Remember Dr ATKINS!!!!!!!!!!!

so be it. my position is still not negotiable.

I was attacked in other threads. I have since stopped posting to other
threads and resided here till the dust settles so at least normal denizens
can ignore this thread (damage control)

I am surprised no one has attacked my normal post night. maybe most have
decided to leave me alone. Nothing but normal friendly replies.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

"Steve" wrote in message
.com...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 3:33:14 -0400, Chris Taylor Jr wrote
(in message ):

if evertime I post you trolls hammer my threads with "this ****" then
people
will tend to avoid my threads. that is the SAME THING as preventing me
from
posting IE the end result is effectively the same.

You know, Pal, this is makes you out to be some kind of victim and
martyr. I haven't seen anyone "hammering" you in on-topic threads.
_You_ jumped into an off-topic thread on grammar and took positions
which were in-your-face, inflammatory, and controversial and you got
the response an "old usenet hand" like you should have expected... and
you continue to feed the fire instead of just letting it go.

Now you are trying to play poor, persecuted Chris who is only fighting
for Truth, Justice, and the American way against the Blue Meanies.

Sorry... doesn't wash. No crocodile tears here for you, sonny.

Steve

so be it.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

No plonk here....just a slow shake of the head and the fervent hope that
if my life ever becomes as hopeless and devoid of meaning as yours
surely seems to be, I will have the wisdom to recognize it and be honest
enough with myself to do something about it.

Regards, and I hope you find some on-topic threads here to which you are
able to contribute.
--
Wayne Crannell

Was that post an attack. ?

Was it a flame ?

Was it a taunt ? Redicule ? Insult ? of any kind shape or form.

NO it was a perfectly normal post/reply/opinion

My statement below was limited to attacks/flames/trollings etc..

I originated NOTHING of that sort and you know it.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

"Steve" wrote in message
.com...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 3:40:25 -0400, Chris Taylor Jr wrote
(in message ):

I never originated a SINGLE statement. NOT A SINGLE SENTENCE on ANY of
the
above topics. EVERY post has been a REPLY to an attack. this is not up
for
discussion. you can not DISCUSS it or ARGUE this. it is forever retained
in
news archives. google it. It is hard FACT not up for negotiation. I
started
absolutely NONE of this.

LOL :-)

Perhaps you forget your original post in this thread on Sept. 28:

well the problem with correcting people is this.

99% of the time the correction comes and is used in battle as part of
ones
attack on another. a way of side stepping the issue.

Personally I see Newsgroups like chat (on and off line)

its casual. I got sick of remembering which their or there to use. I
just
type which ever keys my fingers his.

In what way would you consider that not originating a statement?

Go back to bed, martyr-boy.

Steve

Below


I guess it was your evil twin, then.



Prove it. I NEVER originated a single post in this arena (IE a post that was
an attack/insult/flame etc. etc..)

my first post here was an attempt to "talk" to get "known" I got my ass torn
off for it. GO read my first post to this thread.


Second Ingredient.

they simply want to utter flame
bait

See above. all the same remarks apply. the attacks are meant just as
that.
attacks. not to further discussion not to talk about low carb. Just to
attack. Why ? Who knows that is why you are called TROLLS

Ah, you want to play the "you started it first" game.

Sorry. It doesn't work that way. You just posted six new messages to
this thread, just to keep the flamefest going.

Flame bait. All yours.

Sorry it does work that way. I may not start it but I will end it. its the
only way to make sure the ones attacking me are not likely to "start it"
again in the future. They will usually choose not to start it again in the
future because they know what I will do.

I will continue to reply till the flamers get the idea and leave me alone
(in so far as flames/trolls etc.. go)


Next ...

their is one ingredient you forgot about. Trolls tend to not hang around.
they usually drop their load and them fly off and watch the carnage from
a
distance.

