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Old December 23rd, 2007, 07:42 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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Someone here I believe mentioned steel cut oats, so I gave them a try.
They are absolutely delicious. The nutrition is exactly the same as
rolled oats....100% whole oats, but the texture and taste is
different...more of a nutty flavor and not quite so creamy. They have
no retained water from the package so they are 2X as dense as rolled
oats making each 1/4 cup (40 g)= 150 calories, but they soak up the
water more so you are left with the exact same size serving as you are
with rolled oats. It takes longer to cook the steel cut oats, and the
easiest way to do it is to bring the oats and water to a boil (in the
microwave is easiest), then just let them sit overnight. The next day,
reheat to boiling and cook a couple of minutes and they are ready to
go. At first the price might look more expensive, but they are often
cheaper than rolled oats because you aren't paying for water and 1 cup
of steel cut oats equals 2 cups of rolled oats in calories and
nutrition, but not in weight of course. Popular brands are Bob's Red
Mill, Hodgson Mill, McCanns, and of course Quaker, but there are
several other brands. They are also called Irish oatmeal. They are
just whole grain oats that have been cut into smaller size
pieces...perhaps about 20 pieces per grain of oat, sort of the
equivalent of cracked corn if you've ever seen that. Delicious. dkw
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Old December 24th, 2007, 06:00 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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Someone here I believe mentioned steel cut oats, so I gave them a try.
They are absolutely delicious. The nutrition is exactly the same as
rolled oats....100% whole oats, but the texture and taste is
different...more of a nutty flavor and not quite so creamy. They have
no retained water from the package so they are 2X as dense as rolled
oats making each 1/4 cup (40 g)= 150 calories, but they soak up the
water more so you are left with the exact same size serving as you are
with rolled oats. It takes longer to cook the steel cut oats, and the
easiest way to do it is to bring the oats and water to a boil (in the
microwave is easiest), then just let them sit overnight. The next day,
reheat to boiling and cook a couple of minutes and they are ready to
go. At first the price might look more expensive, but they are often
cheaper than rolled oats because you aren't paying for water and 1 cup
of steel cut oats equals 2 cups of rolled oats in calories and
nutrition, but not in weight of course. Popular brands are Bob's Red
Mill, Hodgson Mill, McCanns, and of course Quaker, but there are
several other brands. They are also called Irish oatmeal. They are
just whole grain oats that have been cut into smaller size
pieces...perhaps about 20 pieces per grain of oat, sort of the
equivalent of cracked corn if you've ever seen that. Delicious.


I love steel cut oats and when I eat oatmeal, it's almost always steel cut
now. I have some old fashioned rolled oats on hand for when I don't have
time to prepare steel cut. I also use the overnight soak method and usually
make 4 servings at a time. I put the leftovers in individual containers and
they keep well in the fridge. Each morning I add whatever I want to a
serving so it's not the same thing every time. One day I might put banana
in and the next I might put raisins or other dried fruit.

Each groat is cut into only 2-3 pieces, not 20. You can get them cheapest
in the bulk bins of health food stores.

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Old December 24th, 2007, 06:39 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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Someone here I believe mentioned steel cut oats, so I gave them a try.
They are absolutely delicious. The nutrition is exactly the same as
rolled oats....100% whole oats, but the texture and taste is
different...more of a nutty flavor and not quite so creamy. They have
no retained water from the package so they are 2X as dense as rolled
oats making each 1/4 cup (40 g)= 150 calories, but they soak up the
water more so you are left with the exact same size serving as you are
with rolled oats. It takes longer to cook the steel cut oats, and the
easiest way to do it is to bring the oats and water to a boil (in the
microwave is easiest), then just let them sit overnight. The next day,
reheat to boiling and cook a couple of minutes and they are ready to
go. At first the price might look more expensive, but they are often
cheaper than rolled oats because you aren't paying for water and 1 cup
of steel cut oats equals 2 cups of rolled oats in calories and
nutrition, but not in weight of course. Popular brands are Bob's Red
Mill, Hodgson Mill, McCanns, and of course Quaker, but there are
several other brands. They are also called Irish oatmeal. They are
just whole grain oats that have been cut into smaller size
pieces...perhaps about 20 pieces per grain of oat, sort of the
equivalent of cracked corn if you've ever seen that. Delicious.


