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Thanks for passing on the *official* printed information, Cindy. I do not attend
meetings, never have, never will (I am a ww online member) but have been very interested in this thread. Guess I'm trying to get into corporate ww head. grin I don't understand where they are coming from ... or maybe I do and just don't WANT to understand. It seems to me that ww has never really supported members once they reach maintenance. Help is hard to find, explanations are harder. With the change in the new program seeming to be geared more to losing than maintaining, along with the new *rule*, it seems to me that ww almost wants maintainers to fail. Could this be another way for ww to make more money? Don't allow topics of food items other than ww (or those that ww possibly collects an advertising fee from), don't share recipes that may include non ww food items, make it much more difficult for longtime successful members to continue keeping that weight off. It all adds up to $$$ in my eyes. I have been on various programs in the past, all have had scheduled meetings available that were for those that had reached their goals. They were supportive, but topics were mainly on how to stay there. Why does ww not offer something like this? It should be easy for them since every leader has been through the program and reached their goal, as well as maintaining successfully. They should all be well versed on the subject. I don't see it as a difficult thing - yet I have not once heard of this being available. If the reasoning behind not allowing maintainers to come to meetings on a weekly basis, because they are taking space away from other potentional customers who want to lose ... then add some meetings that are strictly geared to maintainers! Problem easily solved, everyone happy. If everyone is happy, ww gets free advertising from word of mouth. Unhappy customers are not a good thing. And the 2 pound weight differential seems rather ridiculous to me also. Heck, 2 pounds is nothing - I can sway more than that in a day, depending on what I have eaten - as well as taking into consideration changes in climate, weather and related clothing. I know I'm being picky, but I think ww is getting a bit greedier these days. Your leader is 100% correct though. It's not fair to be angry at her, she IS only the messenger and has to do her job. Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 133.3 Lifetime: 4/4/03 On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:59:47 GMT, "Cindy" wrote: My group is part of WW of Philadelphia. Our leader said, "Please don't hate the messenger." She encouraged us to write to HQ to voice our opinions. I intend to do so. The handout we got this week states: "Lifetime members must weigh in at each meeting. If lifetime member is more than two pounds above weight goal, the weekly fee is required." I know of at least 8 lifetime members in my group who won't be going weekly anymore. This may be pennywise, but it is pound foolish! (Excuse the pun!) Lifetimers are an asset to meeting discussions. The support part of WW is getting pushed aside for profit. My WW friends have gotten me through some rough times...and not just concerning weight loss. What harm is done in allowing lifetimers to attend meetings without paying (except our once-a-month weigh-in week)? Cindy "Fred" wrote in message .. . Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas" so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the "corporate envelope???" On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq wrote: I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am waiting to see what happens. Coq On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred wrote: I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board" the other day but did not inquire. A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more sharing organization. |
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Most of WW is "corporate" but a lot of it is franchises. The franchises
can set their own rules as well as their own charges. Currently the WW North America rule for Lifetimers is as follows: You only need to weigh in once a month. You can attend meetings as often as you like, BUT you weigh in at the first meeting you attend in the calendar month. It is the same with non lifetimers who attend more than one meeting a week -- you weigh in at the first one. As far as in meeting support for lifetimers, it seems to be more of an individual leader and center matter. At our center there are a couple of leaders who are more supportive of lifetimers and a couple who are less so. Lifetimers gravitate toward the more supportive meetings. There is also a special promotion going on in Northern California with a lower weekly fee for lifetimers who are above goal and want to come every week. We tend to see WW as a monolithic corporate entity and ascribe all practices as "corporate policy". Sometimes the practices are "franchise policy" and some may even be handed down from local Territory Managers and not come from ON HIGH at all. Just my $.02 (US) -- Anne in CA "Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here today." -- Sheryl Crow 162/129/132 http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/ww.htm Cindy wrote: My group is part of WW of Philadelphia. Our leader said, "Please don't hate the messenger." She encouraged us to write to HQ to voice our opinions. I intend to do so. The handout we got this week states: "Lifetime members must weigh in at each meeting. If lifetime member is more than two pounds above weight goal, the weekly fee is required." I know of at least 8 lifetime members in my group who won't be going weekly anymore. This may be pennywise, but it is pound foolish! (Excuse the pun!) Lifetimers are an asset to meeting discussions. The support part of WW is getting pushed aside for profit. My WW friends have gotten me through some rough times...and not just concerning weight loss. What harm is done in allowing lifetimers to attend meetings without paying (except our once-a-month weigh-in week)? Cindy "Fred" wrote in message ... Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas" so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the "corporate envelope???" On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq wrote: I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am waiting to see what happens. Coq On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred wrote: I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board" the other day but did not inquire. A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more sharing organization. |
