Ok, fine, whatever, I give up

Luna wrote:
life. I have always been skeptical about people who say they don't eat a
lot and they do exercise but they can't lose weight, and now look at me,
I've become what I ridiculed. Whatever. **** it.


Have you tried the opposite of obvious? Have a short period of *extreme*
high carbing and then go back to LC.

"marengo" wrote ...
Luna wrote:
| Well, I _thought_ I'd broken my stall, but I went for my last
| weigh-in at Curves today, and I was down a half pound. Which is back
| to what I was in January. I go from 156 to 156.5 and back to 156,
| with likewise minute fluctuations in measurements that are probably
| due to different people measuring me in slightly different ways.
snip
|Whatever. **** it.

I know it's easy to say, but hang in there. I remember Myra S. saying
that
she endured a year and half long stall before she suddenly started losing
again, and went on to drop tons of weight.

You've got too much going for yourself to get discouraged.

It's really easy to get discouraged. I spend eleven months watching the
scale go up and down by a few pounds. Finally I got fed up and went mad for
the next nine months, and gained a whole ****load of extra weight, which I'm
now trying to lose again.

Back on the wagon, it's taken more than a year for me to even start losing
weight - and then I think it's been a combination of starting metformin
(which I think is what finally got Myra's weight dropping, IIRC), stopping
the contraceptive pill, plus a couple of things which I don't think are
issues for you Michelle, which is increasing exercise and stopping trying to
eat the huge meals my partner keeps dishing up for me!!

What kept me going all that time with no weight loss was knowing how much
better I feel when I'm not eating too many carbs, and also knowing that
while I was off the wagon my partner gained almost as much as I did because
he was taking every other weekend off. So in a way I was doing it for both
of us - he has a family history of heart disease and high cholesterol, so
it's really in both our interests to stay low carb for life.

Have you ever had a glucose tolerance test?

cheers
Rachel
(New Zealand)

DJ Delorie wrote:

My only point was, she's now lean enough that there are other factors
coming in to play that make it difficult to continue losing at her
previous rate.

I get your point, and I agree.

My reason for asking about what level of exercise she was currently
doing was to see if a different approach would be workable.

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Luna wrote:
I have always been skeptical about people who say they don't eat a
lot and they do exercise but they can't lose weight, and now look at me,
I've become what I ridiculed.

this is kind of long . . .

all i can say is hang in there. when i first started this woe, i had been on
the lo-cal, lo-fat diet for so long that i actually gained weight (4 pounds - i
only had wanted to lose 10 anyway, so this was real bad) the first couple of
weeks.

i fortunately lost that 4 pounds pretty quickly, then over the next six months
or so, lost 3 more. i wasn't thrilled w/the weight loss, but at least was not
pulling my hair out with starvation - i was still a bit hungry some of the
time, but not "insane" with it. it took me 16 months to lose 14 pounds (18 if
you count the 4 i put on at the beginning) - the good news is that i actually
lost 4 pounds more than my goal. bad news is, it took forever.

i may suggest that you try a bit more carbs in the form of veggies/fiber.
might make you not as hungry . . . . without adding gobs of calories.
otherwise, hang in there. . . .this woe is so much better than the lo-fat
business. i had lunch w/a friend yesterday who has put on ~30 pounds since the
birth of her son. she shockingly asked "you mean you don't watch how much fat
you eat?" nope, don't even spend alot of time on counting carbs anymore - tho
i suspect i am ~30 per day - just stay away from sugar, flour, starch, etc. &
monitor what i eat. she couldn't believe it! i tried to explain that fat (at
least the right kind) is not the enemy it is necessarily perceived to be.

hang in there - for some of us it takes a loooonnnggg time!


pam

DigitalVinyl wrote:

"Roger Zoul" wrote:

Well, the longer you go the hard it will be to abstain from something you
really enjoy. At that time it will be important that you learn how to
include this stuff without falling completely off the wagon. That's part of
what you're trying to do.

I'm someone unlike a lot of people here. They report that they no longer
even enjoy the foods that made them fat.

As inflammatory as it is to say I don't believe them.