There's all kinds of trolls. Look at Roose/Mu -- he keeps coming back,
ad nauseum, just to keep the negative attention coming. You're a
little like that, sweetie, begging to be paid attention to through
whining, bullying and posting challenges. Trolling, that's called.

actually I want LESS attention. that is the objective of this thread to me
now. although a side effect is more attention now the end result is FAR LESS
attention from undesirables later for fear of "this" kind of thread occuring
again. in order for this to work I must prevail. Stopping first would invite
future attacks and not satisfy the goal of LESS attention.

Next ...

you guys are like slime. you STICK and won't stop so ignoring does not
work.
you hammer at it and try to beat your victum into submission.

Pot, kettle, black. Who's the one who beat his chest and said that he
wouldn't ever stop responding to critical posts as a matter of pride?

Not critical. their is a VERY big different between a critical reply and
flames and attacks and insults. if you can not see this difference I am
sorry I thought you were more intelligent than that (and that is not meant
as an insult but as a matter of fact) they are NOT the same and you know it.

Being critical is me correcting my sister on how to prnounce a word. What
you guys do would be equivalent to me yelling outloud you IDIOT this is how
you say it. can you not get that.

they are very different beasts.


That would be you. Posting about ten times more often on this subject
than I am.

Outlasting persistant trolls is the only way I know to get them to leave me
alone. period. Submitting to them not being an option. I have no problem
saying ego will not allow that.


Sorry I am not a victum and I submit to NO ONE under any conditions.

You sure sound like you see yourself as a victim. "Wahhh, everyone's
picking on me! Wahhh, you guys started it! Wahhhh, I can't post
on-topic because I have to type 47 responses to the thread where
everyone is telling me that I'm a ****head!"

Yet my heart, strangely, does not bleed for you.

above "you" references those attacking me in general here.

Perhaps if you'd just admitted that English isn't your native tongue,
none of this would have happened, Yoda.


Perhaps if people would not become hostile none of this would have happened.

Wow what a thought.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

blah blah blah


"M.W. Smith" wrote in message
...

"Chris Taylor Jr" wrote in message
Does not work that way. the only way this will end is if you stop
replying
to me.

Call it dominance call it whatever you want. I call it making sure I win
so
you will be reluctant to screw with me in the future.

I see. You think I'm screwing with you. You've just given me control. Now
you have to respond to everything I do.

Bottom posting is rude inconsiderate and a waste of time.

Yes, bottom posting is just as rude and inconsiderate as top posting, and
for exactly the same reasons. That's why nobody suggested that bottom
posting was correct. Interleaving is correct, as I have done. I don't care
whether you post correctly or not, but notice that I didn't include and
didn't even read the rest of your post. You posted it incorrectly, so I
ignored it. You wasted whatever little time you spent on it. And now you
have to respond to whatever I do. Too bad.

martin

Alas this thread consumes a lot of resources. but that could result in me
not having to devote any such resources to it again in the future.

if I submit then I will get nibbled at on and off at peoples leisure since
they know I will submit. Unacceptable.

but fighting now could result in peace later. Worth fighting for.

Just leave me alone and I can start reading more of the other threads on
this forum.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

"jamie" wrote in message
...
Chris Taylor Jr wrote:
All I want is for them to leave me alone. to stay out of my way and let
me
enjoy this forum.

That's all I want and I will fight visciously to aquire that goal if I
have
to.

It certainly looks as though this thread is the *only* one in which you
have any interest. Obviously, what you are enjoying *is* your little
flame campaign for the last word, and the forum in which the thread
occurs is irrelevant.

If you want people to leave you alone, STFU about "winning" via your
persistence of verbal diarreah, and participate in LC discussion.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

well it certaintly is not the same as irl fighting if that is what you mean.

but persistance does pay off online. people get bored wasting lots of time.
so if I waste lots of their time they get bored with me and keep their
distance.

the viscious part references the persistance. IE I keep at it till I nail
the point home.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
...
You call this fighting? Fighting viciously?

hahaha!
--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"Chris Taylor Jr" wrote in message
...
These people follow me from thread to thread.

