calories?

"Nunya B." wrote in message
...
Or spare us, really. I have yet to hear how the body can produce the
fiber and phytonutrients available in healthy whole grains.

Mankind has been on earth for several million years. Mankind has only been
eating grains for the past 2000 years. Grains are not a necessary part of
the human diet. Those following Atkins for many years are not dropping dead
due to a lack of grain in their diets.

The carb itself is
only part of the picture.
--
the volleyballchick

"Gary G" wrote in message
...
Complex carbs are wonderful and I'm not sure why you would advise against
them...Maybe you can explain...GG
"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
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"nanner" wrote in message
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"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
I don't think there's any formula we can go by since we're all so
different and all live such different lifestyles. I consider myself
moderately active. I cannot eat over 1200c a day or I will not lose
weight. A more active or younger women may eat more and still lose.
A man would be different again. Keep in mind that carbs FATTEN humans
as well as animals so you may want to control your carb intake no
matter how many calories a day you consume.

yes, this i know. i was happy to find out that WW figured it out too
LOL that's why I finally came over to this side.


I think everyone is figuring it out. ) I myself was amazed to learn
we don't even require carbs to live. Our body can produce it's own from
protein. We get some in our low-carb veggies and fruit anyway.

The mystery can be unraveled by reading the many diet and weight loss
websites out there.

That's what i will be doing, this is very new type of thinking for me.


It was for me as well since I was never overweight until menopause and
thyroid problems hit me at the same time. Talk about a double whammy.

that's not the prob. i don't eat bread, will have moderate amounts of
whole wheat pasta, my carbier foods are plain oatmeal, corn, carrots,
onions and potatos, i eat loads of other veggies,

You can either cut out all these HIGH-carb foods mentioned above or
limit them severely. I eat cucumbers, celery, mushrooms, cabbage,
broccoli, cauliflower, string and wax beans, spinach, shard, turnip
greens and whatever LOW-carb veggie I find at the grocery store.

i don't eat fast food and i tended to
eat too much fatty meat vs lean meat (dark meat from poultry, lamb,
beef) i eat pretty well so it's hard to tweak. cheese is out for now -
i can't deal with low fat cheese

Dump the corn, pasta, oatmeal etc. These are all HIGH-carb foods that
you don't need if you're looking to lose weight.

Eat a lot of low-carb veggies and LEAN meats.

i am also eating alot of fruit, i've always had a sweet tooth and
hopefully i won't be sabotaging myself with the fruit but i see it as a
much better alternative to sugary treats (ice cream being the major
problem here)

Fruit is high in sugars (carbs). I would limit fruit to once a day.

your method seems rather random. we already know "eat less, excercise
more" works

In the end - that's what it really comes down to. But first you
would do well to have some idea of how many calories it takes *YOU* to
lose weight, then stay under that amount = weight loss! The more you
get out and walk the fater you will burn the fat.

i will ive and learn i suppose. tracking will help. i havea morning
and evening excercise routine and maybe after DS starts kindergarten
next week i wi'' be able to get out walking with DD.

Walk her to school if possible - then KEEP GOING!!! ) Wal-Mart
sells a pedometer for around $4 that's excellent and resets with the
push of a button. When I started walking again after my accident I
started with like 1/3 mile and worked up both in distance, grade and
speed.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================

"nanner" wrote in message
...

"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
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It was for me as well since I was never overweight until menopause and
thyroid problems hit me at the same time. Talk about a double whammy.

yikes

Yikes is right. I never had a weight problem until then. I had no idea how
hard it was to lose weight. It was very hard to accept when I looked in the
mirror.

Dump the corn, pasta, oatmeal etc. These are all HIGH-carb foods that
you don't need if you're looking to lose weight.

i am not eating tons of these but i have added them to my diet (i was a
long time Atkins dieter (since '97) and now I am here, on WW, and these
foods are part of the Core plan.

As long as you can lose weight and eat them - have at it! If I added them
to my diet I'd have to drop my daily caloric intake or lose nothing. I'd
rather not have them. And yes, I love them as well as anyone else. Once I
hit my goal weight I'll add them in small amounts. Very small amounts.

The plan says they can be eaten at one meal a day. I
am hoping that by eating a more balanced diet that includes more fruit and
some of these starchier veggies I will beat the "LC/binge/LC/binge"

Carbo bingeing was never a problem for me. I don't keep much high carb food
in the house. Occasionally I'll have 1/3 cup of something like corn or
canned Pinto beans.

rollercoaster from hell that I have been on this past year (putting back
on 18 lbs ). To my understanding (from LC land) you can't do Low Fat and
Low Carb.

