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"Gal Called J.J." wrote in message ... I recognize a couple of those in myself -- thanks, Mary, quite an eye-opener... It's really been a good read for me ... and I've been developing my own list which I will post, and would love to hear any input as to your own reactions. Thanks, J.J.! Mary |
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"Gal Called J.J." wrote in message ... I recognize a couple of those in myself -- thanks, Mary, quite an eye-opener... It's really been a good read for me ... and I've been developing my own list which I will post, and would love to hear any input as to your own reactions. Thanks, J.J.! Mary |
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"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message ... In article , Gal Called J.J. wrote: One time on Usenet, "Mary M/Ohio" said: snip "What does your weight loss say for you? "Notice I don't look different from most others. It's not about me I am in charge of myself. I feel competent I am a good mother. NOT! Don't feel sorry for me. I still don't want sex. I am stable and dependable. Don't mess with me. I expect to live up to my commitments I don't need to be perfect. Respect my boundaries I feel angry when it's appropriate. I strive to be all I can be. I am worthy. I have not given up. I am loyal to myself first I like being grown up. I was not put in this world to live up to your expectations. I will level with you when things bother me about our relationship Sometimes I need space and solitude. I enjoy love, acceptance and praise, but am not addicted to them" You are funny, Carol -- and a lot of these were very thought-provoking for me. I like the concept of "what does your weight LOSS say about you" -- I wouldn't have thought of that! Mary |
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"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message ... In article , Gal Called J.J. wrote: One time on Usenet, "Mary M/Ohio" said: snip "What does your weight loss say for you? "Notice I don't look different from most others. It's not about me I am in charge of myself. I feel competent I am a good mother. NOT! Don't feel sorry for me. I still don't want sex. I am stable and dependable. Don't mess with me. I expect to live up to my commitments I don't need to be perfect. Respect my boundaries I feel angry when it's appropriate. I strive to be all I can be. I am worthy. I have not given up. I am loyal to myself first I like being grown up. I was not put in this world to live up to your expectations. I will level with you when things bother me about our relationship Sometimes I need space and solitude. I enjoy love, acceptance and praise, but am not addicted to them" You are funny, Carol -- and a lot of these were very thought-provoking for me. I like the concept of "what does your weight LOSS say about you" -- I wouldn't have thought of that! Mary |
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Mary M/Ohio wrote:
"Dally" wrote in message ... By the way, I just finised reading "Passing for Thin" by Frances Kuffel and it was an astonishingly good book. I need to read that one too-- thanks for the reminder! It's roughly broken down into three sections: "The Planet of Fat", "Leaving the Planet of Fat" and "Arriving at the Planet of Girl." I never got as obese as she did, and I don't have her food addiction issues in the same sense, but nearly everything she wrote was familiar. It was an excellent read. I am going to look for it-- it sounds like "me." Frankly, I thought you might have written it. My guess is it's going to scare you how much she got inside your head. Thanks for sharing your thoughts -- you often cause me to stop and think about the deeper issues of getting/being/staying/reversing overweight. Thanks for the nice compliment. Dally 244/170-ish/165 |
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Mary M/Ohio wrote:
"Dally" wrote in message ... By the way, I just finised reading "Passing for Thin" by Frances Kuffel and it was an astonishingly good book. I need to read that one too-- thanks for the reminder! It's roughly broken down into three sections: "The Planet of Fat", "Leaving the Planet of Fat" and "Arriving at the Planet of Girl." I never got as obese as she did, and I don't have her food addiction issues in the same sense, but nearly everything she wrote was familiar. It was an excellent read. I am going to look for it-- it sounds like "me." Frankly, I thought you might have written it. My guess is it's going to scare you how much she got inside your head. Thanks for sharing your thoughts -- you often cause me to stop and think about the deeper issues of getting/being/staying/reversing overweight. Thanks for the nice compliment. Dally 244/170-ish/165 |
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"Mary M/Ohio" wrote in message ... "Dally" wrote in message ... I found the same concept in the book "Fattitudes" by Willard. I need to get that one from the library. It was a really useful exercise for me to go through and list the benefits of being fat. I did it online, actually, and it was horribly revealing. Even worse because one of the guys on MFW saw it here and thought it was hilarious and cross-posted it over to MFW so they could laugh at me. All I can say to that is, consider the source. I have no use for that newsgroup -- to me, a bunch of misanthropic, self-appointed experts who make a perfect case study of why *not* to take the ECA stack. I can get better information from any other source. "Don't walk away from negative people -- run." Exactly. It's like saying, 'wow, it really hurt when they beat to a pulp, but I deserved it.' No one deserves the abuse others give them, simple as that. Martha |