They can not make me leave but they can make it very annoying and
uncomfortable to stay. they can coerce me into voluntarily leaving.

I am also a bit bullheaded about this sort of thing. Giving into them
admits
defeat to me. I want them to LOSE with the result of them not wanting to
EVER screw with me again. if I make their life miserable (and mine as
well)
the result is they leave me alone but it also results if I stick it out
with
them leaving me alone in the future. IE too much trouble for their time.

Its probably pointless and probably an ego thing (on my part and theirs)
to
at least some extent. but its also an issue of principles.

My "literacy" is not bad here. sure I make a lot of spelling errors but
that
is sloppy typing not sloppy spelling. I turned on spell check once in OE
and
very quickly turned it back off. I have been getting better. as my
accuracy
catches up with my typing speed I make fewer mistakes.

I tend to forgo punctuation. its just not important to me on these kinds
of
forums. that may and does annoy some people but it tends to ONLY become
an
issue when an "argument" arrises. then it is used as canon fodder
against
me
otherwise it is almost never brought up.

I am coherent. sure there are technical errors galore but I am not hard
to
understand until I get angry at which time I type even faster and
sloppier
in an attempt to keep up with the onslaught and make many more errors.
sometimes my "thought" gets ahead of my hands and I skip words but
because
I
"thought" them I do not realize I missed them till I read my own post or
someone nitpicks it to death.

but if you read a normal post (not unlike this one) those massive errors
are
not as present. I type as I think. so as the words appear in my mind my
hand
types them. That is why I see newsgroups as "chit chat" because that is
how
I use them.

I do not formulate thought. Revise correct and post.

I type thoughts as they are formed in my mind. problems occur when those
thoughts get ahead of my typing. I guess you could compare it to a CD
skipping ahead to catch up.

As I said though this usually only occurs in massive flame wars. I get
angry
and sloppy especially as I try to reply to ever post (sometimes DOZENS
at
a
time) When I get into a flame war I tend to drift away from quality
toward
quantity.

All I want is for them to leave me alone. to stay out of my way and let
me
enjoy this forum.

That's all I want and I will fight visciously to aquire that goal if I
have
to.

Its so much easier IRL When someone gets on my case (rare as I am a
rather
large individual) I just give them a look or I hit them if it gets
physical
(never has yet) Problems are solved decisively and quickly.

Online though the seperation of mind and body and distance and
annonymity
gives people brass balls to bully and annoy other people (trolls)

it is most aggravating.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/





"Luna" wrote in message
...
I don't understand that. No one has the power to keep you from
posting
here. Maybe if people really are bullying you, by fighting back you
just
make them want to fight you more. If someone truly is a troll, then
their
goal is to get you to respond, and if you continue to fight with them
then
they've won, they've reached their goal. Being ignored is the one
thing
that trolls can't stand, and the one thing that will get you fastest
to
your goal, i.e. them leaving you alone. If I see someone being picked
on
or insulted in real life, and they just walk on by like they barely
even
notice it, then they look like they're the better person, the stronger
person, they have enough dignity to give the silent message "I am too
good
for this kind of crap." But if they respond and fight back, they look
weak
and scared. Who cares what some idiot says about you or to you?
Maybe
fighting back eventually tires out a bully so that they move on to
another
target, but the message it sends to those watching the fight is that
the
person being bullied has given weight to what the bullies say, it
sends
the
message to the bully of "I respect you enough to think what you're
saying
is important enough for me to respond to." It doesn't even matter
what
the response IS, just the fact that there is a response makes it look
like
you're not secure enough to ignore someone who should mean nothing to
you.
Ignoring trolls and bullies and limiting your posts to helping people
who
DO matter to you, asking for help from people you DO respect, and
posting
to share your personal experiences with low-carb would make give you a
reputation of being an intelligent, warm, kind and dignified person,
and
all you have to go on in the Internet is your reputation. Don't just
think
about the effect your posts have on bullies, consider the people
lurking
here who may be ignoring you because they see you as "that guy who
won't
stop arguing about top posting." It would be a shame for those people
to
miss out on what you have to say about more important things.
Everyone
has
the power to create the impression they make. In our non-conformist
society it is popular and clichéd to say "I don't care what other
people
think" but caring about what other people think is part of what makes
us
part of human society. It's up to each individual to decide WHICH
people's
opinions of them matter, for instance, I don't care what a troll on
usenet
thinks of me, but I DO care if my best friend respects me.

