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Old April 5th, 2008, 05:28 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Cubit
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I got my annual questionnaire from them last week. This year I noted that
there were a couple of questions that mentioned low carb. Low carb ice
cream was in a question. So, while they obviously still have a bias toward
low fat, they seem to have opened the door a crack to alternative
possibilities.

Each year they ask what I weighed a year before. That is probably a tough
question for most people. I have my Fitday database to look up what it
actually was, but most people don't have that.

There is an odd shift in two directions for low carb.

1.
Here in the US, it seems to be increasingly an odd thing to do. The social
consequences are not good. I don't get invited to potluck parties by
friends anymore. Last night I was at a Chinese restaurant with 5 friends.
I rejected two different noodle dishes, the rice, and the fortune cookie.
However, I cheated with a triangle of Chinese pancake, which was sort of
like an oily cracker. My friends jokingly took me to task for this. I just
said I was guilty of cheating, but I felt foolish. The food was probably
made from flour. I can rationalize that it was probably 10 or 20 carbs on a
day where I had nearly zero carbs to that point, but it is still a
rationalization. Temptation had got the better of me. The part of the
dinner I did eat was Orange Peel Beef, General's Chicken, and Sichuan
Prawns.

2.
Outside the US, there are indications that legitimate medical authorities
are accepting low carb. From what I have read this is happening in Poland
and Sweden. It is noteworthy that some statin drugs recently had some
trouble in the press. I'm hoping it is a sign of things to come.

Once most people in the US can go to the doctor and get a lecture telling
them to eat low carb and get lots of cholesterol, I think the US food
customs will shift. I really think this is coming, but it may take Years.

I'm seeing a lot more spam in ASDLC. I recently changed ISPs and, thus, my
USENET server. I'm not sure if the new newsgroup server has broader
connectivity to spam, or if everyone is seeing all this crap.

I'm about 2 3/4 years into maintenance. The first year, or so, was a
challenge. I had great concerns about being able to maintain. Now, I've
reached a point where I have my maintenance system worked out. I'm not
worried about maintenance anymore. I've got this thing down.

Cubit
320/155/160


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Old April 6th, 2008, 04:31 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Tom G.
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"Cubit" wrote in message
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I got my annual questionnaire from them last week. This year I noted that
there were a couple of questions that mentioned low carb. Low carb ice
cream was in a question. So, while they obviously still have a bias toward
low fat, they seem to have opened the door a crack to alternative
possibilities.

Each year they ask what I weighed a year before. That is probably a tough
question for most people. I have my Fitday database to look up what it
actually was, but most people don't have that.

There is an odd shift in two directions for low carb.

1.
Here in the US, it seems to be increasingly an odd thing to do. The
social consequences are not good. I don't get invited to potluck parties
by friends anymore. Last night I was at a Chinese restaurant with 5
friends. I rejected two different noodle dishes, the rice, and the fortune
cookie. However, I cheated with a triangle of Chinese pancake, which was
sort of like an oily cracker. My friends jokingly took me to task for
this. I just said I was guilty of cheating, but I felt foolish. The food
was probably made from flour. I can rationalize that it was probably 10
or 20 carbs on a day where I had nearly zero carbs to that point, but it
is still a rationalization. Temptation had got the better of me. The
part of the dinner I did eat was Orange Peel Beef, General's Chicken, and
Sichuan Prawns.


Yeah, it seems like people will concentrate on the single carby item you
had, yet minimalize the 160 lbs you lost following a low carb WOE. Even
though you may have had 1/10th the amount of carbs they had, it is still
pointed out. What can you do? It isn't widely accepted.


2.
Outside the US, there are indications that legitimate medical authorities
are accepting low carb. From what I have read this is happening in Poland
and Sweden. It is noteworthy that some statin drugs recently had some
trouble in the press. I'm hoping it is a sign of things to come.


I caught that on the news 2 days ago. There didn't seem to be much
evidence that statins reduced heart disease. The newer drugs weren't much
better.



Once most people in the US can go to the doctor and get a lecture telling
them to eat low carb and get lots of cholesterol, I think the US food
customs will shift. I really think this is coming, but it may take Years.


