The atkins diet ....

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 12:09:25 -0400, Rob wrote:

Pasta?
Not only have you cut carbs, you've cut a whole country's food from your
menu? Diet is for the rest of your life, right? No Italian for the
rest of your life? Get your hands on some whole wheat pasta and cook up
some old country favorites.

Nope. Never. Whole wheat pasta has the same effect for me -- it causes
my blood sugar to shoot through the roof.

Brown rice?
Add beans to the meal w/ brown rice and you've created a complete
protein without fat.

Sorry -- my favorite meal on low fat was brown rice with some type of
bean. This caused my blood sugar to go so high that I had to hang onto
something. This meal and pasta are the reasons I started low carb.

Fruit?
That and yogurt are some of the most nutrient rich simple carbs
available.

I eat yoghurt daily.

Flour?
If it was white, bleached flour, yeah give it up. Introduce wheat flour
(complex carb) and make pancakes, waffles and breads that are full of
nutrients, long term energy and a long term hunger buffer.

You're wrong. Wheat flour has the same effect on me as white flour: my
blood sugar skyrockets. You might be able to eat that crap, but I cannot.

Bob in CT wrote:

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:41:43 -0400, Rob Chesebrough
wrote:

Which "carby foods" have you given up? Were they mostly simple carbs?
Has your fat intake increased or decreased? Do you have more muscle
and less weight or simply just less weight?


Personally, I've given up pasta, brown rice, most fruits, flour,
potatos, etc.






--
Bob in CT
Remove ".x" to reply

If what you do works for you, fine, it doesn't work for all of us. Some of
us are unwilling to work that hard. I got tired of dieting and swore 20
years ago I would never diet again. However, when I read DANDR and Protein
Power I decided to experiment with what I was eating to see if it was true
that just dropping the carbs would result in weight loss. It was true, a
year+ later I weigh almost 55 pounds less and I feel better. You can't in
good conscience say that I am not better off than I was a year ago. I am 68
years old and sedentary. I like it that way, have some pain issues and am
not likely to become an exerciser. Sure that would be good for me, but I am
willing to live with the consequences. It's a matter of personal values.

I don't see low carb eating as a fad diet, just because something is popular
doesn't mean it has no value. I don't even see what I do as a "diet" in the
sense of a temporary program to lose weight. It's just a little switch in
the universe of foods that I eat regularly.