I find I don't want a lot of things anymore. On my official cheat meal
each month, I've had foods I "missed" which were often favorites
before... my own homemade lasagna, Cracker Barrel's hash brown
casserole, Macaroni Grill's one chicken & bowtie pasta dish and
tiramusi, a patty melt and fries. None of them seemed "worth it"
particularly anymore.

More specifically, I have lost all interest in pasta and potatoes. The
pasta bit is particularly weird for me... I got fat primarily on pasta.
I'd probably not have developed diabetes for another decade or two if
not for pasta. I'm half Italian - I used to *love* pasta. I can't
believe I don't care about pasta anymore, but I don't. It's just not
interesting.

And frankly, a bowl of ricotta with some chives and parmesan mixed in,
topped with a small amount of spaghetti sauce and a handful of
mozzarella nukes up to near-enough lasagna that the lack of pasta
doesn't matter.

I also don't miss pizza crust particularly, I *like* pizza on an Italian
sausage "crust".

I don't miss rice in stuffed peppers or stuffed cabbage... they're
actually more flavorful without the rice. Who knew?

But *some* things, I still want. My desire for bread has not decreased
at all, as a matter of fact, I had a 1/4 slice tonight with some butter
after baking it fresh. I've been driving myself nuts wanting bread for
months now, particularly right when it's fresh-baked, and figured I'd
have a "taste" as opposed to actually eating some. Well, it turns out I
still *love* my homemade bread. Tasting did not result in a "well, that
wasn't worth it" kind of feeling, more a "well, I damned well better
avoid *that*" kind of feeling. I could probably eat a quarter loaf if I
let myself.

Desserts are generally easy for me, but I was never a big dessert
person. I bake cakes and cookies and such still, and am not
particularly tempted. I do sometimes go ahead and make a low-carb
"treat" at the same time, but lots of times I don't. But that isn't
low-carbing per se, even before low-carbing, I often baked stuff and
never got around to eating any before it was gone.

There's a few things I wouldn't let near me at all as I fear I'd be
overly tempted. Having ice cream around in general doesn't bother me,
but no one is bringing Ben & Jerry's Coffee Heathbar Crunch into my
house. And I can bake cakes all day long, but we're not having any
Pepperidge Farm chocolate layer cake in my house! No point in requiring
*that* much willpower from myself.

Still... not caring about pasta and potatoes anymore helps a lot. We
have around 20 lbs of potatoes and probably more than 30 lbs of assorted
pastas here. It's damned helpful that I don't care for them anymore.
They genuinely *don't* tempt me at all.

--
Newbie tip: Read the FAQ. It's posted here daily, contains tons of
great info on low-carbing and lots of links to more great info and tons
of recipes too!

In article ,
Jackie Patti wrote:

DigitalVinyl wrote:

"Roger Zoul" wrote:

Well, the longer you go the hard it will be to abstain from something you
really enjoy. At that time it will be important that you learn how to
include this stuff without falling completely off the wagon. That's part of
what you're trying to do.

I'm someone unlike a lot of people here. They report that they no longer
even enjoy the foods that made them fat.

As inflammatory as it is to say I don't believe them.

I find I don't want a lot of things anymore. On my official cheat meal
each month, I've had foods I "missed" which were often favorites
before... my own homemade lasagna, Cracker Barrel's hash brown
casserole, Macaroni Grill's one chicken & bowtie pasta dish and
tiramusi, a patty melt and fries. None of them seemed "worth it"
particularly anymore.

More specifically, I have lost all interest in pasta and potatoes. The
pasta bit is particularly weird for me... I got fat primarily on pasta.



Same here. I think one of the reasons why I don't miss my old pasta meals
at all though, was because they were crap. Mac & cheese from a box, or
ramen noodles. I made mac & cheese for my nephews several months ago, and
since I missed it I had a bite, just to taste. It tasted like plastic!
How in the world did I ever like that stuff? And dougnuts? I used to
lurve them, especially Krispy Kreme. I had a bite of one pretty recently,
and it was so sweet it was almost painful and I spit it out. The things I
do miss and did enjoy at Passover are my aunts' homemade desserts. But I
only get access to those 3x a year anyway.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Jackie Patti wrote:

DigitalVinyl wrote:

"Roger Zoul" wrote:

Well, the longer you go the hard it will be to abstain from something you
really enjoy. At that time it will be important that you learn how to
include this stuff without falling completely off the wagon. That's part of
what you're trying to do.