Sure you can. Just make sure the meat is all low fat such as baked chicken
or turkey breast, or very lean baked pork loin, non-fatty fish, ultra lean
steak etc. and a lot of low-carb veggies on the side. Include a salad if
you like them with just a pinch of dressing. You do need some fat each day.
A little oil or butter on the veggies would provide it.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================

"Gary G" wrote in message
...
I also was a Atkins dieter and I must admit at first it was very
successful...But now with WW I can eat anything in moderation...I also do
core...It's great to be able to enjoy oatmeal for breakfast maybe a grain
or potato at dinner...Rather than low carb it is now smart carbs...Carbs
are not evil...Really...GG


They aren't evil. ) I'm not doing Atkins. Just low-carbing it.
Speaking for myself, if I add more carbs I will have to lower calories
again and I'm at 1200c a day now. It's just not worth it for those like
myself who lose better low-carbing.

BTW, you can add more carby things on the Atkins diet after the first few
weeks. Many people seem to think it's a no-carb diet. It isn't.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================

"nanner" wrote in message
...
LC definitely worked for me. I quit smoking, caffiene and sugar together,
lost 30 lbs and maintained for 2 years. I no longer had migraines, had my
anxiety and panic under control too. Had kids, got fat, lost 40 lbs on LC,
maintained for a while then found i was constantly battling myself.
Cravings would lead to binging and i couldn't keep it going.

But Atkins and other low-carb diets do allow carbs to some extent. Perhaps
you carried it to the extreme? You are allowed to add carbs until you
either stop losing weigh, or if at Goal, you start to gain. For some people
that can be 1/2 cup sweet peas or a cup of spaghetti. I don't think I could
survive a no-carb or ultra-low-carb diet indefinitely.

So after a year of
on-again-off-again LC/sugar binging and feeling awful about myself and
regaining 18 lbs I've decided to try something different.

As long as it's working and you're losing weight - stick with it!!! )

Most carbs are not evil but I can't say the same for refined sugar and
high fructose corn syrup. I think those may, in fact, be evil!!

They're empty BSugar raising calories.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================

"nanner" wrote in message
...

not to mention wierd chemicals, additives and preservatives


Which was one reason my family avoided coldcuts, bacon, packaged Hamburger
Helper type dishes, Zataran's and other such Frankenfoods.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================

I see...Well my system seems to do very well...When I was on Atkins I was
forced to drink Metamucil which I no longer need...As always YMMV...GG
"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
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"Gary G" wrote in message
...
Complex carbs are wonderful and I'm not sure why you would advise against

Because they can run 100c each. Having several pieces of fruit a day and
easily add up to 300c a day. That's the same as breakfast or lunch.
Fruit will still raise your insulin levels which encourages your body to
store fat. I myself eat one apple, pear or small bananas a day. I limit
my carbs. I've noticed in the past that the less carbs, any carbs that I
eat, the faster I lose weight. I'm stuck at 155/156 now so will drop my
carbs again.........

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================

Folks also died much younger than they do today...Not sure about your
assumptions but if it works for you that's all that matters...GG
"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
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"Nunya B." wrote in message
...
Or spare us, really. I have yet to hear how the body can produce the
fiber and phytonutrients available in healthy whole grains.

Mankind has been on earth for several million years. Mankind has only
been eating grains for the past 2000 years. Grains are not a necessary
part of the human diet. Those following Atkins for many years are not
dropping dead due to a lack of grain in their diets.

The carb itself is
only part of the picture.
--
the volleyballchick

"Gary G" wrote in message
...
Complex carbs are wonderful and I'm not sure why you would advise
against them...Maybe you can explain...GG
"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
. com...

"nanner" wrote in message
...

"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
I don't think there's any formula we can go by since we're all so
different and all live such different lifestyles. I consider myself
moderately active. I cannot eat over 1200c a day or I will not lose
weight. A more active or younger women may eat more and still lose.
A man would be different again. Keep in mind that carbs FATTEN
humans as well as animals so you may want to control your carb intake
no matter how many calories a day you consume.

yes, this i know. i was happy to find out that WW figured it out too
LOL that's why I finally came over to this side.


I think everyone is figuring it out. ) I myself was amazed to
learn we don't even require carbs to live. Our body can produce it's
own from protein. We get some in our low-carb veggies and fruit
anyway.

The mystery can be unraveled by reading the many diet and weight loss
websites out there.

That's what i will be doing, this is very new type of thinking for me.


It was for me as well since I was never overweight until menopause and
thyroid problems hit me at the same time. Talk about a double whammy.

that's not the prob. i don't eat bread, will have moderate amounts of
whole wheat pasta, my carbier foods are plain oatmeal, corn, carrots,
onions and potatos, i eat loads of other veggies,

You can either cut out all these HIGH-carb foods mentioned above or
limit them severely. I eat cucumbers, celery, mushrooms, cabbage,
broccoli, cauliflower, string and wax beans, spinach, shard, turnip
greens and whatever LOW-carb veggie I find at the grocery store.

i don't eat fast food and i tended to
eat too much fatty meat vs lean meat (dark meat from poultry, lamb,
beef) i eat pretty well so it's hard to tweak. cheese is out for now -
i can't deal with low fat cheese

Dump the corn, pasta, oatmeal etc. These are all HIGH-carb foods that
you don't need if you're looking to lose weight.