Well, it's possible that low carb may be more accepted by Doctors in
future. What I have found though, is that people really don't want to give
up their sweets and junk food.
I just found out a co-worker had a chunk of bowel removed due to Crohn's.
I suggested that a Specific Carbohydrate Diet, or even just a low carb plan
may help. His response was that, he read about it, but it was too
complicated and limiting. He's going to stick to the pills that reduce
inflammation. On the other hand, there is a different co-worker that is
trying to manage through diet. He figures that anything is better than
losing more bowel.
I believe that it doesn't seem to matter what disease we're talking about.
Most people don't, or can't make the needed changes. So, I don't think it's
entirely the Doctor's fault for pushing pills. It may be the only tool they
have to help people. It is important though, that people have the right
information to make that choice.


I'm seeing a lot more spam in ASDLC. I recently changed ISPs and, thus,
my USENET server. I'm not sure if the new newsgroup server has broader
connectivity to spam, or if everyone is seeing all this crap.


The spam has increased quite a bit. I don't think it's just your
provider.



I'm about 2 3/4 years into maintenance. The first year, or so, was a
challenge. I had great concerns about being able to maintain. Now, I've
reached a point where I have my maintenance system worked out. I'm not
worried about maintenance anymore. I've got this thing down.



That is a great accomplishment. Keep it up.





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Old April 6th, 2008, 11:13 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Roger Zoul
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"Cubit" wrote
I got my annual questionnaire from them last week. This year I noted that
there were a couple of questions that mentioned low carb. Low carb ice
cream was in a question. So, while they obviously still have a bias toward
low fat, they seem to have opened the door a crack to alternative
possibilities.


What was the question? It seems a little bit odd to ask a question about LC
ice cream with no other reference.

Each year they ask what I weighed a year before. That is probably a tough
question for most people. I have my Fitday database to look up what it
actually was, but most people don't have that.

There is an odd shift in two directions for low carb.

1.
Here in the US, it seems to be increasingly an odd thing to do. The
social consequences are not good. I don't get invited to potluck parties
by friends anymore. Last night I was at a Chinese restaurant with 5
friends. I rejected two different noodle dishes, the rice, and the fortune
cookie. However, I cheated with a triangle of Chinese pancake, which was
sort of like an oily cracker. My friends jokingly took me to task for
this. I just said I was guilty of cheating, but I felt foolish. The food
was probably made from flour. I can rationalize that it was probably 10
or 20 carbs on a day where I had nearly zero carbs to that point, but it
is still a rationalization. Temptation had got the better of me. The
part of the dinner I did eat was Orange Peel Beef, General's Chicken, and
Sichuan Prawns.


10 or 20 carbs vs 400? Seems like good logic to me. Maybe I didn't
understand you.

2.
Outside the US, there are indications that legitimate medical authorities
are accepting low carb. From what I have read this is happening in Poland
and Sweden. It is noteworthy that some statin drugs recently had some
trouble in the press. I'm hoping it is a sign of things to come.


If you say low carb to a medical professional, they think no carb. If you
say controlled carb or restricted carbs, they don't get a mental block. I
think the real problem is that a lot of their patients really do try to eat
"no carb" and are clueless about low carb. Of course, so are the doctors
(mostly). But they give you more credit if you don't say low carb or Atkins
(which they think means 20 g a day).


Once most people in the US can go to the doctor and get a lecture telling
them to eat low carb and get lots of cholesterol, I think the US food
customs will shift. I really think this is coming, but it may take Years.

I'm seeing a lot more spam in ASDLC. I recently changed ISPs and, thus,
my USENET server. I'm not sure if the new newsgroup server has broader
connectivity to spam, or if everyone is seeing all this crap.

I'm about 2 3/4 years into maintenance. The first year, or so, was a
challenge. I had great concerns about being able to maintain. Now, I've
reached a point where I have my maintenance system worked out. I'm not
worried about maintenance anymore. I've got this thing down.


Congrats. But don't get too cocky.


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Old April 6th, 2008, 02:56 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
RRzVRR
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Cubit wrote:
I got my annual questionnaire from them last week. This year I noted that
there were a couple of questions that mentioned low carb. Low carb ice
cream was in a question. So, while they obviously still have a bias toward
low fat, they seem to have opened the door a crack to alternative
possibilities.


Maybe I shouldn't have written them off a few years ago, or
maybe they more people like me complained about their bias.

Outside the US, there are indications that legitimate medical authorities
are accepting low carb. From what I have read this is happening in Poland
and Sweden. It is noteworthy that some statin drugs recently had some
trouble in the press. I'm hoping it is a sign of things to come.