In ,
Rob Chesebrough stated
| First, thank you for spending a great deal of time with your reply.
|
| This being the internet, you never know whom you’re dealing with and
| whether they’re telling the truth or not. That being said, I’m 5’8”,
| 155 lbs and bounce between 10-12% body fat. My week is full of 4-5
| days
| of weight training, a beach volleyball league and a soccer league. I
| commute an hour to work on a sport motorcycle, weather permitting.
| The rest of the day I have the usual sit down office job. If you
| believe
| all I’ve said, you’ll understand that my body is lean and fairly
| calorie hungry. For having this body I am ridiculed by others for
| having a Tape worm, over-active thyroid, naturally skinny, don’t have
| to watch what I eat, don’t know what it’s like to be overweight, etc.
| I eat lean,
| portion controlled meals and exercise regularly. My personal
| sacrifices
| of time and food choices earned me this body and I’m tired of hearing
| that everyone else needs to work harder than I do to achieve the same
| result. This ridicule makes me a bit less sensitive to those that are
| overweight than I should be. Even less so to people on fad diets so I
| apologize if I’ve come across harsh.
|
| I eat very well, in my own opinion. I break down the 4 nutrients more
| than most. It is this breakdown that has conflicts with the low carb
| diets. Rather than limit the carbs category, I limit the simple carbs
| to fruit and yogurt. I eat the complex carbs like whole wheat flour,
| whole wheat pasta, brown rice and whole grain bread.
|
| I do not separate complete and incomplete proteins. Rather I eat a
| variety of vegetables and complex carbs which, when combined, form
| complete proteins. I further supplement my protein with fish,
| poultry, soy, whey and occasionally lean meat.
|
| I avoid saturated fats like meats, whole milk, cream & cheese and
| instead focus on monounsaturated fat oils like olive, peanut and
| canola. I only eat lean cuts of beef, substitute ground turkey or
| chicken into chopped or ground beef recipes and drink soy milk.
|
| The fourth nutrient is of course water, which I drink in moderation.
| I
| get plenty indirectly from fruits and vegetables so I only require a
| couple glasses each day.
|
| My “avoid if possible” list includes splenda, equal, sweet-n-low, high
| fructose corn syrup (HFC), butter, margarine and trans fats. HFC is
| the hardest to avoid while butter and margarine are easily
| substituted with
| ¾ TBS olive oil per 1 TBS.
|
| This is my diet. It doesn’t have phases and it doesn’t discard
| nutrient categories. It’s just getting the best sources or water,
| carbs, protein and fats available for the body and controlling the
| portion sizes. This, in my mind, is the key to a lean, muscular body
| with healthy internal organs and a clear circulatory system.
|
| Where do we disconnect?
|
| I don’t like diets with phases. Do it right from day one and refine
| it
| as time passes.
|
| Our meat should not be too lean about 2/3rds of the calories
| should be fat.
|
| Here’s a serious problem. 66% of what you’re eating is fat. You’re
| trying to lose fat, right? How do you lose it when you’re adding it
| in
| as 66% of your diet? Not only that, you’re saying get this fat from
| meat. Therefore, 66% saturated fat. I’d cut down this percentage to
| 25% fat and make sure the majority was monounsaturated and
| polyunsaturated instead of saturated.
|
| The high concentration of carbohydrates causes a spike in insulin
| because it is too easily digestable. When, the carbohydrates are
| used up, the body can't react in time to shut off the insulin. Now
| we get lower blood sugar than normal and it causes us to eat more
| because we feel hungrier. This up and down cycle causes us to over
| eat more than we should and the excess is deposited as fat.
|
| This can be easily avoided by substituting complex carbs. They take
| longer to digest and fuel the body for longer. Simple carbs is the
| catch all for junk food (cookies, cakes, candies, sodas, etc.)
| They’re high in calories and high in saturated fats. Limit the junk
| food
| instead of limiting the complex carbs. Even simple carbs aren’t all
| bad. Fruit and yogurt are very nutrient rich foods even if their
| easily digestable.
|
| Lastly, too much emphasis on weight loss. That old phrase that mom’s
| used, “you are what you eat” still holds true. 30 pounds of fat
| weighs
| the same as 30 pounds of muscle. The difference is body composition.
| Don’t worry about what you weigh, worry about what you look like in a
| mirror. If you just lose fat that skin is going to droop almost as
| bad
| as it does now. You need to stretch that skin across muscle if you
| want
| to look healthy. Weight means nothing if you don’t know what it’s
| made
| up of.
|
| Thank you for your time and good luck!
|
| Rob
|
| Tom wrote:
| After completing this, I see that I have gone on quite a bit too
| long. Sorry about that, but there were a lot of questions to answer.
|
| "Rob Chesebrough" wrote in message
| ...
| Yes, apparently I combined the two. Ketones are the backup source
