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Icrazyhorsei wrote:
The "image" in the bible is translated from a word that more closely approximates "soul" than anything like a physical or intellectual representation. The vital force rather than any activity or capacity. Hmmm. Got an explanatory link for this, Pastorio? No challenge, I was just thinking about it recently. I couldn't find an interlinear or parallel translation online. These circle the subject and make the point. http://custance.org/Library/Volume7/Part_VI/Man.html http://tinyurl.com/raer http://users.panola.com/aubrey/Genesis/gen07.htm Image is translated from a word with a root in the concept of shadow. Likeness denotes resemblance. Given the incorporeality of god, they must refer to characteristics other than the physical. Some theologians have split these hairs rather finely and talk about image as the inherent godlike properties we were created with and likeness what became available with salvation. Too argumentative and too fussy and too interpretive. Like 3-dimensional beings trying to understand a 4-dimensional tesseract. http://pw1.netcom.com/~hjsmith/WireFrame4/tesseract.html I understand it! It's a wrinkle in time! c Friends of Madeline L'engle Exactly. Pastorio |
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marengo wrote: "Bob Pastorio" wrote in message ... Anthropomorphism is attributing human characteristics to non-humans. It is utterly central to religions. If god couldn't hear and see people, there would be no point in the existence. If god didn't exhibit human characteristics like mercy and compassion, there's no point to the belief. Actually, man has an inherently evil (sinful) nature according to the Christian Bible. The characteristics of mercy and compassion are God's, and only imitated by man because of His grace-- not visa-versa. If one is to literally believe the Bible, then Man was created in God's image. So God exhibiting human characteristics is not anthropormorphism; exactly the oposite. It is Man who is attributed God's characteristics! Theopomorphism? OTOH, does God really laugh, weep, speak, anger, love, etc.? Or are these descriptions of His emotions and reactions only put in those terms so that we mere humans might comprehend a purely spiritual being in the limited context of our fleshly, sensual experience? This would be true anthropormorphism, but would also be extreme metaphor and shoot the hell out of the concept that the Bible is the *literal* Word of God. Interesting paradox. Peter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo Well since we're OFF subject..let us go by "EXPERIENCE" where GOD is concerned. Having MET and SEEN GOD in a cogent moment of trouble...I feel that I can and WILL speak from experience. GOD ( both male and female) appears from time to time to those HE/SHE apparently deems worth the trouble. I feel VERY HUMBLED as do a few others I've met including females who've been spoke to IN PERSON by the "GODDESS" who takes care of the feminine gender. (this is NO LIE) I was about to have a pair of HIT men from St Louis come my way in about two weeks and I and ANOTHER PSYCHIC LADY WHO NAMED THEM, DESCRIBES THEM, TOLD ME WHEN AND WHERE THEY WOULD LAND AND WHAT KIND OF AIRCRAFT THEY WERE FLYING. I phoned my friends in the FBI and asked for a FAVOR which they granted, I then found the Airport where thes two thugs landed in an MU-2 Mistubishi trubo-jet with which I was very familair. I also was given a telephone number that was being watched by the local Police..thereby killing TWO birds with one stone..I had re-painted my pickup truck...taken off the camper and replaced it with a saddle and also mae a silencer for my high powered rifle. I stayed under their noses for the 7 days they were here and watched their every move. When they left (at the exact time predicted) they were waylayed by the FBI for about 6 hrs before they were allowed to leave, The PAIR of individuals that has HIRED them were BOTH killed in an AUTO accident about 30 days later., at the junction of hwy 32 and 614. Another very CHRISTIAN lady I knew was painting a sign on a special ROCK she had claimed as her own and told me what she had witnessed.. I later saw the account in the local News. NOW..is GOD acting in favour of someone?? I pray so. "VENGEANCE IS MINE" SAYETH THE LORD!!! This incident along with the PERSONAL visit Dec 28th 1998 that set the stage for me, made me an even GREATER Believer in HIS Omnipotence. TO say the least.I feel HIS protection!! B-0b1 |
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marengo wrote: "Bob Pastorio" wrote in message ... We behave just like all other predators with the solitary exception of having the tool-using capacity well-developed. . Not true at all, and you don't really believe it etither . The main distinguishing haractersitic hat separates man from other animals is *self-awareness! combined with intelligence to be able to control and modify those instinctive animal behaviors. No other "predators" share this characteristic. Would you rather sit in, say, a Doctor's waiting room for a half hour alone with 5 lions or five people? -- Answer this honestly, and you'll find you really *don't* believe what you said! -- Peter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo I disagree...the MAIN difference between MAN and animal is thet THEY make their OWN Vitamin "C"...we do NOT!! B-0b1 |