Its been a little frustrating reading/watching/listening to
the news on Vytorin. The chain of logic starts but doesn't
come full circle... "While Vytorin reduced levels of LDL, or
bad cholesterol, it had little effect on the buildup of
plaque in the arteries, a harbinger of heart attack and
stroke." And, while other statins that lower LDL also seem
to lower inflammation have shown to have an effect of
lowered death rates, ... Therefore...???

I'm seeing a lot more spam in ASDLC. I recently changed ISPs and, thus, my
USENET server. I'm not sure if the new newsgroup server has broader
connectivity to spam, or if everyone is seeing all this crap.


There is a lot more spam as of late. Plus a lot of
oldtimers (like myself) are either too busy or don't have
much to write about at the moment. That leaves the Ng a
little barren.

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Old April 8th, 2008, 02:15 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Becca[_2_]
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Cubit wrote:

I'm about 2 3/4 years into maintenance. The first year, or so, was a
challenge. I had great concerns about being able to maintain. Now, I've
reached a point where I have my maintenance system worked out. I'm not
worried about maintenance anymore. I've got this thing down.

Cubit
320/155/160


Thanks for being an inspiration. You rock!

Becca
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Old April 8th, 2008, 09:19 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Aaron Baugher
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"Cubit" writes:

Here in the US, it seems to be increasingly an odd thing to do. The
social consequences are not good. I don't get invited to potluck
parties by friends anymore.


That's interesting. Do you think they were put off by the high-fat
foods you brought, or are they afraid you'll look down on them for what
they eat, or something else?

Outside the US, there are indications that legitimate medical
authorities are accepting low carb.


According to Taubes, a lot of work on the carbohydrate hypothesis of fat
metabolism was being done in Europe, especially in Germany, at the same
time that the fat/cholesterol beliefs were being developed in the USA.
WWII ended the research being done in Europe, and no one wanted to touch
anything German scientists had been working on after they'd been tainted
by association with Nazi eugenics (which were pretty popular in this
country too, but we've forgotten that).

So it wouldn't be too surprising if Europe were more open to low-carb.
The anti-fat myth didn't grow there in the first place, and they've
always had more appreciation for food.

Once most people in the US can go to the doctor and get a lecture
telling them to eat low carb and get lots of cholesterol, I think the
US food customs will shift. I really think this is coming, but it may
take Years.


A generation, at least. Doctors in school right now are still being
taught the evils of dietary fat and cholesterol as fact, and the amount
of money that flows into government and schools from the grain
processors is going to keep it that way. Individual doctors will have
to learn better on their own, for the foreseeable future.

I'm about 2 3/4 years into maintenance. The first year, or so, was a
challenge. I had great concerns about being able to maintain. Now,
I've reached a point where I have my maintenance system worked out.
I'm not worried about maintenance anymore. I've got this thing down.


Awesome!



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Old April 8th, 2008, 11:49 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Mark Filice
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In article , Cubit says...

Here in the US, it seems to be increasingly an odd thing to do. The social
consequences are not good. I don't get invited to potluck parties by
friends anymore. Last night I was at a Chinese restaurant with 5 friends.
I rejected two different noodle dishes, the rice, and the fortune cookie.
However, I cheated with a triangle of Chinese pancake, which was sort of
like an oily cracker. My friends jokingly took me to task for this. I just
said I was guilty of cheating, but I felt foolish.


I look at LCing differently. I remember going to the Chinese buffet prior to
LCing and eating:

Fried Won Tons - probably 5 or 6 of them
Fried Rice - probably 2 helpings
Chow Mien
2 Pork Buns
and much, much more....

I'd wash everything down with a Coke or two.

Now I'm more selective. If I feel like having rice or chow mien, I pick one and
have a couple of spoonfuls. I'll have 1 fried won ton. I'll eat the BBQ'd pork,
Kung Pao chicken, and Broccoli beef. I'll drink either iced or hot tea.

If someone were to question me, I tell them what I used to eat and compare it to
what I'm eating now. You aren't going to gain all your weight back "cheating" (I
really hate that word!) just once at a restaurant. Especially if you have been
LCing the rest of the day.

I keep drilling into myself that this LC thing is for the long haul. You are
proof of that--so don't let those folks grind you down!

Mark
280/220/200

 




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