Importance of vegetables in losing weight

I've bought a lot of diet books and magazines that had special
articles on weight-loss. There are soooooo many theories on why
someone is overweight. One tells you that it's because you're too
acid, another says you take in too many carbs, etc. Pretty much all
the diets I tried worked for me to a certain extend. At one point I've
reach a record low 164 pounds (I'm 5'8), but was still overweight.
I've decided to stop and think. What is the thing that all -or most,
of those diet have in common? The encourage you to eat a lot of
vegetables. Are vegetables THE thing that will make you reach once and
for all your weight goals? One thing is for sure, I'm going to find
out the answer in the next few months as I'm going to eat a personal
record quantity of vegetables.

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I've bought a lot of diet books and magazines that had special
articles on weight-loss. There are soooooo many theories on why
someone is overweight. One tells you that it's because you're too
acid, another says you take in too many carbs, etc. Pretty much all
the diets I tried worked for me to a certain extend. At one point I've
reach a record low 164 pounds (I'm 5'8), but was still overweight.
I've decided to stop and think. What is the thing that all -or most,
of those diet have in common? The encourage you to eat a lot of
vegetables. Are vegetables THE thing that will make you reach once and
for all your weight goals? One thing is for sure, I'm going to find
out the answer in the next few months as I'm going to eat a personal
record quantity of vegetables.

Vegetables are good for you, have a lot of fiber, and aren't calorically
dense. If it wasn't for vegetables my meals would have to be miniscule.

On Dec 16, 10:39 am, "
wrote:
I've bought a lot of diet books and magazines that had special
articles on weight-loss. There are soooooo many theories on why
someone is overweight. One tells you that it's because you're too
acid, another says you take in too many carbs, etc. Pretty much all
the diets I tried worked for me to a certain extend. At one point I've
reach a record low 164 pounds (I'm 5'8), but was still overweight.
I've decided to stop and think. What is the thing that all -or most,
of those diet have in common? The encourage you to eat a lot of
vegetables. Are vegetables THE thing that will make you reach once and
for all your weight goals? One thing is for sure, I'm going to find
out the answer in the next few months as I'm going to eat a personal
record quantity of vegetables.

One thing you always must remember is that people are out to sell you
something. This means they have to tell you something even if it isn't
true. Oft times, there is some truth to it, but the effect they claim
is not supported by the evidence to any significant degree so they
just exagerate. Of course the supplement folks are the worst at this.
Even among the experts, (which supplement folks are not), there is
some disagreement though. Probably the government guidelines are
fairly close to a concensus on what you should eat because this is
backed by science and has to pass through a bunch of experts before a
recommendation is made. One problem with this is that the guidelines
are not individualized, but are for the general population. For
example, if you have a history of coronary problems, you wouldn't
probably want to eat 30% of your calories in fat...more like 10% or
under, and for that recommendation you need to go to places like AHA.
For diabetes, the ADA, etc. I trust them much more than individual
recommendations from people trying to sell me something using their
pseudo-science hype. I mean just look at all those supplements...shark
fin, noni juice, ginseng, yellowroot, teas, ginger, licorice,
selenium, garlic....on and on. There is some science behind why you
might want to have some of this in your diet, but would it make you
healthier or live longer. I seriously doubt that. Omega 3 might be in
a different category though, since it seems to better research and
recommended by lots of doctors. An aspirin a day is another thing many
older folks might want to take, but I can't think of anything else if
you are otherwise healthy and there's no history of familial problems,
like people dying early from coronaries. If the cholesterol is high,
besides a low-fat diet and exercise, there are those newer drugs that
seem to help that. Still, I think a person's genes are the most
important factor in longevity, and that is not in our control. dkw

I don't see how you can go wrong eating lots of vegetables though. You
would certainly fit into all the general guidelines from the govt if
the mix is right. I might not want to know how many vegetables I eat
a day, but if they were all stacked up in front of me it would make a
gorilla proud. dkw

On 16 déc, 17:06, Del Cecchi
wrote:

Vegetables are good for you, have a lot of fiber, and aren't calorically
dense. If it wasn't for vegetables my meals would have to be miniscule.

Same here. The more vegetables you eat, the less space there is for
anything else. I look forward to seeing my weight in a month!

On Dec 16, 8:06 pm, "
wrote:
On 16 déc, 17:06, Del Cecchi
wrote:

Vegetables are good for you, have a lot of fiber, and aren't calorically
dense. If it wasn't for vegetables my meals would have to be miniscule.

Same here. The more vegetables you eat, the less space there is for
anything else. I look forward to seeing my weight in a month!