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Bob Pastorio wrote: marengo wrote: "Bob Pastorio" wrote in message ... Anthropomorphism is attributing human characteristics to non-humans. It is utterly central to religions. If god couldn't hear and see people, there would be no point in the existence. If god didn't exhibit human characteristics like mercy and compassion, there's no point to the belief. Actually, man has an inherently evil (sinful) nature according to the Christian Bible. The characteristics of mercy and compassion are God's, and only imitated by man because of His grace-- not visa-versa. If one is to literally believe the Bible, then Man was created in God's image. The "image" in the bible is translated from a word that more closely approximates "soul" than anything like a physical or intellectual representation. The vital force rather than any activity or capacity. So God exhibiting human characteristics is not anthropormorphism; exactly the oposite. It is Man who is attributed God's characteristics! Theopomorphism? I mildly disagree. The names for the characteristics and the definitions are human work. There's no requirement for god to behave in any fashion. That humans are able to demonstrate any of them might as well be attributed to a combination of free will (and the subsequent understanding of vested self-interest) and punishment for exercising that same free will in "unacceptable" fashion. There's a paradox. OTOH, does God really laugh, weep, speak, anger, love, etc.? Or are these descriptions of His emotions and reactions only put in those terms so that we mere humans might comprehend a purely spiritual being in the limited context of our fleshly, sensual experience? This would be true anthropormorphism, but would also be extreme metaphor and shoot the hell out of the concept that the Bible is the *literal* Word of God. Interesting paradox. Indeed. And the paradoxes pile atop each other. To describe this ostensibly omnipotent, incorporeal force in human terms is a final sort of paradox. To be and not be at the same time. Like 3-dimensional beings trying to understand a 4-dimensional tesseract. http://pw1.netcom.com/~hjsmith/WireFrame4/tesseract.html Pastorio Let us examine the premise above, GOD ( Greatest Of Dieties= plural) The GOD we know is head HONCHO in the 7th dimensions above those of the 6th Dimension we call: HEAVEN. It in itself has many levels...including the central level known as the LIBRARY or the AKASHA. The AKASHIC RECORDS enumerate both past and future and this LEVEl is over-seen by AZRIEL..the source of the "burning Bush" seen by MOSES. If one is Psychic enough, this level is OPEN and the informaton there-in is available..including past ,present, and Future. ALL one has to do is ASK and the info IS available! ANYONE can be a "psychic" if he or she desires. Azriel is there to ANSWER all questons put to HIM! St Peter is also available to answer ANY querry put to him via "automatic writing or other "scrying" techniques,) B-0b1 |
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"B-Ob1" wrote I disagree...the MAIN difference between MAN and animal is thet THEY make their OWN Vitamin "C"...we do NOT!! B-0b1 The deepness of your philosophical thought processes are impressive. But I have enough .sigs, so thanks, anyway. David -- "They are suffering from osteo porosis because their Kreb's Cycle is shot...any questions??"---Dr Ob1 aka B-Ob1 |
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Steve wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:17:38 -0400, marengo wrote (in message ): "Bob Pastorio" wrote in message ... We behave just like all other predators with the solitary exception of having the tool-using capacity well-developed. . Not true at all, and you don't really believe it etither . The main distinguishing haractersitic hat separates man from other animals is *self-awareness! Some other animals have been shown to be self-aware and there is no a-priori reason to assume that all others are not. combined with intelligence to be able to control and modify those instinctive animal behaviors. Intelligence and control are two completely distinct faculties. If they were the same there would be no fat smart people, among other things. Would you rather sit in, say, a Doctor's waiting room for a half hour alone with 5 lions or five people? Depends on the people and the lions :-) But all kidding aside, from the lions' point of view, eating the person would probably be the intelligent choice so I fail to see how that demonstraes your premise. Steve THE primary difference betwen high order animals and low order Hu-mans is: that THEY, the animals ,produce their OWN Vitmin C and WE, the supposed superior "animal" do NOT!!! therefore they are naturally healthier than we while we suffer from our OWN ignorance..they live happily in the BLISS of eating anything that GOD made for them! WE have CHOICE of Health or sickness and are too damned ignorant to tell the difference. B-0b1 |
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In article , B-Ob1 wrote:
I disagree...the MAIN difference between MAN and animal is thet THEY make their OWN Vitamin "C"...we do NOT!! B-0b1 I'd expect that sort of "reasoning" from a guinea pig. Seth -- "There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate" -- Will Brink Except sushi rice, seaweed, and wasabi. |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:58:42 GMT, DZ posted:
Seth Breidbart wrote: In article , B-Ob1 wrote: I disagree...the MAIN difference between MAN and animal is thet THEY make their OWN Vitamin "C"...we do NOT!! B-0b1 I'd expect that sort of "reasoning" from a guinea pig. also bats and salmon Thanks. I knew there were others, but not which ones. |
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"Moosh!" wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:58:42 GMT, DZ posted: Seth Breidbart wrote: In article , B-Ob1 wrote: I disagree...the MAIN difference between MAN and animal is thet THEY make their OWN Vitamin "C"...we do NOT!! B-0b1 I'd expect that sort of "reasoning" from a guinea pig. also bats and salmon Thanks. I knew there were others, but not which ones. The other apes can't synthesize vitamin C either, but since they consume grams of it a day, that's never a problem for them. MattLB |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:22:37 +0100, MattLB
posted: "Moosh!" wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:58:42 GMT, DZ posted: Seth Breidbart wrote: In article , B-Ob1 wrote: I disagree...the MAIN difference between MAN and animal is thet THEY make their OWN Vitamin "C"...we do NOT!! B-0b1 I'd expect that sort of "reasoning" from a guinea pig. also bats and salmon Thanks. I knew there were others, but not which ones. The other apes can't synthesize vitamin C either, but since they consume grams of it a day, that's never a problem for them. Thanks Matt. I guessed they would not make their own ascorbic acid. If you are never ever short of it, you won't likely evolve to make it, unless by accident. |
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