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Old May 26th, 2004, 06:15 AM
Nathalie W
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What about V8-juice ? It 's liquid vegetable... as are all kinds of soups,
maybe you like them ?
Spaghetti sauce made of pureed tomatoes, peppers, carrots etc. maybe mixed
with some minced meat is really good and you don't notice you ' re having
healthy veggies :-)
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"Geoff" wrote in message
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"krys" wrote in message
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Plums - 3 for 1 pt
Grapes.
Cherries.
Tomatoes - I eat 'em like apples.
Strawberries - 150g for 1 pt.
Organic carrots are good for munching - yep, I know - a vegetable, but

the
best ones are sweet.
Rice cakes - 3 for 1pt, and less sawdust than ryvita - good for dipping

in
low point salsa etc......

I tried.......



Hi Krys. Oh I wish I wasn't so fussy. Rice cakes are less sawdust than
Riveta? Maybe I'm thinking of something else. I think my Mother has some

so
I'll have a look in the morning. Grapes looks like the best bet from your
list. I'll look up how many I could eat for a point.

Thank you very much Krys.
Geoff.




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Old May 26th, 2004, 08:43 AM
Geoff
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I'm going to speak from the heart, and this is going to be 'tough love'.

There isn't EVER a good time to lose weight, or to do anything we don't
REALLY want to do. You seem to have some reasons why you can't stick to a
diet, in this case weight watchers, and we really can't give you one. We
can answer your questions, but we can't answer your question behind the
question: Why can't I eat what I want and still lose weight.

If you don't want to control your portion size (eesh, 10 bananas?) have

you
considered exercising more? Walking, hiking, swimming, riding your bike?
To fill your stomach drink black coffee, black tea, diet soda, water.

You WILL have to sacrifice somethings to lose weight. Also, out of
curisoity how much do you weight and how tall are you?

In all seriousness, good luck. If you can't stick to a plan, pick

something
you can stick with. What you might want to consider is to journal
everything that you eat, in a normal non dieting day, and then scale down
from there.



I think you've misunderstood some of my post and what I'm trying to ask. I
never said that I didn't want to control my portion size, and when I wrote
'10 bananas' I was obviously exagerating and semi-joking. I know all the
obvious ways to lose weight such as exercising more. Anyone who has tried to
lose weight as many times as I have will know the basics very well. I have
been doing very well losing weight the last 2 weeks and have been doing a
lot more walking than I used to. Things like bike riding and swimming though
aren't possible for someone like me who is very overweight, for what should
be obvious reasons.

I know I have to sacrafice things to lose weight, and that is what I've been
doing. I don't really want to admit my weight-Not even my girlfriend or
Parents know so I hope you understand that. I'm just embarrassed about it,
rightly or wrongly. I am 6 foot tall though, but that doesn't really help
you without knowing my weight too.

All I need to know is zero points food, and some of you have suggested some
things, and I'm grateful for the help.

Geoff.


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Old May 26th, 2004, 08:45 AM
Geoff
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"Laura" wrote in message
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I have to agree with bucknaked. You have to WANT to lose weight for
starters. Quit making excuses or you will never succeed with WW. Secondly,
you have to be willing to make the long-term aka permanent commitment to a
new healthier way of eating. If this means eating small portions of higher
calorie foods or eating lots of low point foods then that is what is going
to take to lose weight.



Hi Laura. I DO want to lose weight. I'm not sure why you think I don't? I
wouldn't be here if I didn't want to. I wasn't making excuses at all? I'm
just saying that I find it very tough, as does everyone who's trying to lose
weight. I am also making a long term commitement to a new healthier way of
eating, and I am constantly working on that, hense asking for suggestions
here of what zero point foods I could eat.

Geoff.


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Old May 26th, 2004, 08:55 AM
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"Miss Violette" wrote in message
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This makes me very sad to read this, if you had a cut that needed stitches
you would pay someone to clean and sew you up, WW is a health provider as
far as I am concerned. Rather than thinking of it as a weakness perhaps,
you should see the strength in asking for, paying for and receiving the
assistance you need to accomplish your goals, Lee


Hello Lee. I agree with you in principle but I can't see what paying WW
would do for me? I have asked people this before and they start being very
cruel and arguing with me as if I'm trying to be difficult! I'm not doing
that so PLEASE don't take me the wrong way or in an offensive way. I simply
get a little put off at the thought of paying a company when the only extra
thing they can give me that I don't already have access to (via my Mother
who is a member) is a room to sit in with other people. That IS a huge
benefit, I admit that, but I would like to see those people as friends (it
is friends that I really need) and I wouldn't normally pay to make friends.
I do still think it maybe worth my while though but at the moment I'm not
going with that option.