Exactly. It is all about choices including substitution. Now to some,
the choices are not very palatable. I mean they simply balk at the
idea of trading a Big Mac for anything, and most certainly not a
salad. It takes a real desire to lose weight and change your lifestyle
to stick with good eating. One thing that helps though is the fact
that you can learn to like foods that might be anathema to you at
present. With me it was tomatoes. I wouldn't touch one of those things
a couple of years ago....except in pizza sauce or catsup. Now I
absolutely love tomatoes. What happened was that I just slowly...one
small tomato at a time started eating them. Why? They are generally
recognized as being very good for you...vit C, low cal, low fat, etc.
I can't really identify the reverse of this process of accomodation,
yet I know that once I started eating vegetarian, ALL meat began to
smell gamey...OK rotten to me. I have no idea why. Anyway, I just
stopped eating meat altogether. This is for the reasons you stated. I
don't need any meat and there is some evidence that it isn't good for
you, but mainly because it tends to be high-cal which means if I
eliminate the meat, I get to eat more of something else like
vegetables. Perhaps knowing or thinking that was the only motivation I
needed to change to vegetarian and perhaps also the dislike for seared
animal flesh came with the psychology of that understanding, but it is
real nonetheless. Afterall, there really is perhaps no bad or good
food. People eat brains, kidneys, livers, eyeballs, sweet breads
(whatever the hell those are), scrapple, dogs, rats, etc. My mother
used to make something called "head cheese". As I recall it was
something like a meat pie made from offalls. Yum! Actually, I never
even tried the stuff, but it certainly wouldn't hurt a person. dkw

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On Dec 16, 8:06 pm, "
wrote:
On 16 déc, 17:06, Del Cecchi
wrote:

Vegetables are good for you, have a lot of fiber, and aren't calorically
dense. If it wasn't for vegetables my meals would have to be miniscule.
Same here. The more vegetables you eat, the less space there is for
anything else. I look forward to seeing my weight in a month!

Exactly. It is all about choices including substitution. Now to some,
the choices are not very palatable. I mean they simply balk at the
idea of trading a Big Mac for anything, and most certainly not a
salad. It takes a real desire to lose weight and change your lifestyle
to stick with good eating. One thing that helps though is the fact
that you can learn to like foods that might be anathema to you at
present. With me it was tomatoes. I wouldn't touch one of those things
a couple of years ago....except in pizza sauce or catsup. Now I
absolutely love tomatoes. What happened was that I just slowly...one
small tomato at a time started eating them. Why? They are generally
recognized as being very good for you...vit C, low cal, low fat, etc.
I can't really identify the reverse of this process of accomodation,
yet I know that once I started eating vegetarian, ALL meat began to
smell gamey...OK rotten to me. I have no idea why. Anyway, I just
stopped eating meat altogether. This is for the reasons you stated. I
don't need any meat and there is some evidence that it isn't good for
you, but mainly because it tends to be high-cal which means if I
eliminate the meat, I get to eat more of something else like
vegetables. Perhaps knowing or thinking that was the only motivation I
needed to change to vegetarian and perhaps also the dislike for seared
animal flesh came with the psychology of that understanding, but it is
real nonetheless. Afterall, there really is perhaps no bad or good
food. People eat brains, kidneys, livers, eyeballs, sweet breads
(whatever the hell those are), scrapple, dogs, rats, etc. My mother
used to make something called "head cheese". As I recall it was
something like a meat pie made from offalls. Yum! Actually, I never
even tried the stuff, but it certainly wouldn't hurt a person. dkw
Sweetbreads are thymus gland, as I recall. Kidneys are disgusting.
Head cheese is good, on the other hand. It is a pate sort of thing made
by cooking the head of the animal (after it has been cleaned up) to get
the meat off. Then the meat is allowed to cool in some of the broth
which is high in gelatin from all the connective tissue, so it sets up.

On Dec 17, 8:27 am, Del Cecchi
wrote:
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On Dec 16, 8:06 pm, "
wrote:
On 16 déc, 17:06, Del Cecchi
wrote:

Vegetables are good for you, have a lot of fiber, and aren't calorically
dense. If it wasn't for vegetables my meals would have to be miniscule.
Same here. The more vegetables you eat, the less space there is for
anything else. I look forward to seeing my weight in a month!