| of energy for the body when glucose is not available. Once in the
| backup mode you’re in a state of ketosis not ketoacidosis. The
| body is starved for carbs, not food.
|
| Now can you help me understand the purpose of putting the body in
| the “back-up” mode for life? If it’s not going to be for life,
| why bother?
|
| Actually, I think we are basically built for eating meat, fruit,
| and whatever edible plants that can be found. The only primate that I
| know of that does not eat a lot of meat is the gorilla. All the rest
| eat bugs and small animals, as well as whatever they can steal from
| other predators. Meat is highly prized in the chimpanzee and baboon
| world. I didn't know that until I did some reading about primates to
| find out if we are classified as meat eaters, vegetarian, or
| omnivore. I believe we are omnivores capable of eating both meat and
| vegetation. A good survival mechanism. The problem with our present
| day diet is that most of the plants we grow for food do not grow that
| large or sweet in the wild. Along with the fact that we refine our
| grains so that they are too easily digestable. Long ago, people
| discovered that if they grew their own plants, it would be easier
| than walking for miles to find what you were looking for when meat
| was scarce, so agricultural societies developed. Without this event,
| we would have been largely nomadic and it would be difficult to build
| a society. So it was a good thing in the beginning. I just think we
| have too much high calorie food available now along with a more
| sedentary lifestyle. I don't think we were built to be able to get
| our calories so easily from plants. Yes, the body would prefer to
| burn the more efficient carbohydrates, but the foods we were meant to
| eat to get the carbohydrates are not as calorie dense as what we
| grow, and grains are nearly impossible to get to the starchy part
| without intervention by cracking, or cooking. Starchy vegetables and
| fruits only grow in season as well. So, to answer your question, I
| believe we are meant to eat meat and complex carbs, but definitely
| not the refined sugars, grains and large calorie rich vegetables,
| and that a state of ketosis was actually what our ancestors were in
| most of the time. Why not limit caloric intake? Why not give
| the body water, lean protein sources, complex carbohydrates and
| unsaturated fats? That’s what it wants to function at its best so
| treat it right. Why instead of all this would one put their body
| into its back-up mode of ketosis full time?
|
| It is tougher in modern society to limit calories because of the
| availability of food. High calorie carbohydrate foods overwhelm our
| bodies. With all that extra energy, the body is forced to deal with
| it some how. The high concentration of carbohydrates causes a spike
| in insulin because it is too easily digestable. When, the
| carbohydrates are used up, the body can't react in time to shut off
| the insulin. Now we get lower blood sugar than normal and it causes
| us to eat more because we feel hungrier. This up and down cycle
| causes us to over eat more than we should and the excess is deposited
| as fat. Water is of course the best thing we should be drinking.
| Our meat should not be too lean about 2/3rds of the calories
| should be fat.
|
|
| New studies are showing that high cholesterol is caused by eating
| too high carb of a diet. High blood sugar is damaging to the artery
| walls and the body makes extra cholesterol to repair the dammage.
| It's not the cholesterol and fat we eat that makes us overweight and
| unhealthy. So your right about the protein and complex carbohydrates,
| but the protein should not be lean. Fat is nessacary for our survival
| to make hormones and supply the energy our bodies were built to use.
| Carbohydrates happen to be more efficient, but so is alcohol, which
| is used up before carbohydrates. So I don't think that ketosis is the
| back-up mode. Carbs are the back-up mode for us. All of the prior
| studies on high fat, were also high carb. Researchers fed the
| subjects cake, ice cream, donuts, french fries, potatoes with butter
| etc. Then when cholesterol levels went up, they blamed it on the high
| fat intake. Now we better understand that high fat and high carb is a
| lethal combination. Our bodies are designed to eat fat with protein.
| If the researchers were to have given the subjects fatty meats, they
| would have found that cholesterol actually went down.
| Why let food manufacturers put new buzz words (Low Carb) on their
| labels to sell products loaded with calories but low in carbs? So
| people think they’ll lose weight by eating?
|
| I agree totally on this issue. I have not bought any of their
| products. The idea of lo-carb is to eat natural complex
| carbohydrates, which are fruits and vegetables in reasonable amounts.
| The products that they make are what a lot of people here consider to
| be fake or as we call them, frankenfoods. They are preying on people
| that want to eat low carb, but don't want to give up what they were