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Anne,
Where are you located in Nor Cal? I am in Stockton. Debbie "Anne" wrote in message ... Most of WW is "corporate" but a lot of it is franchises. The franchises can set their own rules as well as their own charges. Currently the WW North America rule for Lifetimers is as follows: You only need to weigh in once a month. You can attend meetings as often as you like, BUT you weigh in at the first meeting you attend in the calendar month. It is the same with non lifetimers who attend more than one meeting a week -- you weigh in at the first one. As far as in meeting support for lifetimers, it seems to be more of an individual leader and center matter. At our center there are a couple of leaders who are more supportive of lifetimers and a couple who are less so. Lifetimers gravitate toward the more supportive meetings. There is also a special promotion going on in Northern California with a lower weekly fee for lifetimers who are above goal and want to come every week. We tend to see WW as a monolithic corporate entity and ascribe all practices as "corporate policy". Sometimes the practices are "franchise policy" and some may even be handed down from local Territory Managers and not come from ON HIGH at all. Just my $.02 (US) -- Anne in CA "Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here today." -- Sheryl Crow 162/129/132 http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/ww.htm Cindy wrote: My group is part of WW of Philadelphia. Our leader said, "Please don't hate the messenger." She encouraged us to write to HQ to voice our opinions. I intend to do so. The handout we got this week states: "Lifetime members must weigh in at each meeting. If lifetime member is more than two pounds above weight goal, the weekly fee is required." I know of at least 8 lifetime members in my group who won't be going weekly anymore. This may be pennywise, but it is pound foolish! (Excuse the pun!) Lifetimers are an asset to meeting discussions. The support part of WW is getting pushed aside for profit. My WW friends have gotten me through some rough times...and not just concerning weight loss. What harm is done in allowing lifetimers to attend meetings without paying (except our once-a-month weigh-in week)? Cindy "Fred" wrote in message ... Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas" so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the "corporate envelope???" On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq wrote: I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am waiting to see what happens. Coq On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred wrote: I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board" the other day but did not inquire. A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more sharing organization. |
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Peninsula -- Los Altos Hills (next door to Palo Alto)
Deb in Northern California wrote: Anne, Where are you located in Nor Cal? I am in Stockton. Debbie -- Anne in CA "Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here today." -- Sheryl Crow 162/129/132 http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/ww.htm |
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Well, a few weeks ago, my leader did convince me to weighin even
though I did not have to. Apparently, they, the leaders, do get paid per head but the only way that "corporate" knows to pay them is to have their record (the book we leave there in their files) updated and that only happens when you weigh. So I did weigh. So maybe this is a combo of leaders wanted to get paid a bit more and corporate. Since I'm still new to Lifetime I was not very aware of the issues of when payment was necessary (over goal by more than 2 pounds) and similar issues. I know I was told I could attend FREE and only had to weighin ONCE PER MONTH. I have to look - that may even be in the Lifetime booklet they gave me - which I might consider a contract (but it probably says they can change the conditions at any time!!!!) On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:59:47 GMT, "Cindy" wrote: My group is part of WW of Philadelphia. Our leader said, "Please don't hate the messenger." She encouraged us to write to HQ to voice our opinions. I intend to do so. The handout we got this week states: "Lifetime members must weigh in at each meeting. If lifetime member is more than two pounds above weight goal, the weekly fee is required." I know of at least 8 lifetime members in my group who won't be going weekly anymore. This may be pennywise, but it is pound foolish! (Excuse the pun!) Lifetimers are an asset to meeting discussions. The support part of WW is getting pushed aside for profit. My WW friends have gotten me through some rough times...and not just concerning weight loss. What harm is done in allowing lifetimers to attend meetings without paying (except our once-a-month weigh-in week)? Cindy "Fred" wrote in message .. . Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas" so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the "corporate envelope???" On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq wrote: I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am waiting to see what happens. Coq On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred wrote: I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board" the other day but did not inquire. A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more sharing organization. |
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Hmmm...that is very interesting! Can anyone address this? How can the rule
