Remember Dr ATKINS!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:04:21 -0400, nimue wrote
(in message ):

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You are the kind of person up with whom I cannot put :-)

Good one. Did you know there actually is nothing wrong with ending a
sentence with a preposition? If I had a social life, I might not
know that, but fortunately I don't -- therefore, I can spend my free
time reading Strunk and White or Woe is I.

I read Fowler. Strunk and White is entirely too tolerant and liberal.

Whoops -- pressed "send" too fast. Isn't Fowler English -- as opposed to
American?

Steve

--
nimue

"Because the thing about the Nerds, what made them so appealing, was
that not only are they underdogs, they are underdogs who accept other
underdogs unconditionally. And that speaks volumes to people."

Curtis Armstrong

"I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More
Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike."
Clairel

"There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus
after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also
smoking." Principal Snyder

well the problem with correcting people is this.

99% of the time the correction comes and is used in battle as part of ones
attack on another. a way of side stepping the issue.

Personally I see Newsgroups like chat (on and off line)

its casual. I got sick of remembering which their or there to use. I just
type which ever keys my fingers his.

When I say. Their and There over the phone you can NOT tell the difference.
having to spellings is assinine. they are not defined by their spelling (as
proven in spoken speech) they are defined by their CONTEXT.

I live over there. I live over their. spoken both are proper. because the
context defines that the there is for position or place and not posession
(their)

so having to spelling of a word that is context driven to me is just some
english person trying to justify their existance by making our lives
miserable by making one more useless word :-) hehehe

When I write a letter I watch my grammar and spelling.

When I make a speech I watch my grammar and spelling.

When I am chit chatting I do not watch so carefully. its just not important
enough.

I post to a lot of forums in a very short time. if I were to carefully watch
my spelling and grammar in all posts it would take me HOURS instead of
minutes.

it just is not worth it.

Now when that grammar and spelling get bad enough to the point of NOT being
able to understand one another, OK, now you have a problem.

I do not even SEE most mistakes in others people's writing on here. Why ?
because my mind just "fixes" it without me even knowing it.

Most of the time people correct because either 1 they are trained to
(teacher) or 2 they are flaming. Losing the batterl and toss it out as chaf
to distract people from their lose. IE they use it as a weapon.

Just my take on it.

Grammar ok I have a problem their. Laziness mostly. Spelling. thats the
typing. everyone inmy family comes to me for spelling issues. but I type
very very fast and as a result sometimes sloppy. note ^

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/



"Lindabird" wrote in message
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"nimue" wrote in message
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Lindabird wrote:

I saved this from a Usenet Newbie FAQ somewhere long ago. I'm a
grammar/spelling freak, too, but I thought it was good advice for me
to just "get off (of) my high horse" and not do the English teacher
thing. :0)

"Don't send a reply just to point out spelling or grammar mistakes.
That's pretty poor behavior. Since we aren't in kindergarten
anymore, and you probably aren't too stupid to guess what the author
meant, you can certainly overlook these errors."

I do, most of the time. However, I AM an English teacher who was raised
by
an English teacher, and I find it very difficult NOT to correct people's
grammar...


I also appreciate a polite correction - always! I think we're probably in
the minority, though. Useless piece of trivia: I was really torn between
English ed. and music ed. as my college major - I went with music, which
is
really my first love, but I think I would have been happy teaching
English.

It's an everyday occurrence in my rehearsals to correct my students'
grammar
mistakes. I jokingly threaten them with detention if I hear "I ain't got
no" or "I didn't do nothin'" one more time. Heh.

Bird, who thinks spelling/usage should be a stand-alone compulsory class,
6-12

I agree. but I also wish they would simplify the english laguage just a
little. there are so many aspects of the english language that are just
useless chaff. It is the most DIFFICULT language on the planet to learn. (or
was it the second with chinese being first ?)

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/



I agree! My students are not allowed to use bad grammar in class -- ever.
They need to get used to using correct grammar when they speak. Yes, I
can
understand what they are saying when they don't -- but what if they speak
that way during a college interview? I believe (hope and pray) that if
they
know they have to speak correctly in English class at least, they can
somehow channel that experience during the important interview moments of
their lives. Actually, I wish they would fall in love with grammar, and
always speak beautifully!
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nimue

"nimue" wrote in message
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Steve wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:10:30 -0400, nimue wrote
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Lindabird wrote:
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Bird

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"nimue" wrote in message
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Curious by nature wrote:
Irregardless

Irregardless is not a word. Regardless *is* a word. It means
"without regard to." That is the word you want. Sorry -- it's a
very common mistake, and it's just a pet peeve of mine.

Dr Atkins has helped many people. Why should he not of

should not HAVE, not of



I saved this from a Usenet Newbie FAQ somewhere long ago. I'm a
grammar/spelling freak, too, but I thought it was good advice for me
to just "get off (of) my high horse" and not do the English teacher
thing. :0)

"Don't send a reply just to point out spelling or grammar mistakes.
That's pretty poor behavior. Since we aren't in kindergarten
anymore, and you probably aren't too stupid to guess what the author
meant, you can certainly overlook these errors."