| eating before. Most of these products are in fact still to high in
| carbs for the proper way of eating this way. They use tricks with
| "net carbs" or "impact carbs" on the label. Sugar alcohols are widely
| used, but not consideres as a real carb, so are deducted from the
| total causing confusion. There is a lot of money involved with
| refined products so the manufactures want to keep their stuff on the
| shelves and seem to be willing to do anything to do so. Any of the
| other lo-carb products try to replace the carbs with low grade
| protein matter and the resulting food usually doesn't taste very
| good. It has given real low carbohydrate diets a bad name. The
| marketing of this stuff is just crazy right now. It's everywhere you
| go, and people are darn sick of all the hype. I believe the food
| industry doesn't care if we eat good food, just as long as it tastes
| great so they can sell it. If you have read any of the popular diet
| books, they speak endlessly about the evilness of high carb foods,
| but realize that some people are not willing to give up their
| favorite foods. Most of the people that I know that have tried the
| diet fail because they are not happy with eating meat and vegetables
| every day. They still want their pizzas, bread and pastas. I like the
| way I eat now. If I was eating before, like you say we should, I'm
| sure I would not have gotten overweight. But not enough emphysis was
| placed on eating carbs that are healthy. The indication I got as I
| was growing up was that any carbohydrates were good for you for
| energy. Only sugar was said to be bad. I never ate that much sweets,
| but always had potatoes, rice or pastas, and breads for most of my
| meals. Sorry this was so long, but I felt that you were truly
| interested in why people think it is a good diet, even if you do not
| want to follow it. I can understand the confusion because if anyone
| who hasn't done any research goes by what they see in the grocery
| aisles or what is said on the media, it seems like a bizzare fad
| diet, when in fact it is about eating unrefined carbohydrates and
| meats in their natural forms, and that doesn't sound bad to me at
| all. Not all lo-carbers eat those weird foods, but some believe it
| is neccessary that their are food choices available so they can stick
| with it. I just don’t get it.
|
| Hope this helps to understand that it is actually a good way to
| eat, but has been warped by food manufactures and the media to make
| money on it so it looks like just another fad diet. I don't get it
| either. Tom
|
| Rob
| 185/155/160
|
|
| Tom wrote:
|
| How else would you explain the body being in Ketosis? Does the
| body do this when it's fed normally? The point of the Induction
| Phase is limit carbs to get the body into Ketosis, right? Type
| “ketosis” into a google
| search, you’ll find your starvation proof. Ketosis is a body’s
| reaction
| to starvation. Fueling itself with ketones because it’s in
| trouble.
|
| Are you confusing ketoacidosis with ketosis? I've seen
| articles that call
| the cannibalization of body tissue due to diabetes as ketosis.
| This is ketoacidosis and is dangerous when you are a diabetic.
| Your body is not getting enough energy from the food you are
| eating because it can
| not be
| processed. Ketosis is different. It is the process that the body
| uses to
| break down it's own body fat. This is totally natural and is how
| the body
| uses it's own fat stores for energy. If there is an absence of
| carbohydrates, then the body is forced to use the next most
| efficient fuel,
| which is fat, and is called being in ketosis. If there is enough
| protein
| ingested, the body will not have to derive it from it's stores of
| protein,
| which is of course muscle tissue. Breaking down muscle tissue for
| energy
| is
| inefficient and is only done as a last resort. The body will
| only break down
| it's own tissue if there is a lack of protein in the diet. You
| can put your
| body into a state of ketoacidosis by not eating enough food. It
| would then
| be forced to take energy from fat and muscle tissue. Fat would of
| course
| be
| used for energy and what ever other functions, like making
| hormones or bile.
| Muscle tissue would be broken down for body repair and some for
| energy. You
| can live on a diet devoid of carbohydrates. The Inuit people are
| proof of
| that. But you must have protein and fat to survive. Again,
| ketoacidosis is
| starvation mode either by lack of food, or that the body can't
| process the
| food because of diabetes. Ketosis is the breaking down of the
| bodies own
| fat
| stores to provide energy and is a totally natural process. How
| else would we
| burn the fat off if not by ketosis. Even the traditional low
| calorie diets
| will produce some ketosis, but it won't be able to be measured
| on the keto
| sticks unless you eat to few calories, because your still
| burning some fat.
| Eating lo-carb is still low calorie, but you are not hungry all
| the time
| which is handy when your trying to lose weight.
| Tom
| 210/178/180
|
|
|

