"SuperMarket Me" - A documentary on my health problems from eating supermarket food

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"Julianne" wrote in message
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Your parody, while most amusing, addresses individuals making choices
and
being accountable. Unless, of course, it isn't a parody and you are
really
considering becoming a woman. Now, that would make a really
interesting
documentary.

j

I am not considering becoming a woman. However, if I had breasts I'd
never have to leave my house.

And btw, to your point- it's not a statement about fast food or eating
habits, in general, it's a statement about/against mcdonalds,
specifically. It's titled "Supersize Me". The guy only ate at
mcdonalds. This is targeted, unfairly so. (Mcdonald's fatty food
isn't even the worst- taco bell is.) I posted all about it here, if
you ca http://tinyurl.com/2kkga


I never thought I would see the day when McDonald's becomes the baby harp
seal tugging at the public's heartstrings.


I can see it now. Gangs of schoolchildren throwing rocks at Ronald
McDonald.

sounds ok to me.



--
Saerah

TANSTAAFL

Hangovers only last a day, but a good drinking story lives on forever....

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"Julianne" wrote in message

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Your parody, while most amusing, addresses individuals making choices

and

being accountable. Unless, of course, it isn't a parody and you are

really

considering becoming a woman. Now, that would make a really

interesting

documentary.

j

I am not considering becoming a woman. However, if I had breasts I'd
never have to leave my house.

And btw, to your point- it's not a statement about fast food or eating
habits, in general, it's a statement about/against mcdonalds,
specifically. It's titled "Supersize Me". The guy only ate at
mcdonalds. This is targeted, unfairly so. (Mcdonald's fatty food
isn't even the worst- taco bell is.) I posted all about it here, if
you ca http://tinyurl.com/2kkga


I never thought I would see the day when McDonald's becomes the baby harp
seal tugging at the public's heartstrings.



I can see it now. Gangs of schoolchildren throwing rocks at Ronald McDonald.

Hmmmm ... pre-tenderized baby seal burgers ... the next new thing?

Steve Wertz writes:

Whatsamatta Geoff - Lobotomy? Shock treatments? Body snatchers?


Excuse me? Do you disagree with my explanation of trolling, or
perhaps object to my presence in one of the above newsgroups?
What, specifically, is your beef?



Geoff

--
"Had Chinese food in Berlin once. An hour later,
I was hungry for power." -- Alan Gore

Julianne writes:

Drunk driving is not new but years ago, it was largely overlooked
until awareness of the dangers became a national passion.

It moved into the public spotlight as part of the Nancy Reagan-
sponsored "Just Say No" moral panic and scolding puritanism of
the time. If you remember the early 80s, the news media were
positively obsessed with fanning the flames of public fear over
two issues: drunk driving and child molestation. Remember the
McMartin Preschool hoax, and more to the point, how long it took
for it to be _exposed_ as one?

(You know what a McMartin Sandwich is, don't you? It's a big
piece of meat between two little buns.)


Cigarette smoking was acceptable until public awareness increased
about the dangers.

Correction: it was acceptable until society at large became ****y
enough that people felt at liberty to bitch about things that
they'd accepted for decades. The whole "secondhand smoke" thing
is nothing but a way for people who simply hate the smell of
tobacco to couch their protestations in more compelling terms.
They know that if they simply said, "Ewwww, that smells icky,
please put it out," they be dismissed out of hand.

If cigarette smoke is so toxic that even secondhand exposure
to it is a health hazard, consider the level of concentration
of the smoke that people inhale directly from their cigarettes.
Why, it'd be so insanely toxic that smokers would all drop dead
right where they stood, after a single puff!



Geoff

--
"Had Chinese food in Berlin once. An hour later,
I was hungry for power." -- Alan Gore

"Geoff Miller" wrote in message
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Julianne writes:

Drunk driving is not new but years ago, it was largely overlooked
until awareness of the dangers became a national passion.

It moved into the public spotlight as part of the Nancy Reagan-
sponsored "Just Say No" moral panic and scolding puritanism of
the time. If you remember the early 80s, the news media were
positively obsessed with fanning the flames of public fear over
two issues: drunk driving and child molestation. Remember the
McMartin Preschool hoax, and more to the point, how long it took
for it to be _exposed_ as one?

