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"The Greatest Vitamin in the World" available NOW in the U.S.--SCAM!
jas3777 wrote:
Um, I think that this is at best a hype-job or at worst a scam. Absolutely incorrect on both counts. Did you thoroughly read the web site information? No. I said that I didn't. I wasn't going to go traipsing about in a website that dishes out credits to various "finders" (read: news group spammers) for directing folks to their site. That puts you just about "on-par" with all of the 'pecker-stretcher' or 'breast-enlargement' spams we all get every day. And if you ask those folks, they'll swear that their products work as well as you do yours... ...There is no known (that means provable) vitamin or combination of vitamins that relieves or mitigates the effects of stress on the body. Per the web site: Yeah, cute! Unbiased, thoroughly peer-reviewed, and doctor tested, hu? And go there so that you can get more goodie points. Sure! Wait for it.... self-serving web clip snipped .... Neither is there any known combination that relieves "sugar level/diabetes" problems and so on... Again, quoting verbatim from the web site: Nutrition can play a vital role in people with diabetes, especially Yes. "Nutrition" can; popping vitamin supplements can't. In modern times only a carbohydrate control diet, like Atkins (and related), have shown to have *ANY* ability to deal with some levels of some forms of diabetes. Some truly remarkable strides have been made allowing people to reduce and in some instances even stop taking their medications. *NO* vitamin supplement has ever done that. Nor will it. Unless your charlatans can cook up a, "vitamin Z." That's one that eliminates carbohydrates from the diet. Now that one, I could get behind... And yes, I know of a handful of micro-nutrients that have been shown to have an affect in some of the several insulin impacted metabolic cycles going on in the body. But *NONE* have ever made the slightest impact on the course, treatment, or resolution of anyone with diabetes. Cuz if they did, I should have been able to find at least one of the medical journals that I read that would have trumpeted that fact. another self-serving web clip snipped Further, in order to get anywhere near your MDR, it's going to take more than 1 pill--more than several, even. You just can't cram enough stuff into one pill and keep it small enough to be swallowed. Your point being, what? Nobody ever said the dosage of "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" is one tablet per day for all the benefits you will receive. Almost every supplement that Atkins Nutritionals sells requires you to take them 2 to 3 times a day. That's why I don't take what they peddle either. I read the journals (and Atkins and related) and figure out what I need, and what I don't. I understand which food items I must consume and what they will yield, and from that extrapolate what micro-nutrients I might be missing. Then I go to my local pharmacy and purchase whatever might be "short." In addition, some vitamins are oil based, and can't easily be integrated into a dry pellet--at least not without suffering dramatic loss of value. In addition to that, when incorporated in its best form, the oil based ones tend to "bleed" into the matrix of the vehicle material. At best it just discolors the pill, and at worst it renders an awful taste and smell. Again, you're commenting without the facts. My suggestion is that you thoroughly read the information contained on the web site. The vitamins pills are not "discolored" nor do they render "an awful taste and smell." I didn't say they were. I said that when you mix oil-based vitamins into a dry mix, they cause discoloring and can generate bad flavors and smells. There are ways to get around that. The most common way is for vendors to use lesser effective dry precursors and carry on as if they were just as good (and in their own minds, they are). They are not! You can present an oil soluable vitamin in a non-oily form. Chemically that can be done. But you can not put the same amount of active materials (if any at all) into that kind of mix. An oil based vitamin is an oil based vitamin for a reason--and it's not marketing. If you could manage that, and still get the same results; then you could market a "dry" olive oil--but it just wouldn't be the same, now would it? And as far as I know, that's not yet possible... insipid marketing oriented phsyco-babble snipped I wouldn't expect anyone to post criticism of it when you haven't tried the product and you didn't bother to educate yourself on its tremendous benefits. Um, I have "educated myself" on the tremendous benefits of various aspects of nutrition; as well as the drawbacks, limitation, fallicies, and the pop-science garbage that everybody and their uncle will try to sell me. All of the doctors I know, and all of the doctors I've read--absent those that are fronts, shills, or owners of vitamin stores--will tell you the same thing. I was gonna give you some links, but a closed mind (or at least one that gets "credits" from having others visit a website) certainly isn't going to follow and read them. So it would be a waste of bandwidth and my time to do so... But for my friends on this list and the general good here's a link that might prove useful. These guys are also pill-peddlers, but they also provide a wealth of information that you can check out via JAMA, CDC, NEJM, similar pubs, or your own MD. They don't sell a wonder pill, they just sell products without any made up hype. Again, I don't work for 'em and I don't buy their pills. But they have great info. Here's a list of vitamins, what they do, what they don't, and how they're best delivered (and crammed into "the greatest vitamin in the world", they ain't!): http://www.vitacost.com/science/hn/Index/Supp.htm If you're gonna try to live in this world, you really ought to get yourself better informed. DustyB -- -= Remove CARBS to reply =- |
