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Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they usually
rebound and gain the weight back.

The use of complex carbohydrates in the diet in a balanced way (as in
the Zone diet) accomplishes the health benefits such as having a lower
fasting insulin level without the risks.

On 12 Jul 2004 20:33:55 -0700, Randy Smith, MD
wrote:

Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they usually
rebound and gain the weight back.

The use of complex carbohydrates in the diet in a balanced way (as in
the Zone diet) accomplishes the health benefits such as having a lower
fasting insulin level without the risks.

What? You've apparently never read the Atkins book, have you? I've been
following Atkins now for almost two years, and I have a much lower fasting
glucose level, better triglycerides, higher HDL, and better TC/HDL ratio.
There is no evidence whatsoever that protein causes calcium loss. As per
the following link, here's some research (note that the owner of the link
owns all copyrights):

http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/r....asp?catid=204


Putting Meat on Our Bones (Press Release) Added on: 1/30/2004 Hits: 116
From the USDA Agricultural Research Service and the Journal of Nutrition,
2003: A team of researchers compared the effects of several weeks a
controlled high and low meat diets on calcium retention and bone mass in
15 healthy postmenopausal women for 8 weeks. They noted that while the
high meat intake group had higher renal acid secretion at the onset of the
diet, it fell signficantly with time. At the end of the study, the
researchers noted that there was no difference in bone mass or calcium
retention among the two groups. They concluded that high meat diets do not
reduce calcium retention or bone mass.


Controlled High Meat Diets Do Not Affect Calcium Retention or Indices of
Bone Status in Healthy Postmenopausal Women (Journal Abstract) Added on:
1/30/2004 Hits: 94
From the USDA Agricultural Research Service and the Journal of Nutrition,
2003: A team of researchers compared the effects of several weeks a
controlled high and low meat diets on calcium retention and bone mass in
15 healthy postmenopausal women for 8 weeks. They noted that while the
high meat intake group had higher renal acid secretion at the onset of the
diet, it fell signficantly with time. At the end of the study, the
researchers noted that there was no difference in bone mass or calcium
retention among the two groups. They concluded that high meat diets do not
reduce calcium retention or bone mass.


Protein Intake: Effects on Bone Mineral Density and the Rate of Bone Loss
in Elderly Women (Journal Abstract) Added on: 8/22/2003 Hits: 250
From Creighton University and the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition,
2003: A team of researchers from the Bone Metabolism Unit of the
Osteoporosis Research Center studied the relationship between protein
intake and the bone densities in postmenopausal elderly women for 3 years.
They found that bone mineral density was significantly higher among women
who scored in the highest quartiles of protein intake when they also took
in 480 mg/d of calcium.


Controlled High Meat Diets Do Not Affect Calcium Retention or Indices of
Bone Status in Healthy Postmenopausal Women (Journal Abstract) Added on:
8/22/2003 Hits: 147
From the USDA's Agricultural Research Service, the Grand Forks Human
Nutrition Research Center, and the Journal of Nutrition 2003: A team of
USDA researchers placed 15 healthy postmenopausal women on two diets for 8
weeks each. The first diet was high in meat (about 10.5 ounces per day)
and the second was much lower (1.5 ounces per day). Their calcium, sodium,
and caffiene intakes were controlled for the 16 weeks of the study. The
researchers found that the high meat diet did not increase urinary calcium
loss or affect indicators of bone metabolism, as is widely believed in
medical circles. The researchers concluded that calcium retention is not
reduced when eating a high protein diet from meat.


New Data on Dietary Protein and Bone (Press Release) Added on: 8/22/2003
Hits: 148
From the USDA's Agricultural Research Service and the Grand Forks Human
Nutrition Research Center, 2003: A team of USDA researchers placed 15
healthy postmenopausal women on two diets for 8 weeks each. The first diet
was high in meat (about 10.5 ounces per day) and the second was much lower
(1.5 ounces per day). Their calcium, sodium, and caffiene intakes were
controlled for the 16 weeks of the study. The researchers found that the
high meat diet did not increase urinary calcium loss or affect indicators
of bone metabolism, as is widely believed in medical circles. The
researchers concluded that calcium retention is not reduced when eating a
high protein diet from meat.


Study Analyzes Calcium, Protein and Healthy Bones (Magazine
Article) Added on: 9/24/2002 Hits: 408
From Tufts University and the USDA, 2002: This study found that increasing
protein intake had a favorable effect on bone density in elderly subjects
supplemented with calcium and vitamin D.


Protein Saves Bone in Elders (Magazine Article) Added on: 9/24/2002
Hits: 293
From Harvard University and the USDA, 2001: This team of researchers from
Harvard and other universities found that 70 to 90 year-old men and women
with the highest protein intakes lost significantly less bone over a
four-year period than those who consumed half as much or less. Animal
protein, as well as overall protein intake, was associated with preserving
bone. The study, known as the Framingham Osteoporosis Study, was conducted
at the USDA Human Nutrition Research Center.


Effect of Protein Intake on Bone Mineralization during Weight Loss: A
6-Month Trial (Journal Abstract) Added on: 7/16/2002 Hits: 317
From The Royal Veterinary and Agricultural University in Denmark and the
journal Obesity Research, 2002: These researchers studied two groups with
the same dietary fat intake but with varying degrees of protein intake.
One group was placed on a low protein diet while the second group was
placed on a high protein diet for 6 months. The group on the high protein
diet lost more weight than did the low protein dieters. While the
researchers found that the bone mineralization content decreased in both
groups, they found that the loss was greater in the low protein group than
in the high protein group. They concluded that body fat loss was the major
reason for the loss and state, "...we found no adverse effects of 6 months
of high-protein intake on bone mineralization."


