and
refined sugar.

Sounds like junk food to me. Maybe with the friuits you can watch your
portions and selection. Like avoid bananas. Also, grains are for birds.
Grains are not people food.

Actually grains aren't good for most birds, either. Grain makes
chickens and turkeys fat just like it makes humans fat. The difference
is humans want chickens and turkeys to get fat so we do it on purpose to
them. If you don't see a type of bird in the wild eating grass chances
are grain isn't food for that type of bird. I see wild geese eating
grass so they are "the exception that proves the rule" to me.

There's a possible definition for junk food that works but I don't
believe it's what most people mean when the use the term -

A junk food is a type of food that when you eat it it makes you more
hungry not less hungry.

I'll go with that obscure and rare definition for what I meant. ;^)

The advantage of using such a definition for junk food it is is tuned to
each individual so it means something quite useful. The disadvantage of
using such a definition for junk food is it requires an experimental
process to figure out which foods do what to your hunger level. That's
more effort and organization than most ever put into their eating.

But with 9 billion people expected for 2050, and 12 billion by 2067,
grain is the most efficient way of providing calories to the hungry of
the world.

Economic reality does not reflect optimal health. Feeding so many
people can't be done with healthy foods therefore it has to be done with
unhealthy foods. It means the rich can afford healthy food while the
poor are stuck eating what is supposed to be fed to the cattle. That's
not happy news but it is the direction the world is headed.

The good news on world hunger is each year a smaller percentage of the
world population goes hungry. There's only a little more improvement to
go in that percentage before the absolute number of people who go hungry
starts going down. Across history well fed people have had fewer
children so feed the world and the crowding decreases, not that that has
ever happened yet in world history but it might and it is likely to
actually happen in the next few decades.

In article ,
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Billy wrote:
Alfred Matej wrote:
Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

For motivation you have to want to start more than you want that next
bite of junk food.

While it might help you to refrain from carbs by labeling them junk
food,
that
doesn't work for everyone--including me. Fruits, starchy vegetables and
whole
grains are not junk foods. My carb problems reside with those foods
rather
than
junk. I have no problem staying away from processed foods, white flour
and
refined sugar.

Sounds like junk food to me. Maybe with the friuits you can watch your
portions and selection. Like avoid bananas. Also, grains are for birds.
Grains are not people food.

Actually grains aren't good for most birds, either. Grain makes
chickens and turkeys fat just like it makes humans fat. The difference
is humans want chickens and turkeys to get fat so we do it on purpose to
them. If you don't see a type of bird in the wild eating grass chances
are grain isn't food for that type of bird. I see wild geese eating
grass so they are "the exception that proves the rule" to me.

There's a possible definition for junk food that works but I don't
believe it's what most people mean when the use the term -

A junk food is a type of food that when you eat it it makes you more
hungry not less hungry.

I'll go with that obscure and rare definition for what I meant. ;^)

The advantage of using such a definition for junk food it is is tuned to
each individual so it means something quite useful. The disadvantage of
using such a definition for junk food is it requires an experimental
process to figure out which foods do what to your hunger level. That's
more effort and organization than most ever put into their eating.

But with 9 billion people expected for 2050, and 12 billion by 2067,
grain is the most efficient way of providing calories to the hungry of
the world.

Economic reality does not reflect optimal health. Feeding so many
people can't be done with healthy foods therefore it has to be done with
unhealthy foods. It means the rich can afford healthy food while the
poor are stuck eating what is supposed to be fed to the cattle.
It's not healthy for them either. Cattle typically spend 6 months in a
"concentrated animal feeding operation" (CAFO), anylonger than that and
they would die from stomach ulcers, because they are supposed to eat
grass. Grass contains omega-3, while grains contain omega-6 fatty oils.
Animals reflect what they eat. Michael Pollan once mused that since
farmed fish are fed grain, pastured beef may be healthier for you.
That's
not happy news but it is the direction the world is headed.

The good news on world hunger is each year a smaller percentage of the
world population goes hungry. There's only a little more improvement to
go in that percentage before the absolute number of people who go hungry
starts going down. Across history well fed people have had fewer
children so feed the world and the crowding decreases, not that that has
ever happened yet in world history but it might and it is likely to
actually happen in the next few decades.

What we need is population reduction. Most of the other problems would
nearly solve themselves with fewer people. In 2008 humanity went beyond
the planets carrying capacity for us by 20%. We need giant tax breaks
for those who forgo children, and a progressive tax structure for those
who continue to have children.

The World Without Us (Paperback)
by Alan Weisman
http://www.amazon.com/World-Without-...2427905/ref=sr
_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274206221&sr=1-1

Smilar to Jarod Diamond's "Guns, Germs, and Steel" in its breadth and
its readability.

