Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity

OK, here's a different slant on the issue, or at least one I haven't much seen
discussed.

Everyone is familiar with the "Supersize Me" tactics of Mickey-D's, and the
1400 calorie burger at (Hardees?), but this is more ubiquitous.

Snacks. Coke, Pepsi, almost everything comes in containers that are _way_ too
big for consumption by one person.

Coke / Pepsi used to have 6 oz bottles in the last 50's early 60's when I was a
kid. Now, go to your average convenience store and try to buy one less than 20
oz. 20 oz. is a _lot_ of calories. Its too much for me, a grown man, let
along some poor kid 1/3 my size and weight. I at least drink diet, so its not
an issue for me, but wow, that's a lot of drink.

Nuts. Peanuts, cashews, almonds. Look at the snack sizes for these. I
recently went to 3 different stores before finding a simple 2 1/2 oz bag of
peanuts (they're supposed to be good for U, right?) that, at 160 calories and
ounce, is still 400 calories. What were my other choices? Wawa's own-brand
packaged peanuts at 6 ounces a bag. 6 ounces! 960 calories!!!! Yeah, it'd be
fun to eat those, but wow - fat city. Then there's the 7-11 store selling the
familiar-brand bag of peanuts at 5 ounces for that bag. 800 calories!!! Wow.

Simple things from the grocery. At least this was "light" no matter how much I
ate, but... strawberries. They come, at least if fresh, in 1 lb boxes. Just
great. I can eat maybe 1/3rd of them at once. After that, I'm not much
inclined to eat any more for about a week. I keep my refrigerator at the a
lower temperature than anyone I know, but I sure don't want to touch the rest
of the strawberries during the next week. They just don't last.

Soooo... corporate culpability is a real thing, as far as I'm concerned, in the
constant fight to eat reasonably. They want to sell as much product as they
can, and don't give a rip about the calorie-bomb that a 1400 calorie burger, or
a 960 calorie bag of peanuts constituting a health threat to everyone that buys
the stuff.

Dave Head

Dave Head wrote:

Nuts. Peanuts, cashews, almonds. Look at the snack sizes for these. I
recently went to 3 different stores before finding a simple 2 1/2 oz bag of
peanuts (they're supposed to be good for U, right?) that, at 160 calories and
ounce, is still 400 calories. What were my other choices? Wawa's own-brand
packaged peanuts at 6 ounces a bag. 6 ounces! 960 calories!!!!

You aren't obligated to eat an entire container of anything all at one
sitting. How hard is it to measure out a serving and just eat that?

Soooo... corporate culpability is a real thing, as far as I'm concerned,
in the constant fight to eat reasonably.

The only person responsible for the food that ends up in your mouth is
you.

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 05:06:01 GMT, (The Queen of Cans and
Jars) wrote:

Dave Head wrote:

Nuts. Peanuts, cashews, almonds. Look at the snack sizes for these. I
recently went to 3 different stores before finding a simple 2 1/2 oz bag of
peanuts (they're supposed to be good for U, right?) that, at 160 calories and
ounce, is still 400 calories. What were my other choices? Wawa's own-brand
packaged peanuts at 6 ounces a bag. 6 ounces! 960 calories!!!!

You aren't obligated to eat an entire container of anything all at one
sitting. How hard is it to measure out a serving and just eat that?

Its real hard to do where snacks are usually eaten... the car. I eat 'em at
the desk at work too, but at least these, except for 1, are about the right
size out of the candy machine...

Soooo... corporate culpability is a real thing, as far as I'm concerned,
in the constant fight to eat reasonably.

The only person responsible for the food that ends up in your mouth is
you.

Well, that may be true for the peanuts... although these are _awful_ hard to
leave alone once you get going, and these corporations know that. Plus, once
the bag is open, they're all over the place - under the seats, between the
carpet pieces, in the door pockets - you can't keep 'em contained. Eat 'em
now, or end up picking 'em out from the floorboards and tossing them out the
window for the small animals... I've had these bags that the peanuts come in
actually "tear" and almost dump their contents in my hand when I do eat 'em.
These things are not easily resealable.

But the cokes / pepsi's - you either drink 'em all, or... you have a _warm_
coke/pepsi after you seal it and then try to come back to it later in the day.
I just think that the Corporations can't get a "pass" on their culpability in
helping make America fat all the way to a health crisis, which this is. They
need to bury their greed, and start _helping_, by making the "right" size
portions at least _available_. I mean, I went to those 3 stores because the
1st two didn't even _have_ the 2 to 2.5 oz bag I was looking for...

Recently, the candy machine people substituted the "King Size" Hershey with
Almods bar I was eating at the regular size. Not only is this thing $1.00
instead of 65 cents, but it is huge! I don't know how many calories it is, but
its more than I want to dive into. And... they're not helping... but they're
not going to sell it to me.

Dave Head

Dave Head writes:

Its real hard to do where snacks are usually eaten...

A lot of things are hard to do. That doesn't relieve you of
responsibility for doing them.

Well, that may be true for the peanuts ...

It's true for everything, unless you're a goose being force-fed to
produce foie gras.

... although these are _awful_ hard to leave alone once you
get going ...

Speak for yourself. Many people seem to have far more self-control.

Plus, once the bag is open, they're all over the place - under
the seats, between the carpet pieces, in the door pockets - you
can't keep 'em contained.

Here again, you are speaking only for yourself. Ronald McDonald isn't
pouring them down your throat.

But the cokes / pepsi's - you either drink 'em all, or... you have a _warm_
coke/pepsi after you seal it and then try to come back to it later in the day.

Just throw the unused portion away.

I just think that the Corporations can't get a "pass" on their culpability in
helping make America fat all the way to a health crisis, which this is.