If what you do works for you, fine, it doesn't work for all of us. Some of
us are unwilling to work that hard. I got tired of dieting and swore 20
years ago I would never diet again. However, when I read DANDR and Protein
Power I decided to experiment with what I was eating to see if it was true
that just dropping the carbs would result in weight loss. It was true, a
year+ later I weigh almost 55 pounds less and I feel better. You can't in
good conscience say that I am not better off than I was a year ago. I am 68
years old and sedentary. I like it that way, have some pain issues and am
not likely to become an exerciser. Sure that would be good for me, but I am
willing to live with the consequences. It's a matter of personal values.

I don't see low carb eating as a fad diet, just because something is popular
doesn't mean it has no value. I don't even see what I do as a "diet" in the
sense of a temporary program to lose weight. It's just a little switch in
the universe of foods that I eat regularly.


In ,
Rob Chesebrough stated
| First, thank you for spending a great deal of time with your reply.
|
| This being the internet, you never know whom you’re dealing with and
| whether they’re telling the truth or not. That being said, I’m 5’8”,
| 155 lbs and bounce between 10-12% body fat. My week is full of 4-5
| days
| of weight training, a beach volleyball league and a soccer league. I
| commute an hour to work on a sport motorcycle, weather permitting.
| The rest of the day I have the usual sit down office job. If you
| believe
| all I’ve said, you’ll understand that my body is lean and fairly
| calorie hungry. For having this body I am ridiculed by others for
| having a Tape worm, over-active thyroid, naturally skinny, don’t have
| to watch what I eat, don’t know what it’s like to be overweight, etc.
| I eat lean,
| portion controlled meals and exercise regularly. My personal
| sacrifices
| of time and food choices earned me this body and I’m tired of hearing
| that everyone else needs to work harder than I do to achieve the same
| result. This ridicule makes me a bit less sensitive to those that are
| overweight than I should be. Even less so to people on fad diets so I
| apologize if I’ve come across harsh.
|
| I eat very well, in my own opinion. I break down the 4 nutrients more
| than most. It is this breakdown that has conflicts with the low carb
| diets. Rather than limit the carbs category, I limit the simple carbs
| to fruit and yogurt. I eat the complex carbs like whole wheat flour,
| whole wheat pasta, brown rice and whole grain bread.
|
| I do not separate complete and incomplete proteins. Rather I eat a
| variety of vegetables and complex carbs which, when combined, form
| complete proteins. I further supplement my protein with fish,
| poultry, soy, whey and occasionally lean meat.
|
| I avoid saturated fats like meats, whole milk, cream & cheese and
| instead focus on monounsaturated fat oils like olive, peanut and
| canola. I only eat lean cuts of beef, substitute ground turkey or
| chicken into chopped or ground beef recipes and drink soy milk.
|
| The fourth nutrient is of course water, which I drink in moderation.
| I
| get plenty indirectly from fruits and vegetables so I only require a
| couple glasses each day.
|
| My “avoid if possible” list includes splenda, equal, sweet-n-low, high
| fructose corn syrup (HFC), butter, margarine and trans fats. HFC is
| the hardest to avoid while butter and margarine are easily
| substituted with
| ¾ TBS olive oil per 1 TBS.
|
| This is my diet. It doesn’t have phases and it doesn’t discard
| nutrient categories. It’s just getting the best sources or water,
| carbs, protein and fats available for the body and controlling the
| portion sizes. This, in my mind, is the key to a lean, muscular body
| with healthy internal organs and a clear circulatory system.
|
| Where do we disconnect?
|
| I don’t like diets with phases. Do it right from day one and refine
| it
| as time passes.
|
| Our meat should not be too lean about 2/3rds of the calories
| should be fat.
|
| Here’s a serious problem. 66% of what you’re eating is fat. You’re
| trying to lose fat, right? How do you lose it when you’re adding it
| in
| as 66% of your diet? Not only that, you’re saying get this fat from
| meat. Therefore, 66% saturated fat. I’d cut down this percentage to
| 25% fat and make sure the majority was monounsaturated and
| polyunsaturated instead of saturated.
|
| The high concentration of carbohydrates causes a spike in insulin
| because it is too easily digestable. When, the carbohydrates are
| used up, the body can't react in time to shut off the insulin. Now
| we get lower blood sugar than normal and it causes us to eat more
| because we feel hungrier. This up and down cycle causes us to over
| eat more than we should and the excess is deposited as fat.
|
| This can be easily avoided by substituting complex carbs. They take
| longer to digest and fuel the body for longer. Simple carbs is the
| catch all for junk food (cookies, cakes, candies, sodas, etc.)
| They’re high in calories and high in saturated fats. Limit the junk
| food
| instead of limiting the complex carbs. Even simple carbs aren’t all
| bad. Fruit and yogurt are very nutrient rich foods even if their
| easily digestable.
|
| Lastly, too much emphasis on weight loss. That old phrase that mom’s
| used, “you are what you eat” still holds true. 30 pounds of fat
| weighs
