Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:22:53 GMT, (The Queen of Cans and
Jars) wrote:

Dave Head wrote:

Nope, but the corporations have a responsibility to human health the same way
the car companies do when they install air bags and make crush zones in the
cars. They're supposed to _help_ us be safe, rather than tempting us not to
be.

You are the classic Whiny Fat **** In Denial.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

BTDT.

But, its not about me.

Its about all those people that just buy a Coke or Pepsi, and all the stuff
that's there is in 20 oz. bottles, where 10 years ago it would have been in a
12 oz can, and 40 years ago it would have been in an 8 oz bottle. Why is
America getting so fat? That's one of the big reasons. Its driven by
corporate self-interest at the expense of the American health situation, and
that's just not right.

Dave Head

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:49:54 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

Dave Head writes:

I'm 6'.

Then you are about 40 lbs overweight.

The charts are broken, espcially after this latest release of BMI - that thing
has people like Mark McGwire as being "obese" - most every professional athlete
is "obese" according to BMI.

Overweight (for the time being) is about as far as you can get with
that, not "obese".

It sounds obese to me.

Naw, it might be a little overweight.

And no, the charts aren't adjusted for people that spend 4
- 5 nights a week at the gym - they all assume you have an _average_ amount of
muscle, which is not me.

You would need far more than average to justify 220 lbs.

I think I can justify about 200 of it - my personal trainer says I could lose
20... which I'm going to do, and have a good time doing it.

I work like a dog at that. Weight rarely comes down. What happens is that the
fat is melting off. It gets replaced by muscle.

Despite all the peanuts in the car? Then why the attempt to make
corporations responsible for your own overeating?

Its not about me... its about offering the American public only the wrong
choices.

Last week I went from 222 to
220, but only after an unusually intense week of lifting and riding the
cross-training machine. But I went up 20 lbs on the pecs machine, and 20 on the
triceps machine. Think that extra muscle weighs nothing? It doesn't.

I think that people with all muscle and no fat don't post to diet
groups trying to blame corporations for their obesity.

I'm just not happy with having the country get fatter and fatter, simply
because some corporations want to make more money.

Meanwhile, the stomach has largely disappeared, and I actually get compliments
for keeping my weight off since my last (disasterous) diet 2 years ago...

Ah ... you've been on diets more than once.

3 big ones. Never again.

Dieting is not the way.

Eating correctly to begin with is the way. A good diet is a diet for
life.

Something like that.

Wasting food is a sin.

So is getting fat.

Just get corporate America to make smaller everything, so if you really want
1400 calories of burger, you buy 6 of 'em.

Just get Americans in general to take responsibility for their own
lives, instead of always blaming Someone Else for their problems.

McDonald's plain hamburgers are 250 calories - I often eat 'em in
place of other things with even more calories.

How many do you eat at one time?

2

And... this isn't about me... its about Corporations making money at the
expense of the health of the people.

It's about you.

Nope...

DPH

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:54:31 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

Dave Head writes:

McDonald's
250 calorie standard hamburger is a good example - I can eat two of 'em, skip
the fries, and I'm good for hours before I get hungry again.

Eat one instead.

Don't need to - I'm doing quite nicely eating 2. as long as I stay at or under
my metabolism of about 2400 calories... everything is cool. A meal at 500
calories of burgers leaves 1900 for some other meals.

I figure my
metabolism is somewhre around 2200 - 2400 calories a day, so this is really
good to be able to get thru the day and not be attempting to eat my shoes out
of hunger - with portions like that, I can have a snack about any time I want,
and stay within the 2200 - 2400 calories.

You shouldn't need snacks any time you want.

But I like 'em... now _this_ _is_ about me - having a good time without feeling
hungry any time.

Well, good for you. I mean, its great that you can do that and not miss foods
that I would certainly miss.

Yes--it may even keep her from dying of a heart attack.

If I eat a bit too much, or a lot too much, I
just figure its about 5 1/2 minutes on the cross trainer for each 100 calories
over...

Why don't you just figure on not overeating to begin with?

I could do that, but then I'd be hungry... that is sooo unpleasant.

Hey, mostly I don't overeat anyway. 2400 calories is a lotta food - I don't
usually go much over that. But lately I've been knocking down that 2400 to
about 1000 - 1200 with 1200 - 1400 calories of exercise. Fat _does_ disappear
when you're doing that.

I think that the
corporations cannot go blameless for the enlarging of the American waistline
when they package things like the peanuts example at 960 calories, _and_ take
the 1 3/4 - 2 1/2 oz bags _off_ the shelf at the same time.

How do you explain all the people in American who manage to stay
_thin_? If it's the "corporations'" fault, why isn't _everyone_ fat?

There are people that can eat the statue of liberty done in chocolate and not
get fat... my brother was one of 'em.

There are also people that have extremely active jobs - lumberjacks,
construction workers (some of 'em that aren't sitting down operating cranes).

Some of 'em are just naturally on the side of not wanting much food, and not
getting hungry with the frequency and intensity of other. Its like some people
are very sensitive to pain, and others aren't - they go to sleep in dentist
chairs.

If Hardee's want
to offer a 1400 calorie burger, fine... but should also carry the 250 - 300
calorie burger too.