I do, most of the time. However, I AM an English teacher who was
raised by an English teacher, and I find it very difficult NOT to
correct people's grammar. You may not believe me, but it seems
almost sinful to me not to correct certain mistakes. As I said, I
usually just ignore the errors -- EXCEPT for my pet peeves.
"Irregardless" is a pet peeve of mine. I spent ALL WEEKcorrecting
the "should OFs" and "could OFs" in my freshman classes' papers, so
that "of" is a pet peeve as well. (Don't even get me started on
subject pronouns v. object pronouns or apostrophes!) Anyway, I
don't see anything wrong with politely correcting "irregardless." I
think it is rude to continue to allow someone to make such a mistake
over and over -- and that is what would happen if we didn't help
that person with a little constructive correction. If we don't
receive instruction, we don't learn. I appreciate polite correction
-- knowledge is power, after all.


You are the kind of person up with whom I cannot put :-)

Good one. Did you know there actually is nothing wrong with ending a
sentence with a preposition? If I had a social life, I might not know
that,
but fortunately I don't -- therefore, I can spend my free time reading
Strunk and White or Woe is I.

Yep it is a left over from the days when it was thought that english should
follow the rules of latin, even though it is not a romance language.

revek

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:45:24 GMT, BJPruett
wrote:

I'm afraid that I had to chuckle at the suggestion that it is "suspicious" that Dr. Atkins had no provision for
a thorough autopsy in his will. I have a will, as do all of my friends. We're ages 50 - 80. Not a single one
of us has a provision in our will for a thorough autopsy when we die.

Who would care if you did?

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:03:18 GMT, "bob"
wrote:

I myself would not worry about the long term effects of atkins on the heart,

I would since most Atkins dieters have horribly high amounts of sat
fat in their diets.

On 27 Sep 2003 03:49:28 GMT, (jamie)
wrote:

Mu_nlight Drive wrote:
I never said he shouldn't have nor that he didn't. Charlatans make
money all the time.

Why don't you go bug the Hulda Clark groupies for a while?
People are *dying* over her bogus "Cure for All Diseases" book.

I have enough charlatans to call out here, thank you.

Curious by nature wrote:
Irregardless

Irregardless is not a word. Regardless *is* a word.

Pronunciation: "ir-i-'gärd-l&s
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : REGARDLESS
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th
century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of
usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about
it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still
used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited
prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way
from general acceptance.

Pronunciation Key

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Curious by nature wrote:
Irregardless

Irregardless is not a word. Regardless *is* a word. It means
"without regard to." That


Curious by nature wrote:
Irregardless

Irregardless is not a word. Regardless *is* a word. It means
"without regard to." That

Steve wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep. 2003 14:31:31 -0400, nimue wrote
(in message ):

Steve wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:04:21 -0400, nimue wrote
(in message ):

snip
You are the kind of person up with whom I cannot put :-)

Good one. Did you know there actually is nothing wrong with
ending a sentence with a preposition? If I had a social life, I
might not know that, but fortunately I don't -- therefore, I can
spend my free time reading Strunk and White or Woe is I.

I read Fowler. Strunk and White is entirely too tolerant and
liberal.

Whoops -- pressed "send" too fast. Isn't Fowler English -- as
opposed to American?


American? What language is that? I thought you were an English
teacher- descended from a long line of English teachers. Next you'll
be using an Ebonics text. Harumph!

Oh, you crusty professor, you! My sister just finished her Master's in
England last year. She used to email us her papers so we could help her
proofread them. This is when I REALLY became aware of the very real
differences between English and American. For example, in England,
punctuation after quoted material always goes OUTSIDE the quotation marks.
In America, punctuation usually goes inside. Little differences like that
made proofreading her papers difficult.

Steve

--
nimue

"Because the thing about the Nerds, what made them so appealing, was
that not only are they underdogs, they are underdogs who accept other
underdogs unconditionally. And that speaks volumes to people."

Curtis Armstrong

"I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More
Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike."
Clairel

"There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus
after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also
smoking." Principal Snyder

Steve wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:42:41 -0400, nimue wrote
(in message ):

Oh, you crusty professor, you!

As I recall, it was you who started this thread, tut-tutting someone
else's usage. Look who is calling who "crusty" :-)

Steve

Now, now! Shouldn't it be "look who is calling WHOM 'crusty'"? (Laughing
hysterically -- thinks this is really funny -- can't wait to show English
teacher friends -- thinks this may explain lack of social life.)

--
nimue

"Because the thing about the Nerds, what made them so appealing, was
that not only are they underdogs, they are underdogs who accept other
underdogs unconditionally. And that speaks volumes to people."

Curtis Armstrong

"I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More
Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike."
Clairel

"There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus
after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also
smoking." Principal Snyder