NYNY update - Joyce

I have heard that 3 week thing, but they make a difference to me within a
week every time. Sometimes in as little as 2 or 3 days. It may be "mental"
like a placebo effect, but since depression is a chemical reaction brought
about by a mental situation usually, then I don't see why the placebo effect
would not reverse the chemical reaction. Feeling better is feeling better.
What came first, the chicken or the egg?


"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them and this
depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can pull
myself out
of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk these days,
so I
must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as an
alternative
but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3 weeks to
take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens again.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one, I just
thought I
could handle it on my own like I did with the other smaller ones. I
now
realize
that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do now I will
binge
again
from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind of
depression
eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks for
listening,
Lesanne.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Lesanne wrote:

This has happened to me so many times! Just write down somewhere
how
accepted you were when you went back. And I highly recommend
getting
medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used it several
times
in
the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just Going to
get
it
lifts my spirits.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my weigh in
on
Fri
for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the first time
in
my
life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of going to
the
doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was that I
got a
lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that they
looked
forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going back but
that
one
note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my gain ---
but I
am
now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the worst cases
of
depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that little
note
to
pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the meeting -
they
didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me back &
made
me
feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby & the
worry
there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to walk much.
I
have
had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad knees. I was
just
feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This has
happened
before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let go (and
I
know
it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get pill
for
the
depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of sweets.
Thanks
for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly motivated.
Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry because of
your
past
health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland a few
weeks
ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham

wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group
....
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday
morning
was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ...
I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is
within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing,
watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not
drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention?
This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no
excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a
funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just
sitting
here,
I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back
into
the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the
exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week to see if
your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise program so
you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you? Maybe swimming
would be another option.

As for your depression are there certain times of the year or anniversaries
that set you off? I can predict when mine is going to come on. For me it is
certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's deaths that
set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my weight loss. If
you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able to control
your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed pills but I
am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I think
self-awareness helps control depression to keep it at a mininum.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them and this
depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can pull
myself out
of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk these days,
so I
must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as an
alternative
but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3 weeks to
take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens again.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one, I just
thought I
could handle it on my own like I did with the other smaller ones. I
now
realize
that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do now I will
binge
again
from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind of
depression
eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks for
listening,
Lesanne.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Lesanne wrote:

This has happened to me so many times! Just write down somewhere
how
accepted you were when you went back. And I highly recommend
getting
medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used it several
times
in
the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just Going to
get
it
lifts my spirits.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my weigh in
on
Fri
for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the first time
in
my
life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of going to
the
doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was that I
got a
lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that they
looked
forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going back but
that
one
note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my gain ---
but I
am
now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the worst cases
of
depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that little
note
to
pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the meeting -
they
didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me back &
made
me
feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby & the
worry
there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to walk much.
I
have
had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad knees. I was
just
feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This has
happened
before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let go (and
I
know
it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get pill
for
the
depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of sweets.
Thanks
for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly motivated.
Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry because of
your
past
health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland a few
weeks
ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham

wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group
....
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday
morning
was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ...
I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is
within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing,
watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not
drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention?
This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no
excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a
funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just
sitting
here,
I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back
into
the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the
exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Although I love to swim, I hate chlorine as it causes a rash on my skin. I am
definitely leaning toward Curves and thanks for the advice. As to the depression
- dates do not bother me at all - even anniversaries of deaths. My hubby had a
small stoke about 2 months ago & about a month after, he had another one during
the night while he was sleeping. I know that there is nothing that can be done
about preventing his stokes as they are caused by blood vessels breaking. They
can't give him blood thinners as long as he has high blood pressure. He is on
low dose asparin, has quit smoking & is trying to lose weight - thise are the
things that the doc said could help. I have been so worried about him and
depressed that I couldn't do anything to help, that I started to eat - as if
that would help!! Well, as time goes on, the chance of another stroke is
lessening and so are my worries. Since I do know what has caused at least a
portion of my depression, I won't go the pill route unless he has another stoke
and then I will go immediately to the doc for help. His family has a history of
stokes, his dad had a major one & his grandad died of one. Because his blood
pressure was under control, I had thought that we didn't have to worry about
that, but that has proved wrong. Thanks for your suggestions - I do love the
curves one.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week to see if
your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise program so
you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you? Maybe swimming
would be another option.