I'm someone unlike a lot of people here. They report that they no longer
even enjoy the foods that made them fat.

As inflammatory as it is to say I don't believe them.

I find I don't want a lot of things anymore. On my official cheat meal
each month, I've had foods I "missed" which were often favorites
before... my own homemade lasagna, Cracker Barrel's hash brown
casserole, Macaroni Grill's one chicken & bowtie pasta dish and
tiramusi, a patty melt and fries. None of them seemed "worth it"
particularly anymore.

I think there is a psychology to that. I think we like/taste things
differently due to our mindset. RIght now, being very INTO the diet we
might feel one way when we taste something. Later on it might be
different. We have to remember how prevalent our mind is over
everything. Remember how kids taste things and they know they are
going to hate them by looking at them. It is a mental thing. People
say cigarettes taste good--right! We can convince ourselves of
absolutely anything.

More specifically, I have lost all interest in pasta and potatoes. The
pasta bit is particularly weird for me... I got fat primarily on pasta.
I'd probably not have developed diabetes for another decade or two if
not for pasta. I'm half Italian - I used to *love* pasta. I can't
believe I don't care about pasta anymore, but I don't. It's just not
interesting.

Pasta was something I ate out or at someone else's house rare for me
to cook. However there is a resturant in another country that serves a
lasagne in a cast iron skillet that melts like butter. LC or not, I
can't imagine that NOT tasting good. And pizza, while I liked it never
was a meal to me. I never though--hey let's have pizza--just never
occured to me. Potatoes are boring, however macaroni and well made
potato salads were favorites. KFC's potato wedges rarely made it more
than two miles from the drive thru. French fries are no biggie.

And frankly, a bowl of ricotta with some chives and parmesan mixed in,
topped with a small amount of spaghetti sauce and a handful of
mozzarella nukes up to near-enough lasagna that the lack of pasta
doesn't matter.

I also don't miss pizza crust particularly, I *like* pizza on an Italian
sausage "crust".

I don't miss rice in stuffed peppers or stuffed cabbage... they're
actually more flavorful without the rice. Who knew?

White rice is pretty plain and somewhat flavorless. Brown rice I still
enjoy. Basmati rice.

But *some* things, I still want. My desire for bread has not decreased
at all, as a matter of fact, I had a 1/4 slice tonight with some butter
after baking it fresh. I've been driving myself nuts wanting bread for
months now, particularly right when it's fresh-baked, and figured I'd
have a "taste" as opposed to actually eating some. Well, it turns out I
still *love* my homemade bread. Tasting did not result in a "well, that
wasn't worth it" kind of feeling, more a "well, I damned well better
avoid *that*" kind of feeling. I could probably eat a quarter loaf if I
let myself.

I still enjoy breads. I didn't enjoy white breads. I prefer potato,
rye, wheats, sourdoughs.

Desserts are generally easy for me, but I was never a big dessert
person. I bake cakes and cookies and such still, and am not
particularly tempted. I do sometimes go ahead and make a low-carb
"treat" at the same time, but lots of times I don't. But that isn't
low-carbing per se, even before low-carbing, I often baked stuff and
never got around to eating any before it was gone.

Chocolate. Still an issue--though managed for now.

There's a few things I wouldn't let near me at all as I fear I'd be
overly tempted. Having ice cream around in general doesn't bother me,
but no one is bringing Ben & Jerry's Coffee Heathbar Crunch into my
house. And I can bake cakes all day long, but we're not having any
Pepperidge Farm chocolate layer cake in my house! No point in requiring
*that* much willpower from myself.

Still... not caring about pasta and potatoes anymore helps a lot. We
have around 20 lbs of potatoes and probably more than 30 lbs of assorted
pastas here. It's damned helpful that I don't care for them anymore.
They genuinely *don't* tempt me at all.

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/302/Apr-299/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
OWL-50 carbs/day (CCLL=?)

