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Are there successful Core losers out there?
I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I am
really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going forward. Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize that dieting is not "one size fits all." When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or chicken. Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your cravings under control. And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back to Atkins, with maybe less variety... What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people (like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept it off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical. I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core. Thanks, doug |
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Are there successful Core losers out there?
I notice that WW has one of their free online trials again, so I
signed up just to see what might have changed, and if they improved from my previous online experience. I notice that they are calling it the "Momentum Plan" now. I've been assigned 37 daily points and 35 weekly points. If the points calculator is still the way it used to be, that comes to approximately 1850 daily calories plus 1750 weekly calories. Did they get rid of Core altogether? There doesn't seem to be a mention of it after signing up for the online plan. Ah, I see. They call it "Simply Filling" and modified the "Core List." doug |
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Are there successful Core losers out there?
good luck, read every article you can the more you understand the better it
seems to work, Lee "douglerner" wrote in message ... I notice that WW has one of their free online trials again, so I signed up just to see what might have changed, and if they improved from my previous online experience. I notice that they are calling it the "Momentum Plan" now. I've been assigned 37 daily points and 35 weekly points. If the points calculator is still the way it used to be, that comes to approximately 1850 daily calories plus 1750 weekly calories. Did they get rid of Core altogether? There doesn't seem to be a mention of it after signing up for the online plan. Ah, I see. They call it "Simply Filling" and modified the "Core List." doug |
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Are there successful Core losers out there?
"doug lerner" wrote in message ... I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I am really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going forward. Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize that dieting is not "one size fits all." When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or chicken. Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your cravings under control. And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back to Atkins, with maybe less variety... What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people (like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept it off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical. I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core. Thanks, doug There are success stories on the WW site about successful Core losers. As I read core, there are a number of rules about some of the categories of food. One still has to watch portion size for example. Really paying attention to the satisfaction level is key as well. You have to stop long before stuffed, long before full. You stop at "satisfied", which is basically at the point where you are no longer hungry. Since there is a time delay getting signals to the brain, it's necessary to eat slowly. Core users are advised to "stop and assess" half way through. I.e. stop eating, decide if you are actually still hungry or not, then stop if you are no longer hungry. It has worked for many but takes a different type of mindset. You have to have the strength to avoid emotional eating but eat only for actual physical hunger not emotional hunger. |
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Are there successful Core losers out there?
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "doug lerner" wrote in message ... I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I am really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going forward. Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize that dieting is not "one size fits all." When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or chicken. Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your cravings under control. And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back to Atkins, with maybe less variety... What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people (like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept it off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical. I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core. Thanks, doug There are success stories on the WW site about successful Core losers. As I read core, there are a number of rules about some of the categories of food. One still has to watch portion size for example. Really paying attention to the satisfaction level is key as well. You have to stop long before stuffed, long before full. You stop at "satisfied", which is basically at the point where you are no longer hungry. Since there is a time delay getting signals to the brain, it's necessary to eat slowly. Core users are advised to "stop and assess" half way through. I.e. stop eating, decide if you are actually still hungry or not, then stop if you are no longer hungry. It has worked for many but takes a different type of mindset. You have to have the strength to avoid emotional eating but eat only for actual physical hunger not emotional hunger. Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take for sustenance rather than something we lust after for satisfaction. It should NOT involve slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW members in this NG who constantly post recipes here and dream about what they will eat tomorrow - in other words, who perpetuate their love of food - simply don't understand this fundamental point and will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food is no different from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it. |
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Ron wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "doug lerner" wrote in message ... I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I am really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going forward. Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize that dieting is not "one size fits all." When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or chicken. Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your cravings under control. And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back to Atkins, with maybe less variety... What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people (like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept it off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical. I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core. Thanks, doug There are success stories on the WW site about successful Core losers. As I read core, there are a number of rules about some of the categories of food. One still has to watch portion size for example. Really paying attention to the satisfaction level is key as well. You have to stop long before stuffed, long before full. You stop at "satisfied", which is basically at the point where you are no longer hungry. Since there is a time delay getting signals to the brain, it's necessary to eat slowly. Core users are advised to "stop and assess" half way through. I.e. stop eating, decide if you are actually still hungry or not, then stop if you are no longer hungry. It has worked for many but takes a different type of mindset. You have to have the strength to avoid emotional eating but eat only for actual physical hunger not emotional hunger. Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take for sustenance rather than something we lust after for satisfaction. It should NOT involve slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW members in this NG who constantly post recipes here and dream about what they will eat tomorrow - in other words, who perpetuate their love of food - simply don't understand this fundamental point and will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food is no different from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it. I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired calorie intake. There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and friends and to enjoy! |
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Are there successful Core losers out there?