As for your depression are there certain times of the year or anniversaries
that set you off? I can predict when mine is going to come on. For me it is
certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's deaths that
set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my weight loss. If
you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able to control
your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed pills but I
am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I think
self-awareness helps control depression to keep it at a mininum.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them and this
depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can pull
myself out
of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk these days,
so I
must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as an
alternative
but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3 weeks to
take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens again.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one, I just
thought I
could handle it on my own like I did with the other smaller ones. I
now
realize
that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do now I will
binge
again
from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind of
depression
eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks for
listening,
Lesanne.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Lesanne wrote:

This has happened to me so many times! Just write down somewhere
how
accepted you were when you went back. And I highly recommend
getting
medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used it several
times
in
the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just Going to
get
it
lifts my spirits.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my weigh in
on
Fri
for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the first time
in
my
life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of going to
the
doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was that I
got a
lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that they
looked
forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going back but
that
one
note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my gain ---
but I
am
now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the worst cases
of
depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that little
note
to
pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the meeting -
they
didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me back &
made
me
feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby & the
worry
there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to walk much.
I
have
had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad knees. I was
just
feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This has
happened
before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let go (and
I
know
it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get pill
for
the
depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of sweets.
Thanks
for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly motivated.
Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry because of
your
past
health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland a few
weeks
ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham

wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group
...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday
morning
was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ...
I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is
within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing,
watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not
drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention?
This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no
excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a
funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just
sitting
here,
I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back
into
the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the
exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

I forgot about DH illnesses can also bring on depression. My DH had an
angina attack last month putting him in the hospital for 2 days. SInce I
can't cook very well plus I hate hospitals my DD and I would eat out for
dinner and then go see him at the hospital. I was sick with worry plus my
schedule was turned upside down. I worked from home those days which is
something I had not done for about a year. Was not used it at all. I don't
know if it impacted my depression level but I certainly was all out of whack
because of it. Maybe if I had taken time to take care of my self during
those bad times the depression would not have hit me so badly. I'll remember
that the next time I get out of sorts. Run to Curves.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Although I love to swim, I hate chlorine as it causes a rash on my skin. I
am
definitely leaning toward Curves and thanks for the advice. As to the
depression
- dates do not bother me at all - even anniversaries of deaths. My hubby
had a
small stoke about 2 months ago & about a month after, he had another one
during
the night while he was sleeping. I know that there is nothing that can be
done
about preventing his stokes as they are caused by blood vessels breaking.
They
can't give him blood thinners as long as he has high blood pressure. He is
on
low dose asparin, has quit smoking & is trying to lose weight - thise are
the
things that the doc said could help. I have been so worried about him and
depressed that I couldn't do anything to help, that I started to eat - as
if
that would help!! Well, as time goes on, the chance of another stroke is
lessening and so are my worries. Since I do know what has caused at least
a
portion of my depression, I won't go the pill route unless he has another
stoke
and then I will go immediately to the doc for help. His family has a
history of
stokes, his dad had a major one & his grandad died of one. Because his
blood
pressure was under control, I had thought that we didn't have to worry
about
that, but that has proved wrong. Thanks for your suggestions - I do love
the
curves one.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week to see
if
your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise program
so
you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you? Maybe
swimming
would be another option.

