Calories vs fat grams

Chris Braun wrote in alt.support.diet on Fri, 20 Aug 2004:

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:13:53 +0100, Annabel Smyth
wrote:

I have sometimes had really fresh cob nuts, though, which are heaven!

I've never heard of cob nuts. I wonder if we have a different name
for them in the US. Any thoughts?

AKA hazel nuts, I believe.
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

Beverly wrote in alt.support.diet on Thu, 19 Aug 2004:

Here's a link to the recipe. I didn't add the hot sauce and baked it just a
little longer than stated. Next time I'm going to try substituting
something for the onions as they don't always agree with me.



http://tinyurl.com/46of7

Thank you.
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

Beverly wrote in alt.support.diet on Thu, 19 Aug 2004:

Here's a link to the recipe. I didn't add the hot sauce and baked it just a
little longer than stated. Next time I'm going to try substituting
something for the onions as they don't always agree with me.



http://tinyurl.com/46of7

Thank you.
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

Heywood Mogroot wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
Heywood Mogroot wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

There are low fat plans and there are low carb plans and there
are low calorie plans. They use different mechanisms so they
answer that question differently

cop out. Not all plans are equal.

OP asks a question that has an unrealized assumption that all
plans have the same basis. I tell the OP that all plans don't
have the same basis and to read the book. You call it a cop
out. Huh? Are you really recommending that Mermaid NOT read
the book, whatever book she picks?

I don't like the confrontational way I sound above, but I just think
this form of advice you give is rather pointless. The OP is not
considering one plan but several plans, and telling her to 'pick a
book' is just begging the question.

The problem is the original question was pointless but she didn't
know that. The OP is considering several plans but making the
assumption that they all use the same mechanism. They don't.
Her question inherrently cannot be answered until she has selected
a plan.

Low calorie, low fat and low carb plans work differently. They
cannot be compared in advance apples to apples. In studies, low
carb beats low fat by 4% for 6 months then the difference goes
away. Conclusion, the two give the same results. In studies,
folks get hungry on low calorie plan. Conclusion, they are
work. The types of conclusions that can be drawn from studies
comparing types of plans do *not* work, so questions that assume
they all have the same mechanism can not work.

The type of plan must be selected before the question can be
answered. Specifically because not all plans are equal.

Heywood Mogroot wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
Heywood Mogroot wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

There are low fat plans and there are low carb plans and there
are low calorie plans. They use different mechanisms so they
answer that question differently

cop out. Not all plans are equal.

OP asks a question that has an unrealized assumption that all
plans have the same basis. I tell the OP that all plans don't
have the same basis and to read the book. You call it a cop
out. Huh? Are you really recommending that Mermaid NOT read
the book, whatever book she picks?

I don't like the confrontational way I sound above, but I just think
this form of advice you give is rather pointless. The OP is not
considering one plan but several plans, and telling her to 'pick a
book' is just begging the question.

The problem is the original question was pointless but she didn't
know that. The OP is considering several plans but making the
assumption that they all use the same mechanism. They don't.
Her question inherrently cannot be answered until she has selected
a plan.

Low calorie, low fat and low carb plans work differently. They
cannot be compared in advance apples to apples. In studies, low
carb beats low fat by 4% for 6 months then the difference goes
away. Conclusion, the two give the same results. In studies,
folks get hungry on low calorie plan. Conclusion, they are
work. The types of conclusions that can be drawn from studies
comparing types of plans do *not* work, so questions that assume
they all have the same mechanism can not work.

The type of plan must be selected before the question can be
answered. Specifically because not all plans are equal.