| the same as 30 pounds of muscle. The difference is body composition.
| Don’t worry about what you weigh, worry about what you look like in a
| mirror. If you just lose fat that skin is going to droop almost as
| bad
| as it does now. You need to stretch that skin across muscle if you
| want
| to look healthy. Weight means nothing if you don’t know what it’s
| made
| up of.
|
| Thank you for your time and good luck!
|
| Rob
|
| Tom wrote:
| After completing this, I see that I have gone on quite a bit too
| long. Sorry about that, but there were a lot of questions to answer.
|
| "Rob Chesebrough" wrote in message
| ...
| Yes, apparently I combined the two. Ketones are the backup source
| of energy for the body when glucose is not available. Once in the
| backup mode you’re in a state of ketosis not ketoacidosis. The
| body is starved for carbs, not food.
|
| Now can you help me understand the purpose of putting the body in
| the “back-up” mode for life? If it’s not going to be for life,
| why bother?
|
| Actually, I think we are basically built for eating meat, fruit,
| and whatever edible plants that can be found. The only primate that I
| know of that does not eat a lot of meat is the gorilla. All the rest
| eat bugs and small animals, as well as whatever they can steal from
| other predators. Meat is highly prized in the chimpanzee and baboon
| world. I didn't know that until I did some reading about primates to
| find out if we are classified as meat eaters, vegetarian, or
| omnivore. I believe we are omnivores capable of eating both meat and
| vegetation. A good survival mechanism. The problem with our present
| day diet is that most of the plants we grow for food do not grow that
| large or sweet in the wild. Along with the fact that we refine our
| grains so that they are too easily digestable. Long ago, people
| discovered that if they grew their own plants, it would be easier
| than walking for miles to find what you were looking for when meat
| was scarce, so agricultural societies developed. Without this event,
| we would have been largely nomadic and it would be difficult to build
| a society. So it was a good thing in the beginning. I just think we
| have too much high calorie food available now along with a more
| sedentary lifestyle. I don't think we were built to be able to get
| our calories so easily from plants. Yes, the body would prefer to
| burn the more efficient carbohydrates, but the foods we were meant to
| eat to get the carbohydrates are not as calorie dense as what we
| grow, and grains are nearly impossible to get to the starchy part
| without intervention by cracking, or cooking. Starchy vegetables and
| fruits only grow in season as well. So, to answer your question, I
| believe we are meant to eat meat and complex carbs, but definitely
| not the refined sugars, grains and large calorie rich vegetables,
| and that a state of ketosis was actually what our ancestors were in
| most of the time. Why not limit caloric intake? Why not give
| the body water, lean protein sources, complex carbohydrates and
| unsaturated fats? That’s what it wants to function at its best so
| treat it right. Why instead of all this would one put their body
| into its back-up mode of ketosis full time?
|
| It is tougher in modern society to limit calories because of the
| availability of food. High calorie carbohydrate foods overwhelm our
| bodies. With all that extra energy, the body is forced to deal with
| it some how. The high concentration of carbohydrates causes a spike
| in insulin because it is too easily digestable. When, the
| carbohydrates are used up, the body can't react in time to shut off
| the insulin. Now we get lower blood sugar than normal and it causes
| us to eat more because we feel hungrier. This up and down cycle
| causes us to over eat more than we should and the excess is deposited
| as fat. Water is of course the best thing we should be drinking.
| Our meat should not be too lean about 2/3rds of the calories
| should be fat.
|
|
| New studies are showing that high cholesterol is caused by eating
| too high carb of a diet. High blood sugar is damaging to the artery
| walls and the body makes extra cholesterol to repair the dammage.
| It's not the cholesterol and fat we eat that makes us overweight and
| unhealthy. So your right about the protein and complex carbohydrates,
| but the protein should not be lean. Fat is nessacary for our survival
| to make hormones and supply the energy our bodies were built to use.
| Carbohydrates happen to be more efficient, but so is alcohol, which
| is used up before carbohydrates. So I don't think that ketosis is the
| back-up mode. Carbs are the back-up mode for us. All of the prior
| studies on high fat, were also high carb. Researchers fed the
| subjects cake, ice cream, donuts, french fries, potatoes with butter
| etc. Then when cholesterol levels went up, they blamed it on the high
| fat intake. Now we better understand that high fat and high carb is a
| lethal combination. Our bodies are designed to eat fat with protein.
| If the researchers were to have given the subjects fatty meats, they
| would have found that cholesterol actually went down.
| Why let food manufacturers put new buzz words (Low Carb) on their
| labels to sell products loaded with calories but low in carbs? So
| people think they’ll lose weight by eating?
|
| I agree totally on this issue. I have not bought any of their