Exactly. It is all about choices including substitution. Now to some,
the choices are not very palatable. I mean they simply balk at the
idea of trading a Big Mac for anything, and most certainly not a
salad. It takes a real desire to lose weight and change your lifestyle
to stick with good eating. One thing that helps though is the fact
that you can learn to like foods that might be anathema to you at
present. With me it was tomatoes. I wouldn't touch one of those things
a couple of years ago....except in pizza sauce or catsup. Now I
absolutely love tomatoes. What happened was that I just slowly...one
small tomato at a time started eating them. Why? They are generally
recognized as being very good for you...vit C, low cal, low fat, etc.
I can't really identify the reverse of this process of accomodation,
yet I know that once I started eating vegetarian, ALL meat began to
smell gamey...OK rotten to me. I have no idea why. Anyway, I just
stopped eating meat altogether. This is for the reasons you stated. I
don't need any meat and there is some evidence that it isn't good for
you, but mainly because it tends to be high-cal which means if I
eliminate the meat, I get to eat more of something else like
vegetables. Perhaps knowing or thinking that was the only motivation I
needed to change to vegetarian and perhaps also the dislike for seared
animal flesh came with the psychology of that understanding, but it is
real nonetheless. Afterall, there really is perhaps no bad or good
food. People eat brains, kidneys, livers, eyeballs, sweet breads
(whatever the hell those are), scrapple, dogs, rats, etc. My mother
used to make something called "head cheese". As I recall it was
something like a meat pie made from offalls. Yum! Actually, I never
even tried the stuff, but it certainly wouldn't hurt a person. dkw

Sweetbreads are thymus gland, as I recall. Kidneys are disgusting.
Head cheese is good, on the other hand. It is a pate sort of thing made
by cooking the head of the animal (after it has been cleaned up) to get
the meat off. Then the meat is allowed to cool in some of the broth
which is high in gelatin from all the connective tissue, so it sets up.- Hide quoted text -

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Exactly. I remember it was very gelatinous and firm and you could
slice it. The cheese is a bit of a misnomer though unless some people
add cheese to it. Mom never did.

I was always a little concerned about eating liver once I learned it
was the scavenger for the body. Lots of bad things could be in there.
Actually, I never needed and excuse to not eat it though. It was never
one of my favorites. Speaking of heads, when I was in Alaska, I tried
the moosehead soup. Actually, it was sort of foisted on me at a
potlach and protocol dictated that you should eat what is offered, so
I choked down a little. It was OK, but when I sort of stirred the
stuff around and this tubular whitish thing surfaced...I think it was
part of a nose, I got reall full in a hurry. That eskimo ice cream
looked pretty good though, sort of like blueberry ice cream. Later I
learned it is made from blueberries alright...and seal oil. That's it.
When the seal hunting isn't so good, they substitute Crisco, which is
what this was. Glad I missed "dessert". The actual Eskimo icecream is
very fishy smelling as I found out later, and I could not even try it
it smelled so bad to me. Of course the Athabaskan natives bury
fishheads near the bank of the river over the winter and allow them to
ferment..or whatever the hell they do, then dig them up and eat them,
so apparently they like a fishy taste.While in the library, this cute
little girl came up to me about 5 as I recall and asked what I was
reading. It was a National Geographic showing Halibut being processed
so I showed her the picture. She asked where the heads were and I told
her they cut them off and without thinking I added..."because nobody
wants the heads". She poked me and her eyes got huge. "We eat the
heads", she said and then she proceeded to tell me all about the
process and how good they are. She said, "I can eat 2 or 3 heads, then
I get a headache and have to take an aspirin, but then I can eat 1 or
2 more." She was a jewel. dkw

I've had a several huge salads in the last three days. I've got to
tell you that it's not as bad as I thought. I find that the tomatoe
makes a huge difference in my liking the salad. Without it, it would
be very boring. I see myself eating those huge salads for the rest of
my life. I think I'm done once for all with the junk food. Now I
see chips, tortillas, bretzels, but I don't feel to have any of it. My
salad is now my girlfriend, and for nothing in this world I would
cheat on her.

On Dec 17, 7:21 pm, "
wrote:
I've had a several huge salads in the last three days. I've got to
tell you that it's not as bad as I thought. I find that the tomatoe
makes a huge difference in my liking the salad. Without it, it would
be very boring. I see myself eating those huge salads for the rest of
my life. I think I'm done once for all with the junk food. Now I
see chips, tortillas, bretzels, but I don't feel to have any of it. My
salad is now my girlfriend, and for nothing in this world I would
cheat on her.

I guess that's why they call girls "tomatoes". dkw

On 16 déc, 14:39, "
wrote:
I've bought a lot of diet books and magazines that had special
articles on weight-loss. There are soooooo many theories on why
someone is overweight. One tells you that it's because you're too
acid, another says you take in too many carbs, etc. Pretty much all
the diets I tried worked for me to a certain extend. At one point I've
reach a record low 164 pounds (I'm 5'8), but was still overweight.
I've decided to stop and think. What is the thing that all -or most,
of those diet have in common? The encourage you to eat a lot of
vegetables. Are vegetables THE thing that will make you reach once and
for all your weight goals? One thing is for sure, I'm going to find
out the answer in the next few months as I'm going to eat a personal
record quantity of vegetables.

I'm eating a salad right now. The more I eat those salads, the more I
like them!