As for your depression are there certain times of the year or
anniversaries
that set you off? I can predict when mine is going to come on. For me it
is
certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's deaths
that
set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my weight loss.
If
you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able to
control
your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed pills but
I
am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I think
self-awareness helps control depression to keep it at a mininum.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them and
this
depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can pull
myself out
of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk these
days,
so I
must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as an
alternative
but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3
weeks to
take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens again.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one, I
just
thought I
could handle it on my own like I did with the other smaller ones.
I
now
realize
that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do now I
will
binge
again
from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind of
depression
eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks for
listening,
Lesanne.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Lesanne wrote:

This has happened to me so many times! Just write down
somewhere
how
accepted you were when you went back. And I highly recommend
getting
medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used it
several
times
in
the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just Going
to
get
it
lifts my spirits.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my weigh
in
on
Fri
for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the first
time
in
my
life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of going
to
the
doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was that
I
got a
lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that they
looked
forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going back
but
that
one
note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my
gain ---
but I
am
now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the worst
cases
of
depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that
little
note
to
pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the
meeting -
they
didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me back
&
made
me
feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby &
the
worry
there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to walk
much.
I
have
had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad knees. I
was
just
feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This has
happened
before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let go
(and
I
know
it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get
pill
for
the
depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of
sweets.
Thanks
for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly
motivated.
Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry because
of
your
past
health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland a
few
weeks
ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham

wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance
group
...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday
morning
was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade
....
I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is
within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing,
watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of
not
drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water
retention?
This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault,
no
excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of
a
funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just
sitting
here,
I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right
back
into
the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter
the
exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Yup, exercise is a main key to fighting depression but my feet have been so sore
that I can't do too much. At least I'm back OP & will get if off again, albeit
much slower this time.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I forgot about DH illnesses can also bring on depression. My DH had an
angina attack last month putting him in the hospital for 2 days. SInce I
can't cook very well plus I hate hospitals my DD and I would eat out for
dinner and then go see him at the hospital. I was sick with worry plus my
schedule was turned upside down. I worked from home those days which is
something I had not done for about a year. Was not used it at all. I don't
know if it impacted my depression level but I certainly was all out of whack
because of it. Maybe if I had taken time to take care of my self during
those bad times the depression would not have hit me so badly. I'll remember
that the next time I get out of sorts. Run to Curves.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Although I love to swim, I hate chlorine as it causes a rash on my skin. I
am
definitely leaning toward Curves and thanks for the advice. As to the
depression
- dates do not bother me at all - even anniversaries of deaths. My hubby
had a
small stoke about 2 months ago & about a month after, he had another one
during
the night while he was sleeping. I know that there is nothing that can be
done
about preventing his stokes as they are caused by blood vessels breaking.
They
can't give him blood thinners as long as he has high blood pressure. He is
on
low dose asparin, has quit smoking & is trying to lose weight - thise are
the
things that the doc said could help. I have been so worried about him and
depressed that I couldn't do anything to help, that I started to eat - as
if
that would help!! Well, as time goes on, the chance of another stroke is
lessening and so are my worries. Since I do know what has caused at least
a
portion of my depression, I won't go the pill route unless he has another
stoke
and then I will go immediately to the doc for help. His family has a
history of
stokes, his dad had a major one & his grandad died of one. Because his
blood
pressure was under control, I had thought that we didn't have to worry
about
that, but that has proved wrong. Thanks for your suggestions - I do love
the
curves one.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week to see
if
your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise program
so
you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you? Maybe
swimming
would be another option.

As for your depression are there certain times of the year or
anniversaries
that set you off? I can predict when mine is going to come on. For me it
is
certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's deaths
that
set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my weight loss.
If
you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able to
control
your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed pills but
I
am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I think
self-awareness helps control depression to keep it at a mininum.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them and
this
depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can pull
myself out
of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk these
days,
so I
must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as an
alternative
but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3
weeks to
take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens again.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one, I
just
thought I
could handle it on my own like I did with the other smaller ones.
I
now
realize
that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do now I
will
binge
again
from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind of
depression
eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks for
listening,
Lesanne.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Lesanne wrote:

This has happened to me so many times! Just write down
somewhere
how
accepted you were when you went back. And I highly recommend
getting
medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used it
several
times
in
the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just Going
to
get
it
lifts my spirits.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my weigh
in
on
Fri
for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the first
time
in
my
life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of going
to
the
doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was that
I
got a
lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that they
looked
forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going back
but
that
one
note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my
gain ---
but I
am
now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the worst
cases
of
depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that
little
note
to
pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the
meeting -
they
didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me back
&
made
me
feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby &
the
worry
there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to walk
much.
I
have
had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad knees. I
was
just
feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This has
happened
before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let go
(and
I
know
it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get
pill
for
the
depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of
sweets.
Thanks
for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly
motivated.
Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry because
of
your
past
health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland a
few
weeks
ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham

wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance
group
...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday
morning
was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade
...
I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is
within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing,
watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of
not
drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water
retention?
This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault,
no
excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of
a
funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just
sitting
here,
I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right
back
into
the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter
the
exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Have you seen a doctor concerning your feet?

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Yup, exercise is a main key to fighting depression but my feet have been
so sore
that I can't do too much. At least I'm back OP & will get if off again,
albeit
much slower this time.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I forgot about DH illnesses can also bring on depression. My DH had an
angina attack last month putting him in the hospital for 2 days. SInce I
can't cook very well plus I hate hospitals my DD and I would eat out for
dinner and then go see him at the hospital. I was sick with worry plus
my
schedule was turned upside down. I worked from home those days which is
something I had not done for about a year. Was not used it at all. I
don't
know if it impacted my depression level but I certainly was all out of
whack
because of it. Maybe if I had taken time to take care of my self during
those bad times the depression would not have hit me so badly. I'll
remember
that the next time I get out of sorts. Run to Curves.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Although I love to swim, I hate chlorine as it causes a rash on my
skin. I
am
definitely leaning toward Curves and thanks for the advice. As to the
depression
- dates do not bother me at all - even anniversaries of deaths. My
hubby
had a
small stoke about 2 months ago & about a month after, he had another
one
during
the night while he was sleeping. I know that there is nothing that can
be
done
about preventing his stokes as they are caused by blood vessels
breaking.
They
can't give him blood thinners as long as he has high blood pressure.
He is
on
low dose asparin, has quit smoking & is trying to lose weight - thise
are
the
things that the doc said could help. I have been so worried about him
and
depressed that I couldn't do anything to help, that I started to eat -
as
if
that would help!! Well, as time goes on, the chance of another stroke
is
lessening and so are my worries. Since I do know what has caused at
least
a
portion of my depression, I won't go the pill route unless he has
another
stoke
and then I will go immediately to the doc for help. His family has a
history of
stokes, his dad had a major one & his grandad died of one. Because his
blood
pressure was under control, I had thought that we didn't have to worry
about
that, but that has proved wrong. Thanks for your suggestions - I do
love
the
curves one.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week to
see
if
your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise
program
so
you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you? Maybe
swimming
would be another option.

As for your depression are there certain times of the year or
anniversaries
that set you off? I can predict when mine is going to come on. For
me it
is
certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's
deaths
that
set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my weight
loss.
If
you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able to
control
your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed pills
but
I
am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I
think
self-awareness helps control depression to keep it at a mininum.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them
and
this
depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can
pull
myself out
of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk
these
days,
so I
must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as
an
alternative
but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3
weeks to
take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens
again.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one,
I
just
thought I
could handle it on my own like I did with the other smaller
ones.
I
now
realize
that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do now I
will
binge
again
from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind
of
depression
eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks
for
listening,
Lesanne.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Lesanne wrote:

This has happened to me so many times! Just write down
somewhere
how
accepted you were when you went back. And I highly
recommend
getting
medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used it
several
times
in
the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just
Going
to
get
it
lifts my spirits.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my
weigh
in
on
Fri
for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the
first
time
in
my
life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of
going
to
the
doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was
that
I
got a
lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that
they
looked
forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going
back
but
that
one
note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my
gain ---
but I
am
now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the
worst
cases
of
depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that
little
note
to
pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the
meeting -
they
didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me
back
&
made
me
feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby
&
the
worry
there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to
walk
much.
I
have
had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad
knees. I
was
just
feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This
has
happened
before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let
go
(and
I
know
it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get
pill
for
the
depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of
sweets.
Thanks
for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly
motivated.
Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry
because
of
your
past
health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland
a
few
weeks
ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham

wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY
maintenance
group
...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin
Friday
morning
was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120
decade
...
I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more*
is
within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to
nothing,
watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap
of
not
drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water
retention?
This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own
fault,
no
excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some
sort of
a
funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine
about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of
just
sitting
here,
I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes -
right
back
into
the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood
lifter
the
exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Yes, I've got special orthotics from a chiropodist & that helps quite a bit, but
he has told me that the osteoarthritis is extremely bad in my feet & there's not
too much he can do. This is why I couldn't walk more than 25 feet when I started
over 100 pounds ago and I know the current gain has not helped at all. But I'm
working on getting that off. I find I can walk on soft ground, but there's not
much of that in Toronto ;-D During the warmer weather, I was walking along the
top of our bluffs - all natural with lovely paths overlooking the lake and found
I could walk for quite a while. My feet started to get worse even before I
gained any weight and I had to cut back on the amount of time I walked, but I
could add gardening & make up the exercise time that way. I can stand OK but
it's the walking motion that really causes me the agony. Oh well, it's something
I have to live with & must just work my way around it. Thank goodness they don't
hurt much when I'm just sitting still ;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179


Laura wrote:

Have you seen a doctor concerning your feet?

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Yup, exercise is a main key to fighting depression but my feet have been
so sore
that I can't do too much. At least I'm back OP & will get if off again,
albeit
much slower this time.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I forgot about DH illnesses can also bring on depression. My DH had an
angina attack last month putting him in the hospital for 2 days. SInce I
can't cook very well plus I hate hospitals my DD and I would eat out for
dinner and then go see him at the hospital. I was sick with worry plus
my
schedule was turned upside down. I worked from home those days which is
something I had not done for about a year. Was not used it at all. I
don't
know if it impacted my depression level but I certainly was all out of
whack
because of it. Maybe if I had taken time to take care of my self during
those bad times the depression would not have hit me so badly. I'll
remember
that the next time I get out of sorts. Run to Curves.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Although I love to swim, I hate chlorine as it causes a rash on my
skin. I
am
definitely leaning toward Curves and thanks for the advice. As to the
depression
- dates do not bother me at all - even anniversaries of deaths. My
hubby
had a
small stoke about 2 months ago & about a month after, he had another
one
during
the night while he was sleeping. I know that there is nothing that can
be
done
about preventing his stokes as they are caused by blood vessels
breaking.
They
can't give him blood thinners as long as he has high blood pressure.
He is
on
low dose asparin, has quit smoking & is trying to lose weight - thise
are
the
things that the doc said could help. I have been so worried about him
and
depressed that I couldn't do anything to help, that I started to eat -
as
if
that would help!! Well, as time goes on, the chance of another stroke
is
lessening and so are my worries. Since I do know what has caused at
least
a
portion of my depression, I won't go the pill route unless he has
another
stoke
and then I will go immediately to the doc for help. His family has a
history of
stokes, his dad had a major one & his grandad died of one. Because his
blood
pressure was under control, I had thought that we didn't have to worry
about
that, but that has proved wrong. Thanks for your suggestions - I do
love
the
curves one.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week to
see
if
your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise
program
so
you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you? Maybe
swimming
would be another option.