for North America differ from that of the Phila. franchise? Cindy "Anne" wrote in message ... Most of WW is "corporate" but a lot of it is franchises. The franchises can set their own rules as well as their own charges. Currently the WW North America rule for Lifetimers is as follows: You only need to weigh in once a month. You can attend meetings as often as you like, BUT you weigh in at the first meeting you attend in the calendar month. It is the same with non lifetimers who attend more than one meeting a week -- you weigh in at the first one. As far as in meeting support for lifetimers, it seems to be more of an individual leader and center matter. At our center there are a couple of leaders who are more supportive of lifetimers and a couple who are less so. Lifetimers gravitate toward the more supportive meetings. There is also a special promotion going on in Northern California with a lower weekly fee for lifetimers who are above goal and want to come every week. We tend to see WW as a monolithic corporate entity and ascribe all practices as "corporate policy". Sometimes the practices are "franchise policy" and some may even be handed down from local Territory Managers and not come from ON HIGH at all. Just my $.02 (US) -- Anne in CA "Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here today." -- Sheryl Crow 162/129/132 http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/ww.htm Cindy wrote: My group is part of WW of Philadelphia. Our leader said, "Please don't hate the messenger." She encouraged us to write to HQ to voice our opinions. I intend to do so. The handout we got this week states: "Lifetime members must weigh in at each meeting. If lifetime member is more than two pounds above weight goal, the weekly fee is required." I know of at least 8 lifetime members in my group who won't be going weekly anymore. This may be pennywise, but it is pound foolish! (Excuse the pun!) Lifetimers are an asset to meeting discussions. The support part of WW is getting pushed aside for profit. My WW friends have gotten me through some rough times...and not just concerning weight loss. What harm is done in allowing lifetimers to attend meetings without paying (except our once-a-month weigh-in week)? Cindy "Fred" wrote in message ... Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas" so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the "corporate envelope???" On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq wrote: I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am waiting to see what happens. Coq On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred wrote: I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board" the other day but did not inquire. A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more sharing organization. |
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Sorry. My explanation was unclear. The franchises are separate from the
North America Corporate. The "North America rule" that I cited was for WW Centers that belong to the North America Corporate body. Franchises can set their own pricing (to a point) and also seem to set other rules as well. From my (admittedly limited) knowledge of how they work, the franchises can set rules that are the same as, or more restrictive, but not less restrictive. To be very sure what "rules" are being followed at a particular center, ask them. -- Anne in CA "Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here today." -- Sheryl Crow 162/129/132 http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/ww.htm Cindy wrote: Hmmm...that is very interesting! Can anyone address this? How can the rule for North America differ from that of the Phila. franchise? Cindy "Anne" wrote in message ... Most of WW is "corporate" but a lot of it is franchises. The franchises can set their own rules as well as their own charges. Currently the WW North America rule for Lifetimers is as follows: You only need to weigh in once a month. You can attend meetings as often as you like, BUT you weigh in at the first meeting you attend in the calendar month. It is the same with non lifetimers who attend more than one meeting a week -- you weigh in at the first one. As far as in meeting support for lifetimers, it seems to be more of an individual leader and center matter. At our center there are a couple of leaders who are more supportive of lifetimers and a couple who are less so. Lifetimers gravitate toward the more supportive meetings. There is also a special promotion going on in Northern California with a lower weekly fee for lifetimers who are above goal and want to come every week. We tend to see WW as a monolithic corporate entity and ascribe all practices as "corporate policy". Sometimes the practices are "franchise policy" and some may even be handed down from local Territory Managers and not come from ON HIGH at all. Just my $.02 (US) -- Cindy wrote: My group is part of WW of Philadelphia. Our leader said, "Please don't hate the messenger." She encouraged us to write to HQ to voice our opinions. I intend to do so. The handout we got this week states: "Lifetime members must weigh in at each meeting. If lifetime member is more than two pounds above weight goal, the weekly fee is required." I know of at least 8 lifetime members in my group who won't be going weekly anymore. This may be pennywise, but it is pound foolish! (Excuse the pun!) Lifetimers are an asset to meeting discussions. The support part of WW is getting pushed aside for profit. My WW friends have gotten me through some rough times...and not just concerning weight loss. What harm is done in allowing lifetimers to attend meetings without paying (except our once-a-month weigh-in week)? Cindy "Fred" wrote in message ... Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas" so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the "corporate envelope???" On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq wrote: I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am waiting to see what happens. Coq On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred wrote: I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board" the other day but did not inquire. A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more sharing organization. -- Anne in CA "Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here today." -- Sheryl Crow http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/annes.htm |
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