Available at all good libraries near you.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/2...al_crime_scene

In article ,
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Billy wrote:
Alfred Matej wrote:
Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

For motivation you have to want to start more than you want that next
bite of junk food.

While it might help you to refrain from carbs by labeling them junk
food,
that
doesn't work for everyone--including me. Fruits, starchy vegetables and
whole
grains are not junk foods. My carb problems reside with those foods
rather
than
junk. I have no problem staying away from processed foods, white flour
and
refined sugar.

Sounds like junk food to me. Maybe with the friuits you can watch your
portions and selection. Like avoid bananas. Also, grains are for birds.
Grains are not people food.

Actually grains aren't good for most birds, either. Grain makes
chickens and turkeys fat just like it makes humans fat. The difference
is humans want chickens and turkeys to get fat so we do it on purpose to
them. If you don't see a type of bird in the wild eating grass chances
are grain isn't food for that type of bird. I see wild geese eating
grass so they are "the exception that proves the rule" to me.

There's a possible definition for junk food that works but I don't
believe it's what most people mean when the use the term -

A junk food is a type of food that when you eat it it makes you more
hungry not less hungry.

I'll go with that obscure and rare definition for what I meant. ;^)

The advantage of using such a definition for junk food it is is tuned to
each individual so it means something quite useful. The disadvantage of
using such a definition for junk food is it requires an experimental
process to figure out which foods do what to your hunger level. That's
more effort and organization than most ever put into their eating.

But with 9 billion people expected for 2050, and 12 billion by 2067,
grain is the most efficient way of providing calories to the hungry of
the world.

Economic reality does not reflect optimal health. Feeding so many
people can't be done with healthy foods therefore it has to be done with
unhealthy foods. It means the rich can afford healthy food while the
poor are stuck eating what is supposed to be fed to the cattle. That's
not happy news but it is the direction the world is headed.

The good news on world hunger is each year a smaller percentage of the
world population goes hungry. There's only a little more improvement to
go in that percentage before the absolute number of people who go hungry
starts going down. Across history well fed people have had fewer
children so feed the world and the crowding decreases, not that that has
ever happened yet in world history but it might and it is likely to
actually happen in the next few decades.

Meanwhile we got problems maintaining the present standard of living.
And doing that while the other societies improve above subsistence is
going to be very, difficult.

We are doing irrigation with mined fossil water. The water tables are
dropping world wide and the Arid Zone in the American West is returning
to normal rainfall.

Meanwhile the politicians can think of no way out except growth, if they
want to be politicians.

--
All BP's money, and all the President's men,
Cannot put the Gulf of Mexico together again.

In article ,
Walter Bushell wrote:

The good news on world hunger is each year a smaller percentage of the
world population goes hungry. There's only a little more improvement to
go in that percentage before the absolute number of people who go hungry
starts going down. Across history well fed people have had fewer
children so feed the world and the crowding decreases, not that that has
ever happened yet in world history but it might and it is likely to
actually happen in the next few decades.

Meanwhile we got problems maintaining the present standard of living.
It's not a problem, because it ain't gonna happen. This generation will
not be better off than their parents, and on average won't live as long
due to changes in agriculture and diet, and the fouling of the
environment with man made chemicals.
And doing that while the other societies improve above subsistence is
going to be very, difficult.
Who says that they will improve? There is no one at the wheel of
leadership except kleptomaniacs, who just want more, and refuse to
believe that we live in a finite world. We have global warming, and
nothing is being done, except talk. We have over population, and nothing
is being done, not even talk.

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
Fact, the world has divided into rich and poor as at no time in our
history. The richest 2% own more than half the household wealth in the
world. The richest 10% hold 85% of total global assets and the bottom
half of humanity owns less than 1% of the wealth in the world. The three
richest men in the world have more money than the poorest 48 countries.
Fact, while those responsible for the 2008 global financial crisis were
bailed out and even rewarded by the G-20 government¹s gathering here,
the International Labor Organization tells us that in 2009, 34 million
people were added to the global unemployed, swelling those ranks to 239
million, the highest ever recorded. Another 200 million are at risk in
precarious jobs and the World Bank tells us that at the end of 2010,
another 64 million will have lost their jobs. By 2030, more than half
the population of the megacities of the Global South will be
slumdwellers with no access to education, health care, water, or
sanitation. Fact, global climate change is rapidly advancing, claiming
at least 300,000 lives and $125 billion in damages every year. Called
the silent crisis, climate change is melting glaciers, eroding soil,
causing freak and increasingly wild storms, displacing untold millions
from rural communities to live in desperate poverty in peri-urban
centers. Almost every victim lives in the Global South in communities
not responsible for greenhouse gas emissions and not represented here at
the summit.
-----

And for all of Doug's good thoughts, famine is just around the corner.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100607/ap_on_re_as/going_hungry
Surging costs hit food security in poorer nations
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/2...al_crime_scene