As for your depression are there certain times of the year or
anniversaries
that set you off? I can predict when mine is going to come on. For
me it
is
certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's
deaths
that
set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my weight
loss.
If
you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able to
control
your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed pills
but
I
am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I
think
self-awareness helps control depression to keep it at a mininum.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them
and
this
depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can
pull
myself out
of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk
these
days,
so I
must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as
an
alternative
but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3
weeks to
take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens
again.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one,
I
just
thought I
could handle it on my own like I did with the other smaller
ones.
I
now
realize
that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do now I
will
binge
again
from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind
of
depression
eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks
for
listening,
Lesanne.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Lesanne wrote:

This has happened to me so many times! Just write down
somewhere
how
accepted you were when you went back. And I highly
recommend
getting
medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used it
several
times
in
the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just
Going
to
get
it
lifts my spirits.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my
weigh
in
on
Fri
for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the
first
time
in
my
life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of
going
to
the
doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was
that
I
got a
lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that
they
looked
forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going
back
but
that
one
note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my
gain ---
but I
am
now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the
worst
cases
of
depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that
little
note
to
pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the
meeting -
they
didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me
back
&
made
me
feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby
&
the
worry
there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to
walk
much.
I
have
had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad
knees. I
was
just
feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This
has
happened
before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let
go
(and
I
know
it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get
pill
for
the
depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of
sweets.
Thanks
for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly
motivated.
Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry
because
of
your
past
health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland
a
few
weeks
ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham

wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY
maintenance
group
...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin
Friday
morning
was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120
decade
...
I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more*
is
within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to
nothing,
watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap
of
not
drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water
retention?
This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own
fault,
no
excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some
sort of
a
funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine
about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of
just
sitting
here,
I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes -
right
back
into
the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood
lifter
the
exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

I am sorry about your DH, One of my biggest worries in life is that mine is
adopted so we know nothing of his medical history so I am always freaking at
the slightest hint of a health issue, Lee
Elaine Kirkham wrote in message
...
Although I love to swim, I hate chlorine as it causes a rash on my skin. I
am
definitely leaning toward Curves and thanks for the advice. As to the
depression
- dates do not bother me at all - even anniversaries of deaths. My hubby
had a
small stoke about 2 months ago & about a month after, he had another one
during
the night while he was sleeping. I know that there is nothing that can be
done
about preventing his stokes as they are caused by blood vessels breaking.
They
can't give him blood thinners as long as he has high blood pressure. He is
on
low dose asparin, has quit smoking & is trying to lose weight - thise are
the
things that the doc said could help. I have been so worried about him and
depressed that I couldn't do anything to help, that I started to eat - as
if
that would help!! Well, as time goes on, the chance of another stroke is
lessening and so are my worries. Since I do know what has caused at least
a
portion of my depression, I won't go the pill route unless he has another
stoke
and then I will go immediately to the doc for help. His family has a
history of
stokes, his dad had a major one & his grandad died of one. Because his
blood
pressure was under control, I had thought that we didn't have to worry
about
that, but that has proved wrong. Thanks for your suggestions - I do love
the
curves one.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week to see
if
your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise program
so
you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you? Maybe
swimming
would be another option.

As for your depression are there certain times of the year or
anniversaries
that set you off? I can predict when mine is going to come on. For me it
is
certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's deaths
that
set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my weight loss.
If
you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able to
control
your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed pills but
I
am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I think
self-awareness helps control depression to keep it at a mininum.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them and
this
depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can pull
myself out
of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk these
days,
so I
must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as an
alternative
but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3
weeks to
take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens again.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one, I
just
thought I
could handle it on my own like I did with the other smaller ones.
I
now
realize
that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do now I
will
binge
again
from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind of
depression
eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks for
listening,
Lesanne.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Lesanne wrote:

This has happened to me so many times! Just write down
somewhere
how
accepted you were when you went back. And I highly recommend
getting
medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used it
several
times
in
the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just Going
to
get
it
lifts my spirits.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my weigh
in
on
Fri
for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the first
time
in
my
life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of going
to
the
doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was that
I
got a
lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that they
looked
forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going back
but
that
one
note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my
gain ---
but I
am
now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the worst
cases
of
depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that
little
note
to
pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the
meeting -
they
didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me back
&
made
me
feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby &
the
worry
there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to walk
much.
I
have
had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad knees. I
was
just
feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This has
happened
before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let go
(and
I
know
it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get
pill
for
the
depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of
sweets.
Thanks
for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly
motivated.
Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry because
of
your
past
health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland a
few
weeks
ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham

wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance
group
...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday
morning
was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade
....
I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is
within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing,
watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of
not
drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water
retention?
This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault,
no
excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of
a
funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just
sitting
here,
I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right
back
into
the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter
the
exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Elaine you have me really wondering about genetics. DH is Canadian. is
allergic to chlorine and has trouble with his feet. Lee, who has been
reading about genetics lately
Elaine Kirkham wrote in message
...
Yup, exercise is a main key to fighting depression but my feet have been
so sore
that I can't do too much. At least I'm back OP & will get if off again,
albeit
much slower this time.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I forgot about DH illnesses can also bring on depression. My DH had an
angina attack last month putting him in the hospital for 2 days. SInce I
can't cook very well plus I hate hospitals my DD and I would eat out for
dinner and then go see him at the hospital. I was sick with worry plus
my
schedule was turned upside down. I worked from home those days which is
something I had not done for about a year. Was not used it at all. I
don't
know if it impacted my depression level but I certainly was all out of
whack
because of it. Maybe if I had taken time to take care of my self during
those bad times the depression would not have hit me so badly. I'll
remember
that the next time I get out of sorts. Run to Curves.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Although I love to swim, I hate chlorine as it causes a rash on my
skin. I
am
definitely leaning toward Curves and thanks for the advice. As to the
depression
- dates do not bother me at all - even anniversaries of deaths. My
hubby
had a
small stoke about 2 months ago & about a month after, he had another
one
during
the night while he was sleeping. I know that there is nothing that can
be
done
about preventing his stokes as they are caused by blood vessels
breaking.
They
can't give him blood thinners as long as he has high blood pressure.
He is
on
low dose asparin, has quit smoking & is trying to lose weight - thise
are
the
things that the doc said could help. I have been so worried about him
and
depressed that I couldn't do anything to help, that I started to eat -
as
if
that would help!! Well, as time goes on, the chance of another stroke
is
lessening and so are my worries. Since I do know what has caused at
least
a
portion of my depression, I won't go the pill route unless he has
another
stoke
and then I will go immediately to the doc for help. His family has a
history of
stokes, his dad had a major one & his grandad died of one. Because his
blood
pressure was under control, I had thought that we didn't have to worry
about
that, but that has proved wrong. Thanks for your suggestions - I do
love
the
curves one.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week to
see
if
your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise
program
so
you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you? Maybe
swimming
would be another option.

As for your depression are there certain times of the year or
anniversaries
that set you off? I can predict when mine is going to come on. For
me it
is
certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's
deaths
that
set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my weight
loss.
If
you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able to
control
your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed pills
but
I
am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I
think
self-awareness helps control depression to keep it at a mininum.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them
and
this
depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can
pull
myself out
of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk
these
days,
so I
must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as
an
alternative
but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3
weeks to
take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens
again.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one,
I
just
thought I
could handle it on my own like I did with the other smaller
ones.
I
now
realize
that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do now I
will
binge
again
from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind
of
depression
eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks
for
listening,
Lesanne.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Lesanne wrote:

This has happened to me so many times! Just write down
somewhere
how
accepted you were when you went back. And I highly
recommend
getting
medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used it
several
times
in
the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just
Going
to
get
it
lifts my spirits.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my
weigh
in
on
Fri
for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the
first
time
in
my
life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of
going
to
the
doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was
that
I
got a
lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that
they
looked
forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going
back
but
that
one
note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my
gain ---
but I
am
now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the
worst
cases
of
depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that
little
note
to
pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the
meeting -
they
didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me
back
&
made
me
feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby
&
the
worry
there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to
walk
much.
I
have
had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad
knees. I
was
just
feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This
has
happened
before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let
go
(and
I
know
it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get
pill
for
the
depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of
sweets.
Thanks
for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly
motivated.
Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry
because
of
your
past
health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland
a
few
weeks
ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham

wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY
maintenance
group
...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin
Friday
morning
was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120
decade
...
I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more*
is
within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to
nothing,
watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap
of
not
drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water
retention?
This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own
fault,
no
excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some
sort of
a
funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine
about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of
just
sitting
here,
I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes -
right
back
into
the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood
lifter
the
exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