Why? If they don't have what you want, just don't go there.

Well, it turns out they do have a 270 calorie burger. But I like McDonald's
hamburger better...

Dave Head

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:20:58 GMT, Ignoramus3754
wrote:

Responsibility does not have to be allocated solely to one
party. Obviously, people who eat food, are responsible if they eat too
much.

I can go along with that. But wouldn't it be nice to have a situation where
other people (corporations) are working to _help_ us maintain our health,
instead of working against us.

On the other hand, I find it difficult to say that those businesses
who spend billions and try very hard to get their food overeaten
("Can't stop eating 'em"), are completely blameless when their well
financed efforts to get people to overeat, actually succeed.

Excellent analysis, I think.

So, my answer is yes, businesses are indeed responsible, as are people
who eat too much.

Agree entirely.

Dave Head

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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:12:08 -0500, (Gloria) wrote:

This is O T but I'm wondering where you are from. I mean a general idea.
Several Years ago I 'worked' with a person with ths name

glo , who lives in Upsate N Y USA

Virginia. Here for 9 1/2 years so far, 13 in Indianapolis before that,
Fostoria and Toledo Ohio before that.

Dave Head

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:22:53 GMT, (The Queen of Cans and
Jars) wrote:

Dave Head wrote:

Nope, but the corporations have a responsibility to human health the same way
the car companies do when they install air bags and make crush zones in the
cars. They're supposed to _help_ us be safe, rather than tempting us not to
be.

You are the classic Whiny Fat **** In Denial.

It isn't about _me_... Its about millions of people that are fatter than ever
before. It isn't because they suddenly had a change of personality. Its about
what they're being offered as choices, at least in part.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

Hey, I'm eating just about equal to my metabolism, and cranking in maybe 5000
calories a week of exercise. Can _you_ match that?

Dave Head

"Dave Head" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:52:36 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

Dave Head writes:

Its real hard to do where snacks are usually eaten...

A lot of things are hard to do. That doesn't relieve you of
responsibility for doing them.

Nope, but the corporations have a responsibility to human health the same
way
the car companies do when they install air bags and make crush zones in
the
cars. They're supposed to _help_ us be safe, rather than tempting us not
to
be.

Corporations have a responsibility to their shareholders and that's
basically it. The reason they install air bags and make crush zones is
because of laws and because of sales.

If people wanted smaller portion snacks and lower calorie items, they'll be
available. However, take the fast food industry for example - they've
attempted numerous times to put healthier items on their menu but the items
don't sell and they lose money on the proposition.

The facts are that you are solely responsible for your own best interests
and shouldn't be looking for corporate entities or big brother type
government to look out for your back.
--
the volleyballchick

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:11:23 -0800, Karstens Rage wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:
Dave Head writes:
Soooo... corporate culpability is a real thing, as far as I'm concerned, in the
constant fight to eat reasonably.

Until you take responsibility for your own obesity, you'll remain fat.
Nobody forces you to buy any particular brand or order any particular
food.


We can all sit on our sanctimonious high horses and scream "personal
responsibility" as long and and as loud as we like. Unfortunately it
isn't helping. Self-control is very hard and I applaud all of you that
seem to have an overabundance. I applaud myself when I have it too. But
the bottom line is that other people's lack of self control is affecting
everyone. Health care, junk food in schools, and the constant testing of
our own resolve.

I work in a relatively progressive place but because there are two free
vending machines full of junk food and two fridges full of soda, I have
to bring all my own food. I am called a "nut" by several co-workers,
jokingly, but all the same.

So you are welcome to blame me for my lack of self control. You are
welcome to blame every fat person you see (I try to take extremely good
care of my body and I find that I struggle constantly; its never easy in
this culture). But how is that helping? If you are willing to accept
that people lack the necessary self control, then how are you going to
solve the problem without removing the temptation. The temptation is
force fed to us by the corporations who have no motivations other than
money. They would literally squeeze us dry if they could.

I will look to start blaming individuals rather than corporations when...
- people have to spend an inordinate percentage of their time, effort
and income to get junk food.
- people are inundated with billions of dollars worth of marketing about
how you are only a good person if you eat healthy food.
- when doctors start prescribing exercise and healthy diet rather an a
little white pill to take care of all your ills.
- when government outlaws the sale and advertising of junk food to minors
- when all junk food carries warning labels about obesity, risk of
heart disease, cancer, etc.

k

Well said.

Dave Head

"Dave Head" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:36:52 -0500, Carol Frilegh
wrote:
Should Fredericks of Hollywood be banned to prevent rape and seduction?

Maybe they should offer less revealing stuff, but its not the same thing -
they
are a _specialty_ store, while the fast food store is an "everybody's"
store.

Wrong. Fast food joints are a specialty also. They're not an "everybody"
place. Not "everybody" eats at them.
--
the volleyballchick

Dave Head wrote:

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:22:53 GMT, (The Queen of Cans and
Jars) wrote:

Dave Head wrote:

Nope, but the corporations have a responsibility to human health the
same way the car companies do when they install air bags and make crush
zones in the cars. They're supposed to _help_ us be safe, rather than
tempting us not to be.

You are the classic Whiny Fat **** In Denial.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

BTDT.

But, its not about me.

Bull****.