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Old September 10th, 2004, 02:47 AM
Armand
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Rusty wrote:
|| Jennifer wrote:
||
||| Not exactly.
|||
||| First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than
||| before.
|||
||| Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all
||| ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun
||| and
||| had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same
||| hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a
||| higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my
||| friends.
|||
||| Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume.
|||
||| Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat,
||| about 58 grams of it becomes sugar.
|||
||| But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of
||| the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food.
|||
||| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains
||| about 20 or 25 grams of protein.
|||
||| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
||| carbohydrates, not 58 grams.
|||
||| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6
||| - 8g
||| of carbs.
|||
||| Jennifer
|||
|||
||| Ignoramus26161 wrote:
|||
|||| Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our
|||| body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to
|||| carbs/glucose.
||||
|||| If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of
|||| carbs, right?
||||
|||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of
|||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not
|||| really low carb.
||||
|||| Makes sense?
||||
|||| i
|||
|||
|| How do you explain bodybuilders that taper the carbs and increase the
|| protein during cutting? If all that protein was converted to sugar,
|| how would they ever drop the extra pounds?

easy....eat below a maintenance level of calories.


For those curious about BB's diets designed to loose fat and "cut", read this as this is typical of their pre-comp diet. It makes your head spin:


Meal One ( Breakfast )- Extremely Complex and Fibrous Starchy Carbohydrates and Proteins. The goal here is to induce the release of a low amount of insulin, but in no way
an overproduction of it. This will suppress cortisol and bring amino acids to your muscles cells for their maintenance and reparation.

supplementation: One gram of Vitamin C, a Multi-Vitamin/Multi Mineral if taking. 10 grams of glutamine recommended.

Meal Two Weight Lifting Day ( Post Workout Meal ) - Read, The Window of Opportunity

Meal Two Cardio Day - On this day I suggest a complex starchy carb, rather than a sugar spike. Just enough carbs to lower cortisol. So rather than have punch, eat a baked
sweet potato with some splenda and a protein source such as whey protein or lean chicken.

Meal Two Day Off - This meal on your off day will reflect meal three exactly, except, I would like you to cut your starchy carb intake in half here and double your fibrous green
intake.

Meal Three - Complex and Fibrous Starchy Carbohydrates, and Protein. The carb source will be extremely complex and will only stimulate a small insulin release from the
pancreas. The protein will repair and maintain your muscular network.

supplementation: One gram of Vitamin C, 5 grams of glutamine recommended.

Meal Four - Essential Fatty Acids Combined With a Protein Source, and leafy greens. The goal here is to simply give our bodies an adequate supply of omega 3's and omega
6's, keep insulin levels low, and still provide an energy source in the form of fat. The vegetables will strengthen your immune system, increase nutrient uptake and slow
digestion. Last but not least our intensions are to maintain a high level of amino acids in the blood stream for muscular and immune system benefits.

Meal Five - Fibrous Green Veggies, Essential Fatty Acids and Protein Source. Insulin resistance is higher at night, which is why you will avoid starchier carbs. The greens
will still provide an adequate energy source and the essential fatty acids will do their endless jobs along with the amino acids broken down from the protein.

Meal Six - Essential Fatty Acids Combined With a Protein Source. Our goal here is to simply give our bodies an adequate supply of omega 3's and omega 6's, keep insulin
levels low, and still provide an energy source in the form of fat. Last but not least our intensions are to maintain a high level of amino acids in the blood stream for muscular
and immune system benefits.

supplementation: 5 -10 grams of glutamine recommended.

Sample Calorie Cycling Period

I will outline how your caloric intake should look, try and stay within these guidelines.

Sample 2, 500 calorie day

meal 1 = 500 calories

meal 2 = 300 calories

meal 3 = 500 calories

meal 4 = 500 calories post workout

meal 5 = 400 calories

meal 6 = 300 calories


Guidelines Brought To Life! - Sample Meal Plan

Below I will outline a sample meal plan. For an example, we will again use a person who is currently consuming 2, 500 calories a day.

Breakfast:

1 1/2 servings of Oatmeal 250 calories
50 grams of Whey Protein 250 calories
Two Glasses Of Water

total: 500 calories, 50 grams of quality protein

One hour before your workout drink 2-3 tall glasses of water.

workout ( This is what its all about, so give me 200 percent effort! )

meal two post workout meal

Follow the Window Of Opportunity guidelines here.

meal three

a baked or steamed sweet potato 115 calories
small tossed green salad with safflower oil 185 calories
broiled chicken breast 200 calories
two tall glasses of water

total 500 calories, 40 grams of protein

meal two:

broiled Salmon 200 calories
One heaping Spoonful of a mixture of Flax Seed & Safflower Oil (150 calories), A glass of water

total: 350 calories, 40 grams of quality protein

Meal Five

Mixture of Efa's - 100 calories

Lean Tri-Tip Steak - 300 calories
Steamed Spinach - 100 calories
glass of ice water

total 500 calories, 60 grams of protein

Meal Six

30 grams of Cottage Cheese - 150 calories
One Spoonful of A mixture of Flax Seed Oil and Safflower Oil - 150 calories

Steamed Spinach - 50 calories
A glass of water




  #42  
Old September 10th, 2004, 02:47 AM
Armand
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In article , says...