Bone Mineral Density and Dietary Patterns in Older Adults: The Framingham
Osteoporosis Study (Journal Abstract) Added on: 7/11/2002 Hits: 313
From Harvard University and The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition,
2002: This group of researchers, including professors from Harvard,
reported their findings from the long-term Framingham Osteoporosis Study.
In this article, they report that the higher the candy intake, the lower
the bone density in women and men.


Effect of Dietary Protein on Bone Loss in Elderly Men and Women: The
Framingham Osteoporosis Study (Journal Abstract) Added on: 7/11/2002
Hits: 319
From Harvard University and the Journal of Bone and Mineral Research,
2001: This team of researchers from Harvard and other universities found
that 70 to 90 year-old men and women with the highest protein intakes lost
significantly less bone over a four-year period than those who consumed
half as much or less. Animal protein, as well as overall protein intake,
was associated with preserving bone. The study, known as the Framingham
Osteoporosis Study, was conducted at the USDA Human Nutrition Research
Center. (This link goes to the home page of the journal. Click on the
picture of the current journal. Select the year 2000 and the month of
December. Scroll down to page 2504 and click on the abstract button for
the article.)


Calcium Intake Influences The Association of Protein Intake With Rates of
Bone Loss in Elderly Men and Women (Journal Abstract) Added on: 7/10/2002
Hits: 251
From Tufts University and The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition,
2002: This study found that increasing protein intake had a favorable
effect on bone density in elderly subjects supplemented with calcium and
vitamin D.


Factors Associated With Calcium Absorption Efficiency in Pre- and
Perimenopausal Women (Journal Abstract) Added on: 7/10/2002 Hits: 282
From The University of Pittsburgh and the American Journal of Clinical
Nutrition, 2000: These researchers found that dietary fat intake had a
positive affect on the rate of calcium absorption in pre-menopausal and
perimenopausal women.


Purdue Research Shows Omega 3s Benefit Bones (Press Release) Added on:
7/9/2002 Hits: 285
From Purdue University News, 1997: Past research showed that eating more
omega-3 fatty acids could decrease coronary heart disease risk and might
decrease chances of getting certain cancers, but this research is the
first to suggest that omega-3s improve bone growth. The researchers stress
that everyone, especially young children should eat a variety of fats to
protect bone growth.

--
Bob in CT
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Randy Smith, MD wrote:
:: Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
:: concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
:: protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
:: loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they
:: usually rebound and gain the weight back.

What a statement. You should run and hide now.

::
:: The use of complex carbohydrates in the diet in a balanced way (as in
:: the Zone diet) accomplishes the health benefits such as having a
:: lower fasting insulin level without the risks.

Nonsense, complete and utter.

"Roger Zoul" wrote in news:2liadiFcuek8U1@uni-
berlin.de:

Randy Smith, MD wrote:
:: Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
:: concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
:: protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
:: loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they
:: usually rebound and gain the weight back.

What a statement. You should run and hide now.

::
:: The use of complex carbohydrates in the diet in a balanced way (as in
:: the Zone diet) accomplishes the health benefits such as having a
:: lower fasting insulin level without the risks.

Nonsense, complete and utter.



Cites please!

r


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On 12 Jul 2004 20:33:55 -0700, (Randy
Smith, MD) wrote:

Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they usually
rebound and gain the weight back.

Both empirical and cited data agree with this 100%

The use of complex carbohydrates in the diet in a balanced way (as in
the Zone diet) accomplishes the health benefits such as having a lower
fasting insulin level without the risks.

And with the same inevitable results.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

:: Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
:: concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
:: protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
:: loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they
:: usually rebound and gain the weight back.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:39:07 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
wrote:

What a statement. You should run and hide now.

Why so? The Atkins diet, many believe, has associated health concerns
including hyperlipidemia and the adverse effects of ketosis.
Commercial (book) diets like Atkins have horrible failure rates and
the majority who fail on these diets rebound weight to a higher level.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

(Randy Smith, MD) wrote in message om...
Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they usually
rebound and gain the weight back.

Wow, yet more evidence that doctors know little about nutrition.



The use of complex carbohydrates in the diet in a balanced way (as in
the Zone diet) accomplishes the health benefits such as having a lower
fasting insulin level without the risks.

(Randy Smith, MD) wrote in message om...
Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they usually
rebound and gain the weight back.

Wow, yet more evidence that doctors know little about nutrition.



The use of complex carbohydrates in the diet in a balanced way (as in
the Zone diet) accomplishes the health benefits such as having a lower
fasting insulin level without the risks.

(Tony Lew) wrote in
om:

(Randy Smith, MD) wrote in message news:
.. .
Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they usually
rebound and gain the weight back.

Wow, yet more evidence that doctors know little about nutrition.



The use of complex carbohydrates in the diet in a balanced way (as in
the Zone diet) accomplishes the health benefits such as having a lower
fasting insulin level without the risks.


Did you mean lower fasting blood glucose levels?

r


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In alt.support.diet.low-carb Ignoramus23926 wrote:

Try not getting your information from TV "news", it helps to actually
understand what is going on.

Nearly everyone I've been acquainted with who has been on the news says
"never again". Their story got diluted with the station/network's
agenda, and by the time it aired and had been edited to death, it was a
half-truth version of their story.

Most of the news is sensationalistic (may I say this?) crap, and I take
it with a grain of salt.