I am not actually that interested in following WW anymore than just using
their points system anyway. I like the idea of their points system simply
because it's helpful to be able to categorise food like that and also to
have a target to work towards, and that is helping me at the moment. I think
I would gain very little by paying WW though when my Mother is already a
member.

Geoff.


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Old May 26th, 2004, 08:59 AM
Geoff
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"Nathalie W" wrote in message
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What about V8-juice ? It 's liquid vegetable... as are all kinds of soups,
maybe you like them ?
Spaghetti sauce made of pureed tomatoes, peppers, carrots etc. maybe mixed
with some minced meat is really good and you don't notice you ' re having
healthy veggies :-)



Thanks Nathalie. I'm not sure I'd really want to try that. It sounds a
bit...errrmmm...well not really something I'd like! The mince meat part
sounds good though.


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Old May 26th, 2004, 09:03 AM
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"Fred" wrote in message
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Well, what about salsa. It is pretty low in points, if not quite zero
when you start eating cups of it. It comes in a variety of "heats" so
that you might accommodate your tastes. I also eat pickles when I
need something a bit more filling but don't want POINTED foods. I
happen to like veggies. Also pineapple and canteloup are pretty lower
in points in the US system anyway.

Potatoes, at least in the US, are starch and NOT really veggies.

If this is a rough time, then it might not be opportune to force
either a diet or trying to really try eaching veggies.

Good luck



Unfortunately I don't like salsa. I keep seeing pineapple mention
actually and I'm not honestly sure if I like that or not, so I will get one
and try, so thanks for the suggestion.

I wouldn't have said potatoes were veggies either but it's just something
I've heard in the past.

As you say, maybe it isn't a good time to try and diet but to be honest I
don't know when in the last 3 years would be a good time, so I'm doing it
now and have managed for over 2 weeks now. I know that isn't long but it's
not bad considering my past record and keeping up diets so I'm quite pleased
with myself so far.

Cheers Fred,
Geoff.


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Old May 26th, 2004, 09:56 AM
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"Kate Dicey" wrote in message
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Hi Kate. Thanks for your nice long post. I'll go through it bit by bit...

If you are above the top weights in the charts, see if your mum can find
out through WW what your points SHOULD be. I know it will mean eating
more to start with, but you need a certain amount to keep working while
you work on the excess. Here in the UK if you are more than 20 stone or
280 lbs and a man, you get 36 points, plus whatever bonus points you
earn through exercise.


36 is what I'm working to at the moment. I am above 20 (and a man!) and
although 36 is hard to stick to, I have almost managed it for over 2 weeks
now (have gone a little over on some days). I figured that as I'm just about
managing it, I won't try to find out if I can eat anymore than that. Maybe
that isn't the best way to do things because I may not be getting enough,
but I'm not a huge amount over 20 stone and I do feel like I'm eating enough
really, however hard it is for me.

My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like any

food
that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the way I

am
and I can't do anything about it.


Yes you can! One of the significant things about like and dislikes
in food is that MOST of them are LEARNED responses!


Yeah I accept that, but I really do feel physically sick at eating some
vegetables and although I haven't even tried many of them, I am scared to
because of how I react to some of them. There is probably some deep reason
why they make me feel physically sick but....well I don't know what to do. I
feel that if I can eat my points without touching a vegitable then I'll stay
away from them. Of course what I asked for is help with zero point foods,
and I know full well that the majority of people will tell me 'vegitables'.
So I'm a bit stuck.

There are very few
programmed in flavours that are natural and instant dislikes. One of
the things that is quite noticeable is that in families where a LOT of
fresh foods and vegetables are eaten, the kids LIKE things like Brussels
sprouts, broccoli, cabbage, courgettes, onions and whatever, and in
families where this is NOT encouraged from an early age (as in under a
year old!), the kids profess to dislike them even before trying them!


I agree with you. I'm not saying that I don't like all vegitables without
trying any though. I used to try things like beans and peas and I would
honestly throw up if I wasn't careful. They really did make me sick because
I found the taste sooo nasty-Especially peas! I know I need to try others
but I guess I'm just scared stiff to.

And stop thinking of it as a diet! It's a healthy eating plan FOR LIFE!
And like all major life changes, it takes time to work into and get right.