"Chris Taylor Jr" wrote in message
Does not work that way. the only way this will end is if you stop
replying to me.

Call it dominance call it whatever you want. I call it making sure I win
so you will be reluctant to screw with me in the future.

I see. You think I'm screwing with you. You've just given me
control. Now
you have to respond to everything I do.

Bottom posting is rude inconsiderate and a waste of time.

Yes, bottom posting is just as rude and inconsiderate as top
posting, and
for exactly the same reasons. That's why nobody suggested
that bottom
posting was correct. Interleaving is correct, as I have
done. I don't care
whether you post correctly or not, but notice that I didn't
include and
didn't even read the rest of your post. You posted it
incorrectly, so I
ignored it. You wasted whatever little time you spent on it.
And now you
have to respond to whatever I do. Too bad.

martin

"Wayne Crannell" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Nina wrote:

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:25:33 -0400, "Mathilda Jane"
wrote:

Nina wrote in
message
Well, until you actually provide evidence that you actually
write for
a living, then everyone has no reason to believe that you're
anything
but a sad fat girl who's incredibly jealous of everyone who
actually
does.

If I had time to maintain a personal web site where I posted my
inner
thoughts to for the world to see, would that classify me as a
writer in your
book?


If said site is published as a book, or is developed as a
television
show, as mine is being considered to be, then I might consider you
a
professional.

But anyone can have a web site, darling, even you. Professional
writer means that you get paid for what you do, even make a living
at
it. I don't make my living off my web site, I make a living off
television. You could try it, but I think they require two spaces
after a period.


Oh, and speaking of professional writing, you will remember that
I am not
the one who still thinks two spaces after a period is correct. If
you need
help moving beyond this, please see any Associated Press Style
Guide and
Libel Manual. Or Chicago Style Guide. Or APA Style... or any
book, newspaper
or magazine for that matter.

As for me, I'm young, rich, and good-looking.

Of course you are. That's why you are posting to a diet
newsgroup.

You are adorable. If you were able to use just a smidge of that
supposed brain, you'd know that I lost my weight and hang around
here
for fun.


And that's also why you don't feel thirty, you drive a Jetta with
no air
conditioning, you have undergone Botox injections and you buy
most of your
clothes secondhand.

Exactly! Who needs to spend the money on something silly like a
car
or clothes, when I can spend on things that actually matter to me.
You're catching on!


It's been a blast, darling. Let's do it again, sometime, shall
we?

Sure.

Alas, I don't think you're up to the task. Pity.

xo
Nina
delicious! evil! calorie free!
http://www.theslack.com

(Now I know why I don't spar with Nina anymore....brilliant, and
quite
sure to put a spring in the step of all of us who are burdened by
the
thought that Tildy is actually running around without her
medication.)

*I* was wondering how many snide comments from the Tildster it would
take before Nina took off the gloves. Not many.

revek (and she hasn't even gotten warmed up yet)


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Chris Taylor Jr wrote:

I am surprised no one has attacked my normal post night. maybe most have
decided to leave me alone. Nothing but normal friendly replies.

you're easy to pick on when you're acting like a nutjob, but when you
act like a "normal" person people are willing to give you the benefit of
the doubt.

but don't let that stop you from continuing to act like a nutjob,
mmmkay?