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"Mary M/Ohio" wrote in message ... "Dally" wrote in message ... I found the same concept in the book "Fattitudes" by Willard. I need to get that one from the library. It was a really useful exercise for me to go through and list the benefits of being fat. I did it online, actually, and it was horribly revealing. Even worse because one of the guys on MFW saw it here and thought it was hilarious and cross-posted it over to MFW so they could laugh at me. All I can say to that is, consider the source. I have no use for that newsgroup -- to me, a bunch of misanthropic, self-appointed experts who make a perfect case study of why *not* to take the ECA stack. I can get better information from any other source. "Don't walk away from negative people -- run." Exactly. It's like saying, 'wow, it really hurt when they beat to a pulp, but I deserved it.' No one deserves the abuse others give them, simple as that. Martha |
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"Mary M/Ohio" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message oups.com... I've also recently read Passing for Thin. I agree that it's very good, and very thought-provoking. I also don't have the same sort of addiction issues, but the issues of changing self-image are very real to me and are very well handled in the book. After reading what Mary wrote, I'm going to go over to amazon and order "The Solution". I really fascinated by the self-image aspect of all this right now. Me too! I am having a hard time, even gravitating toward larger clothes that I think would fit me well, or too-small clothes that look like they would fit when they're on the hanger, but then it turns out I can't even squeeze them over my torso. Having a very hard time with what I actually look like and what fits me. Clothing manufacturers don't help with their arbitrary sizes, either! Sometimes I swim in a Large -- sometimes I can't even get a Large onto my pinky! I still have the same problem, though there is quite a disparity between manufacturers so a large in one brand won't always be the same as a large in another brand. I had a friend explain to me that due to the manufacturing process, most jeans of even the same brand can have quite the variation within the same size. I still have a lot of difficult thinking of myself as a fairly small person, which I really am right now. When I'm shopping for clothing, I find it very strange to go to the smallest end of the rack. Oddly, though, size 6 clothes don't look small to me -- they just sort of look like "my size" -- no different than a size 22 used to look to me when I looked at it. I am having these same feelings of disparity. Me too. Of course, now if I look at a 22 it seems really big, Sometimes a 22 looks like it will fit me fine. :-) but somehow inside my head I don't really feel much different. I suppose this is changing a bit over time and will continue to; we shall see :-). It is certainly an interesting experience, isn't it -- I feel like I'm dealing with issues that normal people deal with when they're about 14. :-) Thanks for your thoughts, Chris -- I am always interested in what you have to say, and you are a great example for me. That's a really interesting way of putting it. It describes a lot of what I went through and am still doing to a lesser extent. I had to get a few friends to help me figure out some clothing issues. Jenn |
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"Mary M/Ohio" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message oups.com... I've also recently read Passing for Thin. I agree that it's very good, and very thought-provoking. I also don't have the same sort of addiction issues, but the issues of changing self-image are very real to me and are very well handled in the book. After reading what Mary wrote, I'm going to go over to amazon and order "The Solution". I really fascinated by the self-image aspect of all this right now. Me too! I am having a hard time, even gravitating toward larger clothes that I think would fit me well, or too-small clothes that look like they would fit when they're on the hanger, but then it turns out I can't even squeeze them over my torso. Having a very hard time with what I actually look like and what fits me. Clothing manufacturers don't help with their arbitrary sizes, either! Sometimes I swim in a Large -- sometimes I can't even get a Large onto my pinky! I still have the same problem, though there is quite a disparity between manufacturers so a large in one brand won't always be the same as a large in another brand. I had a friend explain to me that due to the manufacturing process, most jeans of even the same brand can have quite the variation within the same size. I still have a lot of difficult thinking of myself as a fairly small person, which I really am right now. When I'm shopping for clothing, I find it very strange to go to the smallest end of the rack. Oddly, though, size 6 clothes don't look small to me -- they just sort of look like "my size" -- no different than a size 22 used to look to me when I looked at it. I am having these same feelings of disparity. Me too. Of course, now if I look at a 22 it seems really big, Sometimes a 22 looks like it will fit me fine. :-) but somehow inside my head I don't really feel much different. I suppose this is changing a bit over time and will continue to; we shall see :-). It is certainly an interesting experience, isn't it -- I feel like I'm dealing with issues that normal people deal with when they're about 14. :-) Thanks for your thoughts, Chris -- I am always interested in what you have to say, and you are a great example for me. That's a really interesting way of putting it. It describes a lot of what I went through and am still doing to a lesser extent. I had to get a few friends to help me figure out some clothing issues. Jenn |
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