Luna wrote:

In article ,
Jackie Patti wrote:

DigitalVinyl wrote:

"Roger Zoul" wrote:

Well, the longer you go the hard it will be to abstain from something you
really enjoy. At that time it will be important that you learn how to
include this stuff without falling completely off the wagon. That's part of
what you're trying to do.

I'm someone unlike a lot of people here. They report that they no longer
even enjoy the foods that made them fat.

As inflammatory as it is to say I don't believe them.

I find I don't want a lot of things anymore. On my official cheat meal
each month, I've had foods I "missed" which were often favorites
before... my own homemade lasagna, Cracker Barrel's hash brown
casserole, Macaroni Grill's one chicken & bowtie pasta dish and
tiramusi, a patty melt and fries. None of them seemed "worth it"
particularly anymore.

More specifically, I have lost all interest in pasta and potatoes. The
pasta bit is particularly weird for me... I got fat primarily on pasta.



Same here. I think one of the reasons why I don't miss my old pasta meals
at all though, was because they were crap. Mac & cheese from a box, or
ramen noodles. I made mac & cheese for my nephews several months ago, and
since I missed it I had a bite, just to taste. It tasted like plastic!
How in the world did I ever like that stuff?
Don't know about the ramens but mac and cheese out of a box--that
didn't look that appetizing when I could eat everything in sight. You
may have just convinced yourself this was decent food. We all do it,
eat stuff that is pretty crappy and think it is good cuse we don't
have a comparison.

And dougnuts? I used to
lurve them, especially Krispy Kreme. I had a bite of one pretty recently,
and it was so sweet it was almost painful and I spit it out.

Well this was always true. KK's are the sweetest doughnuts in
existence. Always knew that. I can easily imagine that the elimination
of sugar would make things taste much sweeter (sensitivity up). But it
probably wouldn't take much to re-learn. I had a small piece of cake
on easter which tasted sweet. Others said it really wasn't sweet at
all.

The things I
do miss and did enjoy at Passover are my aunts' homemade desserts. But I
only get access to those 3x a year anyway.

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/302/Apr-299/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
OWL-50 carbs/day (CCLL=?)

Roger Zoul wrote:
I'm someone unlike a lot of people here. They report that they no longer
even enjoy the foods that made them fat.

A lot of foods I used to binge on and be completely hooked on have now
lost their appeal for me, yes. It helps that a lot of the foods I used
to go out of my way to get were (may I say this word?) crap, and that
the foods which are now part of my low-carb lifestyle are for the most
part, better quality and real ingredients.

I'm not completely off the hook though. There are some things which
still appeal to me and I have to really work, and enforce incredible
self-restraint to resist. However, the greater percentage of (may I say
this?) crap is quite easily and willingly gone from my life.

CM
--
For those with difficulty establishing the obvious, the above was my
personal opinion and experience, and I am well aware that my way may
not necessarily work for every reader thereof.

Crafting Mom wrote:

Roger Zoul wrote:
I'm someone unlike a lot of people here. They report that they no longer
even enjoy the foods that made them fat.

A lot of foods I used to binge on and be completely hooked on have now
lost their appeal for me, yes. It helps that a lot of the foods I used
to go out of my way to get were (may I say this word?) crap, and that
the foods which are now part of my low-carb lifestyle are for the most
part, better quality and real ingredients.

I agree that food that was not very good to start with--just what we
were accustomed to. The "crap" is easier to leave behind. I never
understood why Wonder Bread was so popular. It was thin and weak bread
that fell apart whenever I made a peanut butter sandwich. Give me a
dense potato bread or country white anytime over that air pocketed
fluff.

I'm not completely off the hook though. There are some things which
still appeal to me and I have to really work, and enforce incredible
self-restraint to resist. However, the greater percentage of (may I say
this?) crap is quite easily and willingly gone from my life.

CM

I think convenience plays a big part in these things. Ready made foods
have an appeal that starts in the rest of the body and the tongue just
accepts being outnumbered. People always enojy a meal more when they
aren't exhausted from trying to make it.

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/299/Apr-299/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
OWL-50 carbs/day (CCLL=?)