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Are eggs dangerous? (cholesterol, etc)
Ignoramus16172 wrote:
Those people who are afraid of eating cholesterol may take interest in this study. Apparently, eating eggs (2 eggs per day in one group) did not significantly increase cholesterol or any of its components. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum Egg consumption and endothelial function: a randomized controlled crossover trial. Katz DL, Evans MA, Nawaz H, Njike VY, Chan W, Comerford BP, Hoxley ML. Yale Prevention Research Center, 130 Division Street, Derby, CT 06418, USA. BACKGROUND: Because of egg cholesterol content, reduction in egg consumption is generally recommended to reduce risk of cardiovascular disease. Recently, however, evidence has been accumulating to suggest that dietary cholesterol is less relevant to cardiovascular risk than dietary saturated fat. There is mention of saturated fat though. -- Cheese http://cheesensweets.com/contact/cheese |
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Are eggs dangerous? (cholesterol, etc)
Ignoramus16172 wrote:
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:54:12 -0500, Cheese wrote: Ignoramus16172 wrote: Those people who are afraid of eating cholesterol may take interest in this study. Apparently, eating eggs (2 eggs per day in one group) did not significantly increase cholesterol or any of its components. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum Egg consumption and endothelial function: a randomized controlled crossover trial. Katz DL, Evans MA, Nawaz H, Njike VY, Chan W, Comerford BP, Hoxley ML. Yale Prevention Research Center, 130 Division Street, Derby, CT 06418, USA. BACKGROUND: Because of egg cholesterol content, reduction in egg consumption is generally recommended to reduce risk of cardiovascular disease. Recently, however, evidence has been accumulating to suggest that dietary cholesterol is less relevant to cardiovascular risk than dietary saturated fat. There is mention of saturated fat though. Yes, you are right, but it has very little with what they actually tried. It's a passing mention. For more fun, check this out. They say an interesting thing, that low carb diet improves cholesterol and triglycerides in diabetics, "but this was at the expense of an increase in relative saturated fat intake". One has to wonder as to just why "increase in relative saturated fat intake" is an "expense" if it improved condition of those diabetics. Oh well. Short-term effects of severe dietary carbohydrate-restriction advice in Type 2 diabetes--a randomized controlled trial. Daly ME, Paisey R, Paisey R, Millward BA, Eccles C, Williams K, Hammersley S, MacLeod KM, Gale TJ. Diabetes and Vascular Health Centre, Royal Devon and Exeter NHS Trust, Exeter, UK. OBJECTIVE: This study sought to examine the effects of a 3-month programme of dietary advice to restrict carbohydrate intake compared with reduced-portion, low-fat advice in obese subjects with poorly controlled Type 2 diabetes. RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS: One hundred and two patients with Type 2 diabetes were recruited across three centres and randomly allocated to receive group education and individual dietary advice. Weight, glycaemic control, lipids and blood pressure were assessed at baseline and 3 months. Dietary quality was assessed at the end of study. RESULTS: Weight loss was greater in the low-carbohydrate (LC) group (-3.55 +/- 0.63, mean +/- sem) vs. -0.92 +/- 0.40 kg, P = 0.001) and cholesterol : high-density lipoprotein (HDL) ratio improved (-0.48 +/- 0.11 vs. -0.10 +/- 0.10, P = 0.01). However, relative saturated fat intake was greater (13.9 +/- 0.71 vs. 11.0 +/- 0.47% of dietary intake, P 0.001), although absolute intakes were moderate. CONCLUSIONS: Carbohydrate restriction was an effective method of achieving short-term weight loss compared with standard advice, but this was at the expense of an increase in relative saturated fat intake. PMID: 16409560 [PubMed - in process] Ig, I mean no disrespect to you, but I don't like these studies. Specifically because they're taking carbs away from an obese person for 3 months. Perhaps I'm stereotyping but I'm guessing most not dieting obese people eat an extremely high carb percentage and therefore they're denying them most of what they're used to eating. This confusion causes all kinds of nutrient deficiencies and I think it shocks the body enough to yield temporary false readings. I'd be much happier with a study that tested a low carber at the 1, 5 and 10 year mark when they've learned to balance their nutrients instead of when they're still staring glossy eyed at a menu wondering what they're allowed to eat. I also find it strange that they only mention "reduced-portion" on the low-fat side. Do you believe you only have to reduce portions on a low fat diet? I don't. In fact, since fat has twice the calories of protein and carbs I'd argue that low fat is the only diet that might actually allow portion sizes to remain constant while decreasing calories. -- Cheese http://cheesensweets.com/contact/cheese |
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New low carber looking at a menu
Cheese wrote:
I'd be much happier with a study that tested a low carber at the 1, 5 and 10 year mark when they've learned to balance their nutrients instead of when they're still staring glossy eyed at a menu wondering what they're allowed to eat. CLASSIC description of what it felt like in the first few months of low carbing. Yet now I can glance at a menu and see the unlimited low carb options in a flash. Practice and learning a skill. |
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New low carber looking at a menu