"SnugBear" wrote in message
.4...
Beverly wrote:

Here's a link to the recipe. I didn't add the hot sauce and baked it
just a little longer than stated. Next time I'm going to try
substituting something for the onions as they don't always agree with
me.



http://tinyurl.com/46of7

Sounds yummy Beverly! I'd like the hot sauce though :-P

--
Walking (but mostly biking!) on . . .
Laurie in Maine
207/110 60 inches of attitude!
Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03

I'm going to make some more this weekend. My daughter also liked them. She
doesn't like the hot sauce but I think I'll add it to half the recipe for
myself. I'm also eyeing some of the shrimp recipes at this site - love hot
sauce on the shrimp and I have a couple bags in the freezer that need to be
used soon.

http://www.tabasco.com/taste_tent/ta...ipes/index.cfm

Beverly

"SnugBear" wrote in message
.4...
Beverly wrote:

Here's a link to the recipe. I didn't add the hot sauce and baked it
just a little longer than stated. Next time I'm going to try
substituting something for the onions as they don't always agree with
me.



http://tinyurl.com/46of7

Sounds yummy Beverly! I'd like the hot sauce though :-P

--
Walking (but mostly biking!) on . . .
Laurie in Maine
207/110 60 inches of attitude!
Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03

I'm going to make some more this weekend. My daughter also liked them. She
doesn't like the hot sauce but I think I'll add it to half the recipe for
myself. I'm also eyeing some of the shrimp recipes at this site - love hot
sauce on the shrimp and I have a couple bags in the freezer that need to be
used soon.

http://www.tabasco.com/taste_tent/ta...ipes/index.cfm

Beverly

(Doug Freyburger) wrote in message . com...
Heywood Mogroot wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
Heywood Mogroot wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Low calorie, low fat and low carb plans work differently. They
cannot be compared in advance apples to apples. In studies, low
carb beats low fat by 4% for 6 months then the difference goes
away.

I'm pretty sure the main study referenced by "these studies" was
flawed since it wasn't atkins but just very-low carb for the whole
year. Didn't you say yourself that many people on atkins who don't
raise their carbs to find their CCL will stall after around some
number of months???

Conclusion, the two give the same results.

I think that we can't make that conclusion since the main book diets
haven't actually been scientifically examined all that well.

In studies, folks get hungry on low calorie plan. Conclusion, they are
work.

There's "low calorie" like medifast and then there's reduced calorie,
like shooting for a 500 kcal/day deficit. I haven't ever tried the
former, but the latter is not particularly hunger-inducing, especially
after the first 3 or 4 days.

The types of conclusions that can be drawn from studies
comparing types of plans do *not* work, so questions that assume
they all have the same mechanism can not work.

That's were asd comes in. We can compare notes, assuming none of us
here are trying to sell something.

(Doug Freyburger) wrote in message . com...
Heywood Mogroot wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
Heywood Mogroot wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Low calorie, low fat and low carb plans work differently. They
cannot be compared in advance apples to apples. In studies, low
carb beats low fat by 4% for 6 months then the difference goes
away.

I'm pretty sure the main study referenced by "these studies" was
flawed since it wasn't atkins but just very-low carb for the whole
year. Didn't you say yourself that many people on atkins who don't
raise their carbs to find their CCL will stall after around some
number of months???

Conclusion, the two give the same results.

I think that we can't make that conclusion since the main book diets
haven't actually been scientifically examined all that well.

In studies, folks get hungry on low calorie plan. Conclusion, they are
work.

There's "low calorie" like medifast and then there's reduced calorie,
like shooting for a 500 kcal/day deficit. I haven't ever tried the
former, but the latter is not particularly hunger-inducing, especially
after the first 3 or 4 days.

The types of conclusions that can be drawn from studies
comparing types of plans do *not* work, so questions that assume
they all have the same mechanism can not work.

That's were asd comes in. We can compare notes, assuming none of us
here are trying to sell something.

Subject: Calories vs fat grams
From: "Mermaid"
Date: 8/18/2004 2:58 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

In trying to select my new eating program. I have a question. Which is more
important?
Counting calories or fat grams?

Both are equally important. You have to watch your fat intake, but if you eat
too much of anything it will make you fat.



I have seen people go both ways. I have some
cellulite and would like to deal with that too.

Any suggestions?




Thanks,
Mermaid