Eat a lot of low-carb veggies and LEAN meats.

i am also eating alot of fruit, i've always had a sweet tooth and
hopefully i won't be sabotaging myself with the fruit but i see it as
a much better alternative to sugary treats (ice cream being the major
problem here)

Fruit is high in sugars (carbs). I would limit fruit to once a day.

your method seems rather random. we already know "eat less,
excercise more" works

In the end - that's what it really comes down to. But first you
would do well to have some idea of how many calories it takes *YOU*
to lose weight, then stay under that amount = weight loss! The more
you get out and walk the fater you will burn the fat.

i will ive and learn i suppose. tracking will help. i havea morning
and evening excercise routine and maybe after DS starts kindergarten
next week i wi'' be able to get out walking with DD.

Walk her to school if possible - then KEEP GOING!!! ) Wal-Mart
sells a pedometer for around $4 that's excellent and resets with the
push of a button. When I started walking again after my accident I
started with like 1/3 mile and worked up both in distance, grade and
speed.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================

As I said I was on Atkins...I certainly understand the plan and was an
advocate for more than a year...But for me it was not the route best
taken...GG
"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
. com...

"Gary G" wrote in message
...
I also was a Atkins dieter and I must admit at first it was very
successful...But now with WW I can eat anything in moderation...I also do
core...It's great to be able to enjoy oatmeal for breakfast maybe a grain
or potato at dinner...Rather than low carb it is now smart carbs...Carbs
are not evil...Really...GG


They aren't evil. ) I'm not doing Atkins. Just low-carbing it.
Speaking for myself, if I add more carbs I will have to lower calories
again and I'm at 1200c a day now. It's just not worth it for those like
myself who lose better low-carbing.

BTW, you can add more carby things on the Atkins diet after the first few
weeks. Many people seem to think it's a no-carb diet. It isn't.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================

Lá~ká~ Wáná wrote:

Mankind has been on earth for several million years. Mankind has only
been eating grains for the past 2000 years. Grains are not a necessary
part of the human diet. Those following Atkins for many years are not
dropping dead due to a lack of grain in their diets.

Um. I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. If only beause the
ancient Egyptians.. as far back as 3000BC.. were eating grain breads and
brewing beer.

I mean, they've found the residue in tombs. They know it was there. I
can go look in my books if you want a specific example, altho given
those books are in storage it'd take me quite a while to dig them out
and figure out where best to pick exemplars.

But really. They were. The Greeks had bread too. And while the
American continents really aren't my forté, I'm pretty sure they were
grinding corn and grains to make tortilla-like breads back in the same
epoch. That's something that irritates me about people who freak out
about genetically modified veggies these days: all they're doing is
speeding up the selective breeding natives have been doing for thousands
of years, it's nothing we suddenly need to fear.

Bread isn't a modern invention. We started making it a really *really*
long time ago. Really.

-Tay

"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
. com...

"nanner" wrote in message
...
LC definitely worked for me. I quit smoking, caffiene and sugar together,
lost 30 lbs and maintained for 2 years. I no longer had migraines, had my
anxiety and panic under control too. Had kids, got fat, lost 40 lbs on
LC, maintained for a while then found i was constantly battling myself.
Cravings would lead to binging and i couldn't keep it going.

But Atkins and other low-carb diets do allow carbs to some extent.
Perhaps you carried it to the extreme?

no, i know how it works over there and i was the town-crier for Atkins for
many years LOL

You are allowed to add carbs until you
either stop losing weigh, or if at Goal, you start to gain. For some
people that can be 1/2 cup sweet peas or a cup of spaghetti. I don't think
I could survive a no-carb or ultra-low-carb diet indefinitely.

no, no one can. and i am not sur eif somehting changed in me after having my
2nd child but suddenly things became unbearable and i couldn't deal with
that WOE anymore after 6 years


So after a year of
on-again-off-again LC/sugar binging and feeling awful about myself and
regaining 18 lbs I've decided to try something different.

As long as it's working and you're losing weight - stick with it!!! )

it's only abeen a week, i'm hoping for the best. i don't officially WI till
wednesday and i officially started on tuesday but i have seen the scale go
down 3 lbs


Most carbs are not evil but I can't say the same for refined sugar and
high fructose corn syrup. I think those may, in fact, be evil!!

They're empty BSugar raising calories.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================