I love steel cut oats and when I eat oatmeal, it's almost always steel cut
now. *I have some old fashioned rolled oats on hand for when I don't have
time to prepare steel cut. *I also use the overnight soak method and usually
make 4 servings at a time. *I put the leftovers in individual containers and
they keep well in the fridge. *Each morning I add whatever I want to a
serving so it's not the same thing every time. *One day I might put banana
in and the next I might put raisins or other dried fruit.

Each groat is cut into only 2-3 pieces, not 20. *You can get them cheapest
in the bulk bins of health food stores.

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Thanks. Unfortunately, I will look into the bulk steel cut oats the
next time I'm in San Antonio. It seems like it would be just as easy
to just not do anything to the oats and leave them whole. I guess a
groat means a kernal of oat. I've never seen whole non-rolled oats
except in horse feed. I'm not sure why they even need to be cut at
all. Heck, since rolled tastes different than steel-cut, whole oats
might even taste different from the other two. I'm tempted to try the
feed store. That would be the least expensive supply of oats by far. I
mean Purina isn't exactly what you think of for human food, but no
reason to think it would be any less safe than human food.

Marketing is a huge expense. Many drug Co. make animal antibiotics
(not approved for humans) much cheaper than the human variety. Nobody
could convince me they are different though. Same with machinery like
tractors. You could pay $7,000 for a 40 HP agricultural tractor that
you could use to plow a field, but a smaller "consumer products"
version of the same tractor which is lighter, smaller and you can only
use to ride around and cut your estate grass costs twice as much.
Farmers simply won't pay more for a small agricultural tractor.

If I were back in Montana, I would just go to a farmer and buy some
oats, but I've not seen any oats growing in this part of Tx. dkw
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Old December 24th, 2007, 08:08 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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Thanks. Unfortunately, I will look into the bulk steel cut oats the
next time I'm in San Antonio. It seems like it would be just as easy
to just not do anything to the oats and leave them whole. I guess a
groat means a kernal of oat. I've never seen whole non-rolled oats
except in horse feed. I'm not sure why they even need to be cut at
all. Heck, since rolled tastes different than steel-cut, whole oats
might even taste different from the other two. I'm tempted to try the
feed store. That would be the least expensive supply of oats by far. I
mean Purina isn't exactly what you think of for human food, but no
reason to think it would be any less safe than human food.


The only reason I can think of why they cut the oats is for cooking. I'm
guessing water/milk/whatever might have a hard time getting inside a whole
grain, but if it's cut it will cook faster. If you cook steel cut oats
without soaking them overnight it can take about 40 minutes, so I'm guessing
it would take a lot longer to cook whole oats.

I don't think I'd buy anything from a feed store, though! I'm guessing the
standards applied to animal feed (storage, number of bug parts allowed etc)
might not be as strict as it is for human food.

You can also look online for bulk foods. I just did a quick search to see
if anyone sells whole oats, and found this place:

http://www.bulkfoodpantry.com/wheat.htm

25 pounds of whole oats for $12.60, although I'm sure the shipping charge
costs more than the oats.

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Old December 25th, 2007, 01:27 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Dec 24, 11:08*am, "Elizabeth Blake"
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Thanks. Unfortunately, I will look into the bulk steel cut oats the
next time I'm in San Antonio. It seems like it would be just as easy
to just not do anything to the oats and leave them whole. I guess a
groat means a kernal of oat. I've never seen whole non-rolled oats
except in horse feed. I'm not sure why they even need to be cut at
all. Heck, since rolled tastes different than steel-cut, whole oats
might even taste different from the other two. I'm tempted to try the
feed store. That would be the least expensive supply of oats by far. I
mean Purina isn't exactly what you think of for human food, but no
reason to think it would be any less safe than human food.


The only reason I can think of why they cut the oats is for cooking. *I'm
guessing water/milk/whatever might have a hard time getting inside a whole
grain, but if it's cut it will cook faster. *If you cook steel cut oats
without soaking them overnight it can take about 40 minutes, so I'm guessing
it would take a lot longer to cook whole oats.

I don't think I'd buy anything from a feed store, though! *I'm guessing the
standards applied to animal feed (storage, number of bug parts allowed etc)
might not be as strict as it is for human food.

You can also look online for bulk foods. *I just did a quick search to see
if anyone sells whole oats, and found this place:

http://www.bulkfoodpantry.com/wheat.htm

25 pounds of whole oats for $12.60, although I'm sure the shipping charge
costs more than the oats.