Good point, and that makes me realise that I do need to try different food
even if I am coping without it at the moment. I know I can't stick at what
I'm eating at the moment for the rest of my life. I would tell you what my
daily food roughly is but to be honest, I'll only attract a lot of replies
from people critisising it when I already know it's stupid.

Potatoes count as a starch in the Great Plan, not a vegetable. They are
in the same bracket as rice, bread, pasta, and the like. For the sake
of your health, you need to include AT LEAST 5 portions of fruit and
vegetables per day.


I could eat 5 bananas a day if I really had to but that would swallow up a
lot of my pounts-7.5 to be exact, as I'm sure you know (I'm just proof
reading this now and I know you don't agree with the 1.5 points and I've
mentioned that later). Doesn't sound that bad actually. I know that I
shouldn't just stick to bananas though and I wouldn't want to. I can eat
apples too, although I don't like them very much. It isn't the taste I don't
like but they are just hard to eat! I'll eat them if I have to though. I
like some other fruits such as grapes, and someone else suggested them as a
low points fruit.

You mentioned fiber that you get from vegitables and fruit. How about if I
get it from cereal? I know that a lot of cereal has fiber in. I don't know
how much compared to what I need for the day but I have maybe 2 bowls of
cereal a day as part of my current 'plan'.

I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher

points.
The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't

something I
can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet.


The must be VERY big bananas! A small (80g without skin) banana is
1 point here in the UK.


I was going by one of the WW lists that I THINK says a 'medium' banana is
1.5 points. What do you think? Is that not correct or (like most things!) is
it too Americanised? Do they have larger bananas in America or something?

Apples are only half a point each, and there are LOTS of different

varieties
about. Try different varieties and see what you can find.


I definately will, thank you.

Peel fruit and chop it up: takes longer to prepare and eat that way!


I would peel the apples anyway because the part I don't like about them is
the skin! I just need to practise my non-existant peeling skills!

Mix a higher point fruit with a lower point one: a cocktail of apples and
orange, or kiwi fruit and pear, for example.


Is apples and bananas ok?

Have you tried having a drink instead? Quite often the body gets
confused and asks for food when it's really dehydrated. Have a glass of
water and wait. If you are still hungry after 20 minutes, eat a raw

carrot!

I can't eat carrots....yet anyway. I do actually drink a lot of water
and when I'm hungry it does help. I love water with tons of ice in and that
does really help me. I also drink a lot of diet coke. I know some people say
that isn't good for me but it's zero points, so when I'm as desperate as I
am to lose a lot of weight, I'll get the weight off first and then worry
about what's not good for me.

Carrots are quite a good one. If you chop them in slices and eat them
like chips, they taste sweeter and last longer. Swede and carrots
grated take AGES to eat, so make you feel fuller, and they taste sweeter
than when whole or boiled.


Someone needs to dare me to try a carrot I think! Such a scary thought.

There aren't any really good 'mad munchies' foods that are not
vegetables. I'm going to suggest something here that I want you to
think about really seriously: learn to cook! NOT just to throw a few
simple dishes together, but really learn to prepare and cook vegetables.
Get a WW vegetarian cookbook, and try lots of different things in
different combinations. If you don't like the 'two veg' of meat and two
veg dinners, ask yourself why. Do you dislike carrots and broccoli
because they are cooked to a tasteless mush?


If they were a tasteless mush that would be better to be honest.

Thanks for the recipe idea Kate. I don't know how I can eat all that stuff
at the moment but I DO want to be able to, I really do. I don't know how to
make myself like vegitables though.

The last thing I can do is say KEEP TRYING! New tastes take a while to
develop, so don't give up, and try a little at a time.


I will try, but it is tough. I've never managed to lose much weight in the
past and a big part of me thinks I won't manage this time either. I know
that isn't the way to think but I can't help that. This is why I need
support, but I need 'real' support from friends who really care. I don't
have any local friends though so I'm a bit stuck. I know I can get support
in some places like this group, but even then SOME people tend to criticise
rather than help. Some have the attitude, "Why do you think this? Why do you
do that?" and are harsh about it, rather than trying to understand and help
me, so then I just get wound up and soon give up totally.

Thanks again for your long post, it's been helpful.
Geoff.