Rusty wrote:
|| Jennifer wrote:
||
||| Not exactly.
|||
||| First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than
||| before.
|||
||| Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all
||| ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun
||| and
||| had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same
||| hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a
||| higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my
||| friends.
|||
||| Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume.
|||
||| Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat,
||| about 58 grams of it becomes sugar.
|||
||| But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of
||| the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food.
|||
||| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains
||| about 20 or 25 grams of protein.
|||
||| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
||| carbohydrates, not 58 grams.
|||
||| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6
||| - 8g
||| of carbs.
|||
||| Jennifer
|||
|||
||| Ignoramus26161 wrote:
|||
|||| Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our
|||| body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to
|||| carbs/glucose.
||||
|||| If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of
|||| carbs, right?
||||
|||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of
|||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not
|||| really low carb.
||||
|||| Makes sense?
||||
|||| i
|||
|||
|| How do you explain bodybuilders that taper the carbs and increase the
|| protein during cutting? If all that protein was converted to sugar,
|| how would they ever drop the extra pounds?

easy....eat below a maintenance level of calories.


For those curious about BB's diets designed to loose fat and "cut", read this as this is typical of their pre-comp diet. It makes your head spin:


Meal One ( Breakfast )- Extremely Complex and Fibrous Starchy Carbohydrates and Proteins. The goal here is to induce the release of a low amount of insulin, but in no way
an overproduction of it. This will suppress cortisol and bring amino acids to your muscles cells for their maintenance and reparation.

supplementation: One gram of Vitamin C, a Multi-Vitamin/Multi Mineral if taking. 10 grams of glutamine recommended.

Meal Two Weight Lifting Day ( Post Workout Meal ) - Read, The Window of Opportunity

Meal Two Cardio Day - On this day I suggest a complex starchy carb, rather than a sugar spike. Just enough carbs to lower cortisol. So rather than have punch, eat a baked
sweet potato with some splenda and a protein source such as whey protein or lean chicken.

Meal Two Day Off - This meal on your off day will reflect meal three exactly, except, I would like you to cut your starchy carb intake in half here and double your fibrous green
intake.

Meal Three - Complex and Fibrous Starchy Carbohydrates, and Protein. The carb source will be extremely complex and will only stimulate a small insulin release from the
pancreas. The protein will repair and maintain your muscular network.

supplementation: One gram of Vitamin C, 5 grams of glutamine recommended.

Meal Four - Essential Fatty Acids Combined With a Protein Source, and leafy greens. The goal here is to simply give our bodies an adequate supply of omega 3's and omega
6's, keep insulin levels low, and still provide an energy source in the form of fat. The vegetables will strengthen your immune system, increase nutrient uptake and slow
digestion. Last but not least our intensions are to maintain a high level of amino acids in the blood stream for muscular and immune system benefits.

Meal Five - Fibrous Green Veggies, Essential Fatty Acids and Protein Source. Insulin resistance is higher at night, which is why you will avoid starchier carbs. The greens
will still provide an adequate energy source and the essential fatty acids will do their endless jobs along with the amino acids broken down from the protein.

Meal Six - Essential Fatty Acids Combined With a Protein Source. Our goal here is to simply give our bodies an adequate supply of omega 3's and omega 6's, keep insulin
levels low, and still provide an energy source in the form of fat. Last but not least our intensions are to maintain a high level of amino acids in the blood stream for muscular
and immune system benefits.

supplementation: 5 -10 grams of glutamine recommended.

Sample Calorie Cycling Period

I will outline how your caloric intake should look, try and stay within these guidelines.

Sample 2, 500 calorie day

meal 1 = 500 calories

meal 2 = 300 calories

meal 3 = 500 calories

meal 4 = 500 calories post workout

meal 5 = 400 calories

meal 6 = 300 calories


Guidelines Brought To Life! - Sample Meal Plan

Below I will outline a sample meal plan. For an example, we will again use a person who is currently consuming 2, 500 calories a day.

Breakfast:

1 1/2 servings of Oatmeal 250 calories
50 grams of Whey Protein 250 calories
Two Glasses Of Water

total: 500 calories, 50 grams of quality protein

One hour before your workout drink 2-3 tall glasses of water.

workout ( This is what its all about, so give me 200 percent effort! )

meal two post workout meal

Follow the Window Of Opportunity guidelines here.

meal three

a baked or steamed sweet potato 115 calories
small tossed green salad with safflower oil 185 calories
broiled chicken breast 200 calories
two tall glasses of water

total 500 calories, 40 grams of protein

meal two:

broiled Salmon 200 calories
One heaping Spoonful of a mixture of Flax Seed & Safflower Oil (150 calories), A glass of water

total: 350 calories, 40 grams of quality protein

Meal Five

Mixture of Efa's - 100 calories

Lean Tri-Tip Steak - 300 calories
Steamed Spinach - 100 calories
glass of ice water

total 500 calories, 60 grams of protein

Meal Six

30 grams of Cottage Cheese - 150 calories
One Spoonful of A mixture of Flax Seed Oil and Safflower Oil - 150 calories

Steamed Spinach - 50 calories
A glass of water




  #43  
Old September 10th, 2004, 04:15 PM
jbuch
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Ignoramus26161 wrote:
Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our
body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to
carbs/glucose.

If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of
carbs, right?

So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of
protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not really
low carb.

Makes sense?

i


Don't make life too difficult with these "if, and, but" hypotheses.

High protein is an excellent description of WHAT GOES IN THE MOUTH.

You would be on slippery grounds to call a diet a name based on what
our body later does with what we put in our mouths.

KISS.

Jim

 




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