You just don't want to take responsibility for your own weight
problem. That's the real crisis.

Recently, the candy machine people substituted the "King Size" Hershey with
Almods bar I was eating at the regular size. Not only is this thing $1.00
instead of 65 cents, but it is huge!

I guess you'll end up throwing quite a bit of it away ... right?

I don't know how many calories it is, but its more than I want to
dive into.

See above.

And... they're not helping... but they're not going to sell it to me.

No ... you're going to buy it, and that's your decision, not theirs.

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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:52:36 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

Dave Head writes:

Its real hard to do where snacks are usually eaten...

A lot of things are hard to do. That doesn't relieve you of
responsibility for doing them.

Nope, but the corporations have a responsibility to human health the same way
the car companies do when they install air bags and make crush zones in the
cars. They're supposed to _help_ us be safe, rather than tempting us not to
be.

Well, that may be true for the peanuts ...

It's true for everything, unless you're a goose being force-fed to
produce foie gras.

... although these are _awful_ hard to leave alone once you
get going ...

Speak for yourself. Many people seem to have far more self-control.

Didn't say I couldn't do it, I said it is difficult. Why shouldn't the
corporations _help_ the situation instead of hinder it?

Plus, once the bag is open, they're all over the place - under
the seats, between the carpet pieces, in the door pockets - you
can't keep 'em contained.

Here again, you are speaking only for yourself. Ronald McDonald isn't
pouring them down your throat.

RM doesn't sell peanuts, I think.

But the cokes / pepsi's - you either drink 'em all, or... you have a _warm_
coke/pepsi after you seal it and then try to come back to it later in the day.

Just throw the unused portion away.

Sure. What else do you throw 1/3 of away after paying for all of it? That's
just wrong.

I just think that the Corporations can't get a "pass" on their culpability in
helping make America fat all the way to a health crisis, which this is.

You just don't want to take responsibility for your own weight
problem. That's the real crisis.

What weight problem? At 220 with the amount of muscle I have, I don't really
have a "problem". I could be thinner... but not by much. I'm closer to
"athlete" than fat right now.

Recently, the candy machine people substituted the "King Size" Hershey with
Almods bar I was eating at the regular size. Not only is this thing $1.00
instead of 65 cents, but it is huge!

I guess you'll end up throwing quite a bit of it away ... right?

No, I'm not buying it - unless I intend to skip an entire meal. If I find I
have no time to run out for a meal, then maybe. But then I'll eat the whole
thing. That thing is _not_ a snack...

I don't know how many calories it is, but its more than I want to
dive into.

See above.

And... they're not helping... but they're not going to sell it to me.

No ... you're going to buy it, and that's your decision, not theirs.

Not unless... I'm _replacing_ a full meal.

Dave Head

Dave Head writes:

Nope, but the corporations have a responsibility to human health the same way
the car companies do when they install air bags and make crush zones in the
cars. They're supposed to _help_ us be safe, rather than tempting us not to
be.

You're supposed to accept responsibility for your own life and stop
blaming Someone Else.

Didn't say I couldn't do it, I said it is difficult. Why shouldn't the
corporations _help_ the situation instead of hinder it?

Why can't you handle the situation on your own?

RM doesn't sell peanuts, I think.

Nobody makes you eat peanuts.

Sure. What else do you throw 1/3 of away after paying for all of it?

Anything that's more than I can or should eat.

That's just wrong.

And overeating is right?

What weight problem? At 220 with the amount of muscle I have, I don't really
have a "problem".

Either you have a tremendous amount of muscle, or you are overweight
(unless you are very tall indeed).

I could be thinner... but not by much. I'm closer to "athlete" than fat
right now.

Why isn't that the fault of corporations as well? Or are they only to
blame for bad things?

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In article , Dave Head
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:52:36 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

Dave Head writes:

Its real hard to do where snacks are usually eaten...

A lot of things are hard to do. That doesn't relieve you of
responsibility for doing them.

Nope, but the corporations have a responsibility to human health

See or read "The Corporation" Corporations responsibility is to
shareholders:

http://www.thecorporation.com/

IDo expect the CEO to come to your place and fit you with a gag? If
you want to change your shape change your POV as it's full of
rationalization. Placing blame does not displace hand to mouth
activity.

Diva
****
needing to hang tough herself these days

Dave Head wrote:

Nope, but the corporations have a responsibility to human health the same way
the car companies do when they install air bags and make crush zones in the
cars. They're supposed to _help_ us be safe, rather than tempting us not to
be.

You are the classic Whiny Fat **** In Denial.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

"Dave Head" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:52:36 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

Dave Head writes:

Its real hard to do where snacks are usually eaten...

A lot of things are hard to do. That doesn't relieve you of
responsibility for doing them.

Nope, but the corporations have a responsibility to human health the same
way
the car companies do when they install air bags and make crush zones in
the
cars. They're supposed to _help_ us be safe, rather than tempting us not
to
be.

Corporations have a responsibility to their shareholders and that's
basically it. The reason they install air bags and make crush zones is
because of laws and because of sales.

If people wanted smaller portion snacks and lower calorie items, they'll be
available. However, take the fast food industry for example - they've
attempted numerous times to put healthier items on their menu but the items
don't sell and they lose money on the proposition.

The facts are that you are solely responsible for your own best interests
and shouldn't be looking for corporate entities or big brother type
government to look out for your back.
--
the volleyballchick

In article , Mxsmanic
wrote:

Dave Head writes:

Its real hard to do where snacks are usually eaten...

A lot of things are hard to do. That doesn't relieve you of
responsibility for doing them.


Hi Mx,
Good to have your tough love here again. In a few days the coats come
off and the truth will be out. Words won't cut it then, action is
neeeded!

--
Diva
*****
Discipline is Liberation