| products. The idea of lo-carb is to eat natural complex
| carbohydrates, which are fruits and vegetables in reasonable amounts.
| The products that they make are what a lot of people here consider to
| be fake or as we call them, frankenfoods. They are preying on people
| that want to eat low carb, but don't want to give up what they were
| eating before. Most of these products are in fact still to high in
| carbs for the proper way of eating this way. They use tricks with
| "net carbs" or "impact carbs" on the label. Sugar alcohols are widely
| used, but not consideres as a real carb, so are deducted from the
| total causing confusion. There is a lot of money involved with
| refined products so the manufactures want to keep their stuff on the
| shelves and seem to be willing to do anything to do so. Any of the
| other lo-carb products try to replace the carbs with low grade
| protein matter and the resulting food usually doesn't taste very
| good. It has given real low carbohydrate diets a bad name. The
| marketing of this stuff is just crazy right now. It's everywhere you
| go, and people are darn sick of all the hype. I believe the food
| industry doesn't care if we eat good food, just as long as it tastes
| great so they can sell it. If you have read any of the popular diet
| books, they speak endlessly about the evilness of high carb foods,
| but realize that some people are not willing to give up their
| favorite foods. Most of the people that I know that have tried the
| diet fail because they are not happy with eating meat and vegetables
| every day. They still want their pizzas, bread and pastas. I like the
| way I eat now. If I was eating before, like you say we should, I'm
| sure I would not have gotten overweight. But not enough emphysis was
| placed on eating carbs that are healthy. The indication I got as I
| was growing up was that any carbohydrates were good for you for
| energy. Only sugar was said to be bad. I never ate that much sweets,
| but always had potatoes, rice or pastas, and breads for most of my
| meals. Sorry this was so long, but I felt that you were truly
| interested in why people think it is a good diet, even if you do not
| want to follow it. I can understand the confusion because if anyone
| who hasn't done any research goes by what they see in the grocery
| aisles or what is said on the media, it seems like a bizzare fad
| diet, when in fact it is about eating unrefined carbohydrates and
| meats in their natural forms, and that doesn't sound bad to me at
| all. Not all lo-carbers eat those weird foods, but some believe it
| is neccessary that their are food choices available so they can stick
| with it. I just don’t get it.
|
| Hope this helps to understand that it is actually a good way to
| eat, but has been warped by food manufactures and the media to make
| money on it so it looks like just another fad diet. I don't get it
| either. Tom
|
| Rob
| 185/155/160
|
|
| Tom wrote:
|
| How else would you explain the body being in Ketosis? Does the
| body do this when it's fed normally? The point of the Induction
| Phase is limit carbs to get the body into Ketosis, right? Type
| “ketosis” into a google
| search, you’ll find your starvation proof. Ketosis is a body’s
| reaction
| to starvation. Fueling itself with ketones because it’s in
| trouble.
|
| Are you confusing ketoacidosis with ketosis? I've seen
| articles that call
| the cannibalization of body tissue due to diabetes as ketosis.
| This is ketoacidosis and is dangerous when you are a diabetic.
| Your body is not getting enough energy from the food you are
| eating because it can
| not be
| processed. Ketosis is different. It is the process that the body
| uses to
| break down it's own body fat. This is totally natural and is how
| the body
| uses it's own fat stores for energy. If there is an absence of
| carbohydrates, then the body is forced to use the next most
| efficient fuel,
| which is fat, and is called being in ketosis. If there is enough
| protein
| ingested, the body will not have to derive it from it's stores of
| protein,
| which is of course muscle tissue. Breaking down muscle tissue for
| energy
| is
| inefficient and is only done as a last resort. The body will
| only break down
| it's own tissue if there is a lack of protein in the diet. You
| can put your
| body into a state of ketoacidosis by not eating enough food. It
| would then
| be forced to take energy from fat and muscle tissue. Fat would of
| course
| be
| used for energy and what ever other functions, like making
| hormones or bile.
| Muscle tissue would be broken down for body repair and some for
| energy. You
| can live on a diet devoid of carbohydrates. The Inuit people are
| proof of
| that. But you must have protein and fat to survive. Again,
| ketoacidosis is
| starvation mode either by lack of food, or that the body can't
| process the
| food because of diabetes. Ketosis is the breaking down of the
| bodies own
| fat
| stores to provide energy and is a totally natural process. How
| else would we
| burn the fat off if not by ketosis. Even the traditional low
| calorie diets
| will produce some ketosis, but it won't be able to be measured
| on the keto
| sticks unless you eat to few calories, because your still
| burning some fat.
| Eating lo-carb is still low calorie, but you are not hungry all
| the time
| which is handy when your trying to lose weight.
| Tom
| 210/178/180
|
|
|