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Old May 26th, 2004, 09:58 AM
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Geoff wrote:

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
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This makes me very sad to read this, if you had a cut that needed stitches
you would pay someone to clean and sew you up, WW is a health provider as
far as I am concerned. Rather than thinking of it as a weakness perhaps,
you should see the strength in asking for, paying for and receiving the
assistance you need to accomplish your goals, Lee



Hello Lee. I agree with you in principle but I can't see what paying WW
would do for me? I have asked people this before and they start being very
cruel and arguing with me as if I'm trying to be difficult! I'm not doing
that so PLEASE don't take me the wrong way or in an offensive way. I simply
get a little put off at the thought of paying a company when the only extra
thing they can give me that I don't already have access to (via my Mother
who is a member) is a room to sit in with other people. That IS a huge
benefit, I admit that, but I would like to see those people as friends (it
is friends that I really need) and I wouldn't normally pay to make friends.
I do still think it maybe worth my while though but at the moment I'm not
going with that option.

I am not actually that interested in following WW anymore than just using
their points system anyway. I like the idea of their points system simply
because it's helpful to be able to categorise food like that and also to
have a target to work towards, and that is helping me at the moment. I think
I would gain very little by paying WW though when my Mother is already a
member.

Geoff.


One of the things I really like about the meetings I go to is the
support: the helping hand along the way, the flow of ideas for new foods
to try and the discussion of all the different things that work for the
different people. There is also the psychological aspect of paying: it
makes ME more determined to stay on program!

And one of the best things about WW is that NOTHING is forbidden, no
food is bad, and no-one condemns you for what you do. Everything has a
points value, from cheese to chocolate, and YOU choose what to spend the
points on. Every discarded pound is celebrated, and every gain mourned
without blame. Strategies for getting back in the groove are suggested
for the ones who stray, and altogether we have a serious giggle!

Stop for a moment and turn the question round: rather than thinking
'What would going to the meetings do for me?', ask 'What is NOT going to
meetings doing for me?'

It isn't helping you to lose weight
It isn't giving you the example of others to follow
It isn't teaching you to re-educate your tastes and food habits
It isn't helping you not to feel guilty about food
It isn't teaching you about healthy options for eating out
It isn't providing you with a helpline in times of need
It isn't providing you with a pleasant social occasion to look forward
to every week

I'm sure you can think of a lot more. And yes, you CAN get some of
these things in other ways, but it's great to get them all at once!

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Old May 26th, 2004, 10:00 AM
Kate Dicey
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Geoff wrote:

"Nathalie W" wrote in message
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What about V8-juice ? It 's liquid vegetable... as are all kinds of soups,
maybe you like them ?
Spaghetti sauce made of pureed tomatoes, peppers, carrots etc. maybe mixed
with some minced meat is really good and you don't notice you ' re having
healthy veggies :-)




Thanks Nathalie. I'm not sure I'd really want to try that. It sounds a
bit...errrmmm...well not really something I'd like! The mince meat part
sounds good though.


Try minced turkey or chicken: lower fat and lower point than beef. Also
learn the dry-fry technique!

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Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
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Old May 26th, 2004, 10:25 AM
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I was not offended in the least. I am just kinda sad for you since you
haven't gone. I read in another post that you are uncomfortable saying your
weight, I was for a long time here and everyone supported me when I couldn't
say it and they were great when I finally came clean. I hope you find what
you need, I think this group might be some help to you, Lee
Geoff wrote in message
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"Miss Violette" wrote in message
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This makes me very sad to read this, if you had a cut that needed

stitches
you would pay someone to clean and sew you up, WW is a health provider

as
far as I am concerned. Rather than thinking of it as a weakness

perhaps,
you should see the strength in asking for, paying for and receiving the
assistance you need to accomplish your goals, Lee


Hello Lee. I agree with you in principle but I can't see what paying WW
would do for me? I have asked people this before and they start being very
cruel and arguing with me as if I'm trying to be difficult! I'm not doing
that so PLEASE don't take me the wrong way or in an offensive way. I

simply
get a little put off at the thought of paying a company when the only

extra
thing they can give me that I don't already have access to (via my Mother
who is a member) is a room to sit in with other people. That IS a huge
benefit, I admit that, but I would like to see those people as friends (it
is friends that I really need) and I wouldn't normally pay to make

friends.
I do still think it maybe worth my while though but at the moment I'm not
going with that option.

I am not actually that interested in following WW anymore than just using
their points system anyway. I like the idea of their points system simply
because it's helpful to be able to categorise food like that and also to
have a target to work towards, and that is helping me at the moment. I

think
I would gain very little by paying WW though when my Mother is already a
member.

Geoff.




 




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