I agree that the public morality took things to extremes with both drunk
driving and child molestation. What concerns me now is the push to lower
the legal limit from 1.0 to 0.8 for DWI. I'm not saying it is a bad idea
but I have yet to find compelling evidence that accidents happen in the
0.8 - 1.0 range that are directly related to alcohol. As a smallish woman,
I would almost bet that two glasses of wine after work would make me illegal
to drive. On the other hand, everyday I read in the newspaper about people
getting their 4th and 5th DWI. Maybe we should concentrate on the drunk
drivers who cause accidents rather than those who drink responsibly. I
guess MADD controls a lot of votes.

Society in general learned a lot from the McMartin case. While it is true
that children are not inherently dishonest, it is a fact that small children
will try desperately to please adults. They can be led and they are
convicted in their beliefs once they are planted.

Having said both things, drunk driving (a national past time to which I lost
two brothers in one night) and child abuse needed to come into public
awareness. Cases like the McMartin case also needed to come out so that we
as a society could see the powers that we invest in Prosecuting Attornies.
There is a sane, in between path to follow and generally speaking, it is the
one that involves an individual doing the right thing vs trying to sway
public opinion.

(You know what a McMartin Sandwich is, don't you? It's a big
piece of meat between two little buns.)

Okay, that's gross. Funny, perhaps, Zone Perfect, maybe, but gross.


Cigarette smoking was acceptable until public awareness increased
about the dangers.

Correction: it was acceptable until society at large became ****y
enough that people felt at liberty to bitch about things that
they'd accepted for decades. The whole "secondhand smoke" thing
is nothing but a way for people who simply hate the smell of
tobacco to couch their protestations in more compelling terms.
They know that if they simply said, "Ewwww, that smells icky,
please put it out," they be dismissed out of hand.

I am waiting for the end result of this uprising. As someone who enjoys a
ciggarette with wine and beer, it was odd for me to go to California after
they banned smoking in all public places. My pre-dinner cocktail was
without a ciggarette and frankly, because I was in a smoke free environment,
I didn't miss it. I wonder, if in a few years, CA will be able to celebrate
a lower Cancer incidence. If so, it is a good thing. If not, screw it.

If cigarette smoke is so toxic that even secondhand exposure
to it is a health hazard, consider the level of concentration
of the smoke that people inhale directly from their cigarettes.
Why, it'd be so insanely toxic that smokers would all drop dead
right where they stood, after a single puff!


You are right in that there are no conclusive studies demonstrating the
effects of second hand smoke on healthy adults. I would be leery about
smoking in the presence of infants who have very soft tracheas and can
easily spasm if presented with noxious stimuli. As far as I am concerned,
seperate seating for smoking and none smoking and adequate ventillation
should be fine for both smokers and non-smokers. If I had an infant, I
might look for a smoke free restaurant but it shouldn't be mandated by some
law.

Awareness is good. Crusades, driven by passion a la Jane Fonda and others
who embrace the cause of the week, are seldom beneficial except on a most
superficial level.

Nice post.

j

Geoff

--
"Had Chinese food in Berlin once. An hour later,
I was hungry for power." -- Alan Gore

Julianne wrote:

Having said both things, drunk driving (a national past time to which I lost
two brothers in one night)

Julianne, that's horrible! (You said it so flippantly, like you had
brothers to spare, that I almost missed it.) I'm so sorry your family
had to go through this. Was it very long ago?

I lost two cousins to drunk driving when we were children. One was
killed instantly, the other was severely brain-damaged and is still
alive... but the person he was is gone. The drunk-driver, my Aunt's
ex-husband (their father) got a broken knee. Life sucks sometimes.

Dally

Julianne wrote:

I agree that the public morality took things to extremes with both drunk
driving and child molestation. What concerns me now is the push to lower
the legal limit from 1.0 to 0.8 for DWI. I'm not saying it is a bad idea
but I have yet to find compelling evidence that accidents happen in the
0.8 - 1.0 range that are directly related to alcohol.