--
Liz


Right. You could get them from a farmer at the going rate of about
$1.25 per bushel (8 gallons). Most likely if you showed up at the
right time with bags, you could get enough oats to last several years
for $5. Back in Indiana I lived in a rural area that raised a lot of
popcorn. There you just asked the farmer if you could glean some after
the picker went through. They would all let you. What you did was go
to the corners where the combine makes a turn and knocks over the corn
instead of harvesting it. I never bought popcorn. I also never bought
field corn for the same reason and fed 4 goats the corn, plus other
stuff of course. Like I said, the price of oats is almost all
marketing and middle men. Anyway, I have 8 packages of steel cut oats
(17 servings each pkg.) on hand and 3 boxes of the cheapo WalMart
rolled oats each with 30 servings, so I won't be needing any for a
while. The Walmart rolled oats sell for 1.92 per box which is .06 per
serving. Steel cuts are still very cheap, although about about 3X that
much if you buy any of the brand names...more for organic. I have to
laugh when people talk about how expensive it is to eat a vegetarian
diet. Like anything else, you can pay for food or you can pay for
hype, marketing, specialty brands, or exotic foods, but the standard
vegetarian fare is not at all expensive.

The hype doesn't stop with human food either. I notice the expensive
samples of dog food I get at a local pet store uses oats with the
claim that most other dog foods do not contain oats because they are
so expensive. Ha. dkw
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Old December 27th, 2007, 06:16 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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Right. You could get them from a farmer at the going rate of about
$1.25 per bushel (8 gallons). Most likely if you showed up at the
right time with bags, you could get enough oats to last several years
for $5. Back in Indiana I lived in a rural area that raised a lot of
popcorn. There you just asked the farmer if you could glean some after
the picker went through. They would all let you. What you did was go
to the corners where the combine makes a turn and knocks over the corn
instead of harvesting it. I never bought popcorn. I also never bought
field corn for the same reason and fed 4 goats the corn, plus other
stuff of course. Like I said, the price of oats is almost all
marketing and middle men. Anyway, I have 8 packages of steel cut oats
(17 servings each pkg.) on hand and 3 boxes of the cheapo WalMart
rolled oats each with 30 servings, so I won't be needing any for a
while. The Walmart rolled oats sell for 1.92 per box which is .06 per
serving. Steel cuts are still very cheap, although about about 3X that
much if you buy any of the brand names...more for organic. I have to
laugh when people talk about how expensive it is to eat a vegetarian
diet. Like anything else, you can pay for food or you can pay for
hype, marketing, specialty brands, or exotic foods, but the standard
vegetarian fare is not at all expensive.


The hype doesn't stop with human food either. I notice the expensive
samples of dog food I get at a local pet store uses oats with the
claim that most other dog foods do not contain oats because they are
so expensive. Ha. dkw


I'm in NYC so there are no local farms for me to buy oats or other food from
directly. There's also no WalMart. I can get steel cut oats from the
health food stores for about $1-$1.30/pound. Sure, they're cheaper out
there somewhere but for NYC that's a good deal, and much cheaper than buying
the fancy tin of McCann's Irish Oatmeal. Since I don't buy rolled oats
often I'm not sure what they cost but they're usually cheaper than steel
cut, which is odd. I think the rolled oats, at least the instant & quick
cooking (the stuff that cooks in about 5 minutes) are partially
cooked/steamed before they're rolled, which is why you can prepare them
quickly in the morning for breakfast. Seems like more steps are involved in
making rolled oats and those should cost more.

When you buy stuff in the supermarket you're also pay a whole lot of money
for packaging. The McCann's steel cut oats that come in a fancy tin are no
different than the oats in the bulk bin or a cardboard box, but the stuff in
the tin costs about $6 here. You can get a whole lot of aots in a plastic
bag at the health food store for that same $6, and put it in your own tin at
home. I store all of my bulk items in Lock & Lock boxes. Nothing has ever
spoiled in those.