I know what you mean about the adoption part. My eldest brother is only my 1/2
brother & I worried about that also. I finally traced his family tree & found
that there were very serious heart problems with that whole side of his family.
He now has the same problem, but having been forewarned, he was able to get help
when the first signs started & with todays technology, he's living a good life -
he's 74 now and still going stong.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Miss Violette wrote:

I am sorry about your DH, One of my biggest worries in life is that mine is
adopted so we know nothing of his medical history so I am always freaking at
the slightest hint of a health issue, Lee
Elaine Kirkham wrote in message
...
Although I love to swim, I hate chlorine as it causes a rash on my skin. I
am
definitely leaning toward Curves and thanks for the advice. As to the
depression
- dates do not bother me at all - even anniversaries of deaths. My hubby
had a
small stoke about 2 months ago & about a month after, he had another one
during
the night while he was sleeping. I know that there is nothing that can be
done
about preventing his stokes as they are caused by blood vessels breaking.
They
can't give him blood thinners as long as he has high blood pressure. He is
on
low dose asparin, has quit smoking & is trying to lose weight - thise are
the
things that the doc said could help. I have been so worried about him and
depressed that I couldn't do anything to help, that I started to eat - as
if
that would help!! Well, as time goes on, the chance of another stroke is
lessening and so are my worries. Since I do know what has caused at least
a
portion of my depression, I won't go the pill route unless he has another
stoke
and then I will go immediately to the doc for help. His family has a
history of
stokes, his dad had a major one & his grandad died of one. Because his
blood
pressure was under control, I had thought that we didn't have to worry
about
that, but that has proved wrong. Thanks for your suggestions - I do love
the
curves one.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week to see
if
your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise program
so
you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you? Maybe
swimming
would be another option.

As for your depression are there certain times of the year or
anniversaries
that set you off? I can predict when mine is going to come on. For me it
is
certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's deaths
that
set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my weight loss.
If
you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able to
control
your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed pills but
I
am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I think
self-awareness helps control depression to keep it at a mininum.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them and
this
depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can pull
myself out
of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk these
days,
so I
must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as an
alternative
but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura wrote:

Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3
weeks to
take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens again.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one, I
just
thought I
could handle it on my own like I did with the other smaller ones.
I
now
realize
that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do now I
will
binge
again
from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind of
depression
eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks for
listening,
Lesanne.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Lesanne wrote:

This has happened to me so many times! Just write down
somewhere
how
accepted you were when you went back. And I highly recommend
getting
medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used it
several
times
in
the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just Going
to
get
it
lifts my spirits.

"Elaine Kirkham" wrote in message
...
No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my weigh
in
on
Fri
for the first
time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the first
time
in
my
life I was eating
so completely out of control that I was at the point of going
to
the
doctor to see what
if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was that
I
got a
lovely card from
my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that they
looked
forward to seeing
me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going back
but
that
one
note changed
things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my
gain ---
but I
am
now back on
program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the worst
cases
of
depression that I
have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that
little
note
to
pull me out of
it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the
meeting -
they
didn't make me feel
bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me back
&
made
me
feel so
comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby &
the
worry
there, my feet
started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to walk
much.
I
have
had to resort to
the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad knees. I
was
just
feeling so sorry
for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This has
happened
before but never
as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let go
(and
I
know
it will happen
again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get
pill
for
the
depresseion to
see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of
sweets.
Thanks
for asking,
Joyce.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly
motivated.
Hopefully, these
feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.

Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry because
of
your
past
health
problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland a
few
weeks
ago.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham

wrote:

Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations.
Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance
group
...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday
morning
was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade
...
I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is
within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing,
watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of
not
drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water
retention?
This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault,
no
excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of
a
funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just
sitting
here,
I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right
back
into
the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter
the
exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03