It's gotten to be too extreme. You're right, if I have 2 glasses of
wine even over say 3 hours, I bet I'm legally drunk now. I promise
I would not be even remotely a danger to any other motorist or
pedestrian. None. Just a criminal.
I
I guess MADD controls a lot of votes.

And I would be surprised if most MADD members never drove over .08.

Society in general learned a lot from the McMartin case. While it is true
that children are not inherently dishonest, it is a fact that small children
will try desperately to please adults. They can be led and they are
convicted in their beliefs once they are planted.

That was a terrible thing. And that wasn't the only case, as I'm
sure you know. How many lives ruined by hysterical people.

Having said both things, drunk driving (a national past time to which I lost
two brothers in one night)

I cannot believe that happened to you, I'm so sorry. Like saying I'm
sorry helps, but, wow.

nancy

Thanks, Wendy. Even though it has been over twenty years, I still
appreciate the kind words of others where my brothers are concerned.

When I was 19, my 17 year old brother and my 21 year old brother died in a
drunk driving accident. There were only the three of use coming up and I
was suddenly left all alone. Because we lived overseas during much of my
teenage years and moved frequently, I was unusually close to my brothers.
It was painful.

About six years after they died, my son was born. He is named Brian Michael
after both of my brothers in the Jewish tradition in naming babies to
perpetuate the dead. It was when Brian was born that real healing began.
As Carl Sandberg said, "A baby is God's opinion that the world should go
on."

It was also after my son was born that I began to have an appreciation for
what my parents went through. They are still so very much in love. Now, I
understand how challenged they were.

Life does suck sometimes. After having been a nurse for so many years, I
can honestly say I would rather lose a loved one to death rather than a
persistive vegetative state like your cousin. And yet, every morning I wake
up with the belief that I can make my life better.

Was it Nietzsche who said, "That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger"?

Thank you again for your kind words. No, I do not have brothers to spare.
The hole in my life that my only two siblings left when they died is still
there. I visit with them in my dreams. I see them in my son who is their
namesake although I was adopted and there is no genetic link. It was my big
brother who taught me how to write and my little brother who taught me how
to be social. Both of those lessons keep me afloat today.

I feel good remembering them.

j


"Dally" wrote in message
...
Julianne wrote:

Having said both things, drunk driving (a national past time to which I
lost
two brothers in one night)

Julianne, that's horrible! (You said it so flippantly, like you had
brothers to spare, that I almost missed it.) I'm so sorry your family
had to go through this. Was it very long ago?

I lost two cousins to drunk driving when we were children. One was
killed instantly, the other was severely brain-damaged and is still
alive... but the person he was is gone. The drunk-driver, my Aunt's
ex-husband (their father) got a broken knee. Life sucks sometimes.

Dally

(Geoff Miller) wrote in message ...
awareness increased
If cigarette smoke is so toxic that even secondhand exposure
to it is a health hazard, consider the level of concentration
of the smoke that people inhale directly from their cigarettes.
Why, it'd be so insanely toxic that smokers would all drop dead
right where they stood, after a single puff!

Musicians often have to play in bars. Bars are (used to be, at the
time you're discussing) very smoky. I mean. VERY SMOKEY. If you're a
jazz musician who doesn't smoke (yes, that exists), you'll have damn
near all the problems of a smoker anyway. I should be allowed to be a
musician without being a smoker. Other people's idiotic addiction
shouldn't be making me a smoker.

You should be allowed suicide too, since life makes you so uncomfortable.

And oh BTW. Get a real job asshole.

--
JC

"mrbog" wrote in message
om...
(Geoff Miller) wrote in message
...
awareness increased
If cigarette smoke is so toxic that even secondhand exposure
to it is a health hazard, consider the level of concentration
of the smoke that people inhale directly from their cigarettes.
Why, it'd be so insanely toxic that smokers would all drop dead
right where they stood, after a single puff!

Musicians often have to play in bars. Bars are (used to be, at the
time you're discussing) very smoky. I mean. VERY SMOKEY. If you're a
jazz musician who doesn't smoke (yes, that exists), you'll have damn
near all the problems of a smoker anyway. I should be allowed to be a
musician without being a smoker. Other people's idiotic addiction
shouldn't be making me a smoker.