"Stephanie" wrote in message ... Ron wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take for sustenance rather than something we lust after for satisfaction. It should NOT involve slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW members in this NG who constantly post recipes here and dream about what they will eat tomorrow - in other words, who perpetuate their love of food - simply don't understand this fundamental point and will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food is no different from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it. I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired calorie intake. There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and friends and to enjoy! AMEN! Might I add that before I learned to eat healthy I did not enjoy food, I just shoveled in whatever I had on hand. I could not cook, I didn't know about what's good what isn't, the only spices I knew about were salt and pepper. I've educated myself, not only about healthy foods, but about tasty foods, fresh veggies and fruits, spices and condiments that make the foods I eat enjoyable without adding tons of fats to it. Now everything I eat has to be worth it, health wise, taste wise. I eat about 1/3 (if not less) of the food I used to eat, but I enjoy every single bite of it. That's why I'm satisfied with eating so much less, because it's enjoyable. I don't have to keep eating in the hope that the next bite is going to be better, it's all good! I also eat all sorts of foods, carbs, proteins, sweets, whatever. Some of them in moderation, but there are no banned foods. I love brownies, I have one every once in a while. If I had a store bought brownie every day, it wouldn't taste that great, but a good fresh bakery baked brownie every few weeks tastes heavenly! Food is not the enemy, I love food, I love eating, I lost 70 lbs in 2002-2003 and have been maintaining since. Will~ |
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Willow Herself wrote:
"Stephanie" wrote in message ... Ron wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take for sustenance rather than something we lust after for satisfaction. It should NOT involve slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW members in this NG who constantly post recipes here and dream about what they will eat tomorrow - in other words, who perpetuate their love of food - simply don't understand this fundamental point and will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food is no different from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it. I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired calorie intake. There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and friends and to enjoy! AMEN! Might I add that before I learned to eat healthy I did not enjoy food, I just shoveled in whatever I had on hand. I could not cook, I didn't know about what's good what isn't, the only spices I knew about were salt and pepper. The most convenient food is often the least good for you. I've educated myself, not only about healthy foods, but about tasty foods, fresh veggies and fruits, spices and condiments that make the foods I eat enjoyable without adding tons of fats to it. Indian pulses om nom nom. Now everything I eat has to be worth it, health wise, taste wise. I eat about 1/3 (if not less) of the food I used to eat, but I enjoy every single bite of it. That's why I'm satisfied with eating so much less, because it's enjoyable. I don't have to keep eating in the hope that the next bite is going to be better, it's all good! I also eat all sorts of foods, carbs, proteins, sweets, whatever. I am an enigma there. I don't care enough about sweets to worry about it. But I DO enjoy my bread and potato every now and again. Some of them in moderation, but there are no banned foods. I love brownies, I have one every once in a while. If I had a store bought brownie every day, it wouldn't taste that great, but a good fresh bakery baked brownie every few weeks tastes heavenly! Food is not the enemy, I love food, I love eating, I lost 70 lbs in 2002-2003 and have been maintaining since. I lost ... I can't remember. Size 16 to size 6 a few years ago. I am maintaining, kinda. I went up a couple of pounds. Back to journalling to reset myself... As I drink my tastey rosemary veggie soup. Will~ |
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I just realized, this logic would say that sex was only for procreation, I
THINK NOT, Lee "Willow Herself" wrote in message ... "Stephanie" wrote in message ... Ron wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take for sustenance rather than something we lust after for satisfaction. It should NOT involve slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW members in this NG who constantly post recipes here and dream about what they will eat tomorrow - in other words, who perpetuate their love of food - simply don't understand this fundamental point and will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food is no different from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it. I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired calorie intake. There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and friends and to enjoy! AMEN! Might I add that before I learned to eat healthy I did not enjoy food, I just shoveled in whatever I had on hand. I could not cook, I didn't know about what's good what isn't, the only spices I knew about were salt and pepper. I've educated myself, not only about healthy foods, but about tasty foods, fresh veggies and fruits, spices and condiments that make the foods I eat enjoyable without adding tons of fats to it. Now everything I eat has to be worth it, health wise, taste wise. I eat about 1/3 (if not less) of the food I used to eat, but I enjoy every single bite of it. That's why I'm satisfied with eating so much less, because it's enjoyable. I don't have to keep eating in the hope that the next bite is going to be better, it's all good! I also eat all sorts of foods, carbs, proteins, sweets, whatever. Some of them in moderation, but there are no banned foods. I love brownies, I have one every once in a while. If I had a store bought brownie every day, it wouldn't taste that great, but a good fresh bakery baked brownie every few weeks tastes heavenly! Food is not the enemy, I love food, I love eating, I lost 70 lbs in 2002-2003 and have been maintaining since. Will~ |
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"Stephanie" wrote in message ... [snip] I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired calorie intake. There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and friends and to enjoy! Yes there is nothing wrong with researching recipes and making food that is a delight to the eye and palate. That can be quite a satisfying hobby. BUT that does not mean a person can or should eat every last bite. Eat simply was is need for sustenance and save the rest for another meal or day. Share with other people. Many of the WW recipes are a joy to the palate but that is no excuse to eat too much. |
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