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Old December 27th, 2007, 06:44 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Dec 26, 9:16*pm, "Elizabeth Blake"
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Right. You could get them from a farmer at the going rate of about
$1.25 per bushel (8 gallons). Most likely if you showed up at the
right time with bags, you could get enough oats to last several years
for $5. Back in Indiana I lived in a rural area that raised a lot of
popcorn. There you just asked the farmer if you could glean some after
the picker went through. They would all let you. What you did was go
to the corners where the combine makes a turn and knocks over the corn
instead of harvesting it. I never bought popcorn. I also never bought
field corn for the same reason and fed 4 goats the corn, plus other
stuff of course. Like I said, the price of oats is almost all
marketing and middle men. Anyway, I have 8 packages of steel cut oats
(17 servings each pkg.) on hand and 3 boxes of the cheapo WalMart
rolled oats each with 30 servings, so I won't be needing any for a
while. The Walmart rolled oats sell for 1.92 per box which is .06 per
serving. Steel cuts are still very cheap, although about about 3X that
much if you buy any of the brand names...more for organic. I have to
laugh when people talk about how expensive it is to eat a vegetarian
diet. Like anything else, you can pay for food or you can pay for
hype, marketing, specialty brands, or exotic foods, but the standard
vegetarian fare is not at all expensive.
The hype doesn't stop with human food either. I notice the expensive
samples of dog food I get at a local pet store uses oats with the
claim that most other dog foods do not contain oats because they are
so expensive. Ha. dkw


I'm in NYC so there are no local farms for me to buy oats or other food from
directly. *There's also no WalMart. *I can get steel cut oats from the
health food stores for about $1-$1.30/pound. *Sure, they're cheaper out
there somewhere but for NYC that's a good deal, and much cheaper than buying
the fancy tin of McCann's Irish Oatmeal. *Since I don't buy rolled oats
often I'm not sure what they cost but they're usually cheaper than steel
cut, which is odd. *I think the rolled oats, at least the instant & quick
cooking (the stuff that cooks in about 5 minutes) are partially
cooked/steamed before they're rolled, which is why you can prepare them
quickly in the morning for breakfast. *Seems like more steps are involved in
making rolled oats and those should cost more.

When you buy stuff in the supermarket you're also pay a whole lot of money
for packaging. *The McCann's steel cut oats that come in a fancy tin are no
different than the oats in the bulk bin or a cardboard box, but the stuff in
the tin costs about $6 here. *You can get a whole lot of aots in a plastic
bag at the health food store for that same $6, and put it in your own tin at
home. *I store all of my bulk items in Lock & Lock boxes. *Nothing has ever
spoiled in those.

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Rolled oats are cheaper than steel cut oats because rolled oats
contain much more water. That is why a serving size of rolled is 1/2
cup and a serving of steel cut is 1/4 cup...dry in both cases and both
serving sizes are 150 cal of oats. In fact, rolling oats really means
cooking them, then rolling them a couple of times. They are still
whole oat, but the texture and taste does seem to change as compared
to when you cook them at home. dkw
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:16:04 -0500, Elizabeth Blake wrote:


When you buy stuff in the supermarket you're also pay a whole lot of money
for packaging. The McCann's steel cut oats that come in a fancy tin are no
different than the oats in the bulk bin or a cardboard box, but the stuff in
the tin costs about $6 here. You can get a whole lot of aots in a plastic
bag at the health food store for that same $6, and put it in your own tin at
home. I store all of my bulk items in Lock & Lock boxes. Nothing has ever
spoiled in those.


The first time I bought steel cut oats, I did buy the McCann's...
because I liked the look of the fancy tin and figured I could re-use
it for storage.

But since then, I buy at a much lower price at my health food store. I
think they cost like $1.02 per pound. I wouldn't say they are
identical, the McCann's definitely is more uniform in cut, but
otherwise, for nutrition and taste... no difference really.

I keep both the steel cut and rolled on hand... the rolled are a
little quicker to fix if I'm pressed on time and they also go nicely
into smoothies.

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Old January 14th, 2008, 05:46 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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"Cynthia P" wrote in message
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The first time I bought steel cut oats, I did buy the McCann's...
because I liked the look of the fancy tin and figured I could
re-use
it for storage.


I've tought about buying McCann's for the same reason, just to get
the tin. I have tons of storage containers and keep all of my bulk
items in Lock & Lock boxes, so I never did get the McCann's tin.

I keep both the steel cut and rolled on hand... the rolled are a
little quicker to fix if I'm pressed on time and they also go
nicely
into smoothies.


I also keep rolled oats on hand for the same reason. They're also
useful for other recipes. I'm not a smoothies person, since I like
chewing my food, but adding oats sounds... interesting!

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Our stats are almost the same. I started at 268, and now 180 and my
goal is 150-155. Have to remember to redo my sig after crashing my
computer and losing it...

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