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"The Greatest Vitamin in the World" available NOW in the U.S. not a scam
"HealthNutz" wrote in message ... jas3777 wrote: Um, I think that this is at best a hype-job or at worst a scam. Absolutely incorrect on both counts. Did you thoroughly read the web site information? No. I said that I didn't. I wasn't going to go traipsing about in a website that dishes out credits to various "finders" (read: news group spammers) for directing folks to their site. That puts you just about "on-par" with all of the 'pecker-stretcher' or 'breast-enlargement' spams we all get every day. And if you ask those folks, they'll swear that their products work as well as you do yours... You must be a big proponent of the "shoot the messenger" theory, whereby a provider of a link to an important breakthrough in vitamin research is lumped together with sexual enhancement products. I would sooner accept your theories if they tackled the real issues of "The Greatest Vitamin in the World." There is verifiable data throughout the site complete with a list of references (JAMA among them) that support the findings of the team that worked on bringing the vitamin to market. Of course, the product's name is meant to attract attention (in addition to accurately describing itself). That's called sales. Would you complain about the Centrum and One-A-Day manufacturers if they released a product called "The Panacea to Everything that Ails You" if they had clinical tests to support their findings? What if their marketing strategy began on the internet with salespeople touting the benefits of their product? What if, by telling people about this product, these people earn a referral fee? Will you come to the conclusion that it's on par with penis enlargers? Buy the product, don't buy the product, it doesn't matter at all. You've made up your mind, let the facts be damned. |
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"The Greatest Vitamin in the World" available NOW in the U.S. **SCAM**
jas3777 wrote:
"HealthNutz" wrote in message ... .... You must be a big proponent of the "shoot the messenger" theory, No. Actually, I'm a proponent of the, "shoot the idiot," theory. whereby a provider of a link to an important breakthrough in vitamin research is lumped together with sexual enhancement products. There is *NO* such thing as an important breakthrough in vitamin research. Vitamins have been around for a long time. They are fairly well known. Their function is fairly well understood. And their sources are fairly well established. No new ones are likely to be found. And no new combination of vitamins or mineral supplements is going to yield a new and heretofore unheard of result. The "breakthrough" you're trumpeting is nothing more than packaging and marketing (read: HYPE!). Hardly anything to get excited about... I would sooner accept your theories if they tackled the real issues I did. You don't understand them or my factual posts to you stand in the face of what you're trying to do (spam & scam the newsgroup readership for profit). of "The Greatest Vitamin in the World." There is verifiable data throughout the site complete with a list of references (JAMA among them) that support the findings of the team that worked on bringing the vitamin to market. The "verifiable" part of the data is the names and contents of the vitamins. Your claims for them to be "the greatest vitamin in the world" is simply crap! Mouth motions. Empty promises. Nothing useful or valid. Of course, the product's name is meant to attract attention (in addition to accurately describing itself). That's called sales. Would No? Really? Damn, I guess I just don't understand guerilla marketing...NOT! There's no end to idiots and fools that are swayed by ads like yours. Why do you think they send out all those "pecker stretcher" ads? CUZ THEY WORK ON THE FEEBLE MINDED! you complain about the Centrum and One-A-Day manufacturers if they released a product called "The Panacea to Everything that Ails You" Absolutely. Cuz there's such a thing as a "One-a-day", there's no such thing as "the panacea to everything that ails you" (aka. "the greatest vitamin in the world"). PERIOD! The only thing you can control is content and quantity. ANYONE can do that with any combination of useful supplements. Once that's done, that material ingested would be "the greatest vitamin in the world", sans hype of course. Then, since then there would be TWO, both can't be the greatest. So, that means one, by definition, is a LIE. And that my misguided friend, would be you and yours... if they had clinical tests to support their findings? What if their You can find "clinical tests" to support most anything. So what. Read all about how "low-fat" and "hi-carb" is the best diet in the world. Words to lull the simple into compliance. They're not gonna get far in this group... marketing strategy began on the internet with salespeople touting the benefits of their product? What if, by telling people about this Anytime somebody hypes a product across multiple news groups for a fee, it's SPAM and almost always introduces a SCAM! product, these people earn a referral fee? Will you come to the conclusion that it's on par with penis enlargers? No. They're both simple scams to net the unwary. BE GONE WITH YA! Buy the product, don't buy the product, it doesn't matter at all. You've made up your mind, let the facts be damned. No my simple minded shill, it's you that lets the facts become a damning factor. The fact is, you do this for a fee. You're ignorant of the facts (about medicine and vitamins). And you're nothing but another news group spammer! BE GONE WITH YA! DustyB -- -= Remove CARBS to reply =- |
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