Italian food has always been one of my least favorite cuisines. Oh, heresy!
However, an alfredo sauce with shrimp, scallops and artichoke hearts over
spaghetti squash is delicious. The squash is much tastier than pasta.

In ,
Rob stated
| Pasta?
| Not only have you cut carbs, you've cut a whole country's food from
| your menu? Diet is for the rest of your life, right? No Italian for
| the
| rest of your life? Get your hands on some whole wheat pasta and cook
| up some old country favorites.
| Brown rice?
| Add beans to the meal w/ brown rice and you've created a complete
| protein without fat.
| Fruit?
| That and yogurt are some of the most nutrient rich simple carbs
| available. Flour?
| If it was white, bleached flour, yeah give it up. Introduce wheat
| flour (complex carb) and make pancakes, waffles and breads that are
| full of nutrients, long term energy and a long term hunger buffer.
|
| Bob in CT wrote:
|

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Pasta?
Not only have you cut carbs, you've cut a whole country's food from your
menu? Diet is for the rest of your life, right? No Italian for the
rest of your life? Get your hands on some whole wheat pasta and cook up
some old country favorites.

There are plenty of italian dishes that don't include pasta.


Brown rice?
Add beans to the meal w/ brown rice and you've created a complete
protein without fat.

Fat is not evil.

Fruit?

Berries are low-carb and delicious. Long term, many fruits fit into a low
carb lifestyle.

That and yogurt are some of the most nutrient rich simple carbs available.

Plain yogurt is low carb, adding flavorings (sugar free) add variety and
make it even more delicious.

Flour?
If it was white, bleached flour, yeah give it up. Introduce wheat flour
(complex carb) and make pancakes, waffles and breads that are full of
nutrients, long term energy and a long term hunger buffer.

Long term energy? If I eat something like pancakes for breakfast, I'm hungry
for the whole day.

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Pasta?
Not only have you cut carbs, you've cut a whole country's food from your
menu? Diet is for the rest of your life, right? No Italian for the
rest of your life? Get your hands on some whole wheat pasta and cook up
some old country favorites.

There are plenty of italian dishes that don't include pasta.


Brown rice?
Add beans to the meal w/ brown rice and you've created a complete
protein without fat.

Fat is not evil.

Fruit?

Berries are low-carb and delicious. Long term, many fruits fit into a low
carb lifestyle.

That and yogurt are some of the most nutrient rich simple carbs available.

Plain yogurt is low carb, adding flavorings (sugar free) add variety and
make it even more delicious.

Flour?
If it was white, bleached flour, yeah give it up. Introduce wheat flour
(complex carb) and make pancakes, waffles and breads that are full of
nutrients, long term energy and a long term hunger buffer.

Long term energy? If I eat something like pancakes for breakfast, I'm hungry
for the whole day.

In article ,
Rob Chesebrough wrote:

Our meat should not be too lean about 2/3rds of the calories
should be fat.

Here¹s a serious problem. 66% of what you¹re eating is fat. You¹re
trying to lose fat, right? How do you lose it when you¹re adding it in
as 66% of your diet?

Why do you think eating fat would cause you to gain fat? Ever take a
look at what they feed cattle to fatten them up? Hint: it ain't fat.

--
---
Chris Smolinski
Black Cat Systems
http://www.blackcatsystems.com

In article ,
Rob Chesebrough wrote:

Our meat should not be too lean about 2/3rds of the calories
should be fat.

Here¹s a serious problem. 66% of what you¹re eating is fat. You¹re
trying to lose fat, right? How do you lose it when you¹re adding it in
as 66% of your diet?

Why do you think eating fat would cause you to gain fat? Ever take a
look at what they feed cattle to fatten them up? Hint: it ain't fat.

--
---
Chris Smolinski
Black Cat Systems
http://www.blackcatsystems.com

On 8/3/2004 12:38 PM, Chris Smolinski wrote:
In article ,
Rob Chesebrough wrote:


Our meat should not be too lean about 2/3rds of the calories
should be fat.

Here¹s a serious problem. 66% of what you¹re eating is fat. You¹re
trying to lose fat, right? How do you lose it when you¹re adding it in
as 66% of your diet?


Why do you think eating fat would cause you to gain fat? Ever take a
look at what they feed cattle to fatten them up? Hint: it ain't fat.


Right, it's just that fat contains more calories per gram than the other
macronturients. All that means is that you can, generally speaking, eat
less *volume* of pure fat than of pure protein or pure carbohydrates.

--
jmk in NC

On 8/3/2004 12:38 PM, Chris Smolinski wrote:
In article ,
Rob Chesebrough wrote:


Our meat should not be too lean about 2/3rds of the calories
should be fat.

Here¹s a serious problem. 66% of what you¹re eating is fat. You¹re
trying to lose fat, right? How do you lose it when you¹re adding it in
as 66% of your diet?


Why do you think eating fat would cause you to gain fat? Ever take a
look at what they feed cattle to fatten them up? Hint: it ain't fat.


Right, it's just that fat contains more calories per gram than the other
macronturients. All that means is that you can, generally speaking, eat
less *volume* of pure fat than of pure protein or pure carbohydrates.

--
jmk in NC