"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message oups.com... Cheese wrote: I'd be much happier with a study that tested a low carber at the 1, 5 and 10 year mark when they've learned to balance their nutrients instead of when they're still staring glossy eyed at a menu wondering what they're allowed to eat. CLASSIC description of what it felt like in the first few months of low carbing. Yet now I can glance at a menu and see the unlimited low carb options in a flash. Practice and learning a skill. Salads are usually good, but not always. |
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Are eggs dangerous? (cholesterol, etc)
Ignoramus16172 wrote:
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:54:12 -0500, Cheese wrote: Ignoramus16172 wrote: Those people who are afraid of eating cholesterol may take interest in this study. Apparently, eating eggs (2 eggs per day in one group) did not significantly increase cholesterol or any of its components. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum Egg consumption and endothelial function: a randomized controlled crossover trial. Katz DL, Evans MA, Nawaz H, Njike VY, Chan W, Comerford BP, Hoxley ML. Yale Prevention Research Center, 130 Division Street, Derby, CT 06418, USA. BACKGROUND: Because of egg cholesterol content, reduction in egg consumption is generally recommended to reduce risk of cardiovascular disease. Recently, however, evidence has been accumulating to suggest that dietary cholesterol is less relevant to cardiovascular risk than dietary saturated fat. There is mention of saturated fat though. Yes, you are right, but it has very little with what they actually tried. It's a passing mention. For more fun, check this out. They say an interesting thing, that low carb diet improves cholesterol and triglycerides in diabetics, "but this was at the expense of an increase in relative saturated fat intake". One has to wonder as to just why "increase in relative saturated fat intake" is an "expense" if it improved condition of those diabetics. Oh well. In their secret hearts, they know saturated fats are bad ...... (and somehow, cholesterol has got to be bad too) Anyway, everybody knows that:.. .... "Low carb is unhealthy, and to not stab it every chance you get is unprofessional." Short-term effects of severe dietary carbohydrate-restriction advice in Type 2 diabetes--a randomized controlled trial. Daly ME, Paisey R, Paisey R, Millward BA, Eccles C, Williams K, Hammersley S, MacLeod KM, Gale TJ. Diabetes and Vascular Health Centre, Royal Devon and Exeter NHS Trust, Exeter, UK. OBJECTIVE: This study sought to examine the effects of a 3-month programme of dietary advice to restrict carbohydrate intake compared with reduced-portion, low-fat advice in obese subjects with poorly controlled Type 2 diabetes. RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS: One hundred and two patients with Type 2 diabetes were recruited across three centres and randomly allocated to receive group education and individual dietary advice. Weight, glycaemic control, lipids and blood pressure were assessed at baseline and 3 months. Dietary quality was assessed at the end of study. RESULTS: Weight loss was greater in the low-carbohydrate (LC) group (-3.55 +/- 0.63, mean +/- sem) vs. -0.92 +/- 0.40 kg, P = 0.001) and cholesterol : high-density lipoprotein (HDL) ratio improved (-0.48 +/- 0.11 vs. -0.10 +/- 0.10, P = 0.01). However, relative saturated fat intake was greater (13.9 +/- 0.71 vs. 11.0 +/- 0.47% of dietary intake, P 0.001), although absolute intakes were moderate. CONCLUSIONS: Carbohydrate restriction was an effective method of achieving short-term weight loss compared with standard advice, but this was at the expense of an increase in relative saturated fat intake. PMID: 16409560 [PubMed - in process] -- 1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book 2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book 3) Don't Diet Without Supplimental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins book 4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other) |
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Are eggs dangerous? (cholesterol, etc)
Ignoramus16172 wrote:
jbuch wrote: Ignoramus16172 wrote: For more fun, check this out. They say an interesting thing, that low carb diet improves cholesterol and triglycerides in diabetics, "but this was at the expense of an increase in relative saturated fat intake". One has to wonder as to just why "increase in relative saturated fat intake" is an "expense" if it improved condition of those diabetics. Oh well. In their secret hearts, they know saturated fats are bad ...... (and somehow, cholesterol has got to be bad too) Anyway, everybody knows that:.. ... "Low carb is unhealthy, and to not stab it every chance you get is unprofessional." I suspect that inserting phrases like "their cholesterol increased at the expense of increased saturated fat expense" is necessary to get articles published or to have favorable peer reviews. On the other hand, apparent inconsistencies could raise concerns of reviewers, who are there specifically to poke holes. Authors know that. You would point it out, so would I - and such possibility is not so farfetched. I reviewed for journals like Med Sci Sports Exerc, or Neuro-Oncology, that are far away from my circle of "crooked buddies" .... bzzz ... I mean, scholars of spherical poultry (http://home.nc.rr.com/netsink/DZ-UNC-02-22-06.jpg). This is typical, and I'd say that in general there is little incentive for a scientist to support a particular point of view. Reviewers that I know couldn't care less about what kind of games somebody tries to play in there, and call BS by what it is. Science now is as good as always at challenging consensus. I suppose that more likely, the authors are thinking that there might be other issues with saturated fat intake besides those that they studied in the paper (one could ask them directly by email given at PMID: 16409560 entry). |
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