interesterification of fats

Del Cecchi wrote:
jcderkoeing wrote:
"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
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"FOB" wrote in message
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Implicated by the drug companies who want to see you cholesterol
lowering
drugs. Go read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes.

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| It seems pretty clear to me from the literature that elevated
| cholesterol and triglycerides are implicated in heart problems. This
| has been known for a long time now. I don't think it is a myth. Since
| there is no need to eat fatty meat in the first place, why not just
| substitute it for something that isn't implicated in heart
problems. I
| contend that people eat it because they like the meat....then try and
| justify that diet. In other words, they are only fooling
themselves by
| listening only to what they want to hear. You could make the same
| argument for smoking and not wearing a seat belt, but statistically
| those too make it more likely there will be a bad result. Perhaps
some
| people would not mind eating lots of fat, or even being fat
themselves
| because it is easier and more fun to do that and they might rather be
| happy and perhaps die a year or two earlier. That would be a good
| argument, but to deny there is a scientific relationship between a
| high-cholesterol, high-triglyceride diet and heart disease would be
| the myth. dkw


I did read it. It seems he totally discounts the volitional aspects
of food consumption. And dogs and cats will get fat if allowed
unlimited food.


Wrong. I've always free fed my dogs and I've never had one become
overweight through this feeding system. What else are you misinformed
about? Everything? You should seriously question your own knowledge
before trying to impart it to others.

I have seen many fat house cats. And also fat dogs. I guess I should
have said "at least some cats and dogs will get fat...."

I am not trying to start a religious war here.
Taub does in fact deny there is a link between a high fat diet (not high
cholesterol, high trigliceride diet). In fact he says that there is no
correlation between dietary fat and blood lipids, but rather between
carbs and lipids.

At least that is what I got out of the book.

del

del.


The information he gather makes a good case that processed carbs are the
primary cause of the diseases of civilization and obesity; Natural fats
and proteins are not. I would say that Taub is one of the best books
today that gather this information together in one place. He shows how
fats became the whipping boy due to the personalities of several people
in spite of the fact that evidence supporting the "bad" claims were
sorely lacking.

We have a cat and she's not fat. If we provide any food from the
"table", it contains only fat an protein, no carbs. I don't expect her
to ever get fat. Her food dish always has food in it and she eats as
much as she desires.

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Pramesh Rutaji

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"jcderkoeing" wrote in message
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"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
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"FOB" wrote in message
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Implicated by the drug companies who want to see you cholesterol
lowering
drugs. Go read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes.

wrote:
| It seems pretty clear to me from the literature that elevated
| cholesterol and triglycerides are implicated in heart problems. This
| has been known for a long time now. I don't think it is a myth. Since
| there is no need to eat fatty meat in the first place, why not just
| substitute it for something that isn't implicated in heart problems. I
| contend that people eat it because they like the meat....then try and
| justify that diet. In other words, they are only fooling themselves by
| listening only to what they want to hear. You could make the same
| argument for smoking and not wearing a seat belt, but statistically
| those too make it more likely there will be a bad result. Perhaps some
| people would not mind eating lots of fat, or even being fat themselves
| because it is easier and more fun to do that and they might rather be
| happy and perhaps die a year or two earlier. That would be a good
| argument, but to deny there is a scientific relationship between a
| high-cholesterol, high-triglyceride diet and heart disease would be
| the myth. dkw



I did read it. It seems he totally discounts the volitional aspects of
food consumption. And dogs and cats will get fat if allowed unlimited
food.


Wrong. I've always free fed my dogs and I've never had one become
overweight through this feeding system. What else are you misinformed
about? Everything? You should seriously question your own knowledge
before trying to impart it to others.

I've had one of my dogs become quite overweight on free feeding. Had to stop
that, and
begin rationing his meals.

"Hilly" wrote in message
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"jcderkoeing" wrote in message
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"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
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"FOB" wrote in message
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Implicated by the drug companies who want to see you cholesterol
lowering
drugs. Go read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes.

wrote:
| It seems pretty clear to me from the literature that elevated
| cholesterol and triglycerides are implicated in heart problems. This
| has been known for a long time now. I don't think it is a myth. Since
| there is no need to eat fatty meat in the first place, why not just
| substitute it for something that isn't implicated in heart problems.
I
| contend that people eat it because they like the meat....then try and
| justify that diet. In other words, they are only fooling themselves
by
| listening only to what they want to hear. You could make the same
| argument for smoking and not wearing a seat belt, but statistically
| those too make it more likely there will be a bad result. Perhaps
some
| people would not mind eating lots of fat, or even being fat
themselves
| because it is easier and more fun to do that and they might rather be
| happy and perhaps die a year or two earlier. That would be a good
| argument, but to deny there is a scientific relationship between a
| high-cholesterol, high-triglyceride diet and heart disease would be
| the myth. dkw



I did read it. It seems he totally discounts the volitional aspects of
food consumption. And dogs and cats will get fat if allowed unlimited
food.


Wrong. I've always free fed my dogs and I've never had one become
overweight through this feeding system. What else are you misinformed
about? Everything? You should seriously question your own knowledge
before trying to impart it to others.

I've had one of my dogs become quite overweight on free feeding. Had to
stop that, and
begin rationing his meals.


Do you have a point you're trying to make?

"jcderkoeing" wrote in message
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Wrong. I've always free fed my dogs and I've never had one become
overweight through this feeding system. What else are you misinformed
about? Everything? You should seriously question your own knowledge
before trying to impart it to others.

I've had one of my dogs become quite overweight on free feeding. Had to
stop that, and
begin rationing his meals.


Do you have a point you're trying to make?


That you're wrong about the free feeding. Dogs can and do become little pigs
if given the opportunity.

"Hilly" wrote in message
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"jcderkoeing" wrote in message
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Wrong. I've always free fed my dogs and I've never had one become
overweight through this feeding system. What else are you misinformed
about? Everything? You should seriously question your own knowledge
before trying to impart it to others.

I've had one of my dogs become quite overweight on free feeding. Had to
stop that, and
begin rationing his meals.


Do you have a point you're trying to make?


That you're wrong about the free feeding. Dogs can and do become little
pigs if given the opportunity.


No, I'm not wrong about free feeding of dogs because you've had "one" that
became overweight. He's probably genetically defective and should have been
culled long ago. Most dogs do very well with free feeding, and when it goes
wrong it's usually the case that the owner is irresponsible and forgot to
make sure that the feeding bin stayed full and the dog lost his trust that
the food would always be there leading to over-feeding due to that lack. Or,
when it doesn't work it's a case of the dog being genetically defective.
Which one is it with you?

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"Hilly" wrote in message
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Wrong. I've always free fed my dogs and I've never had one become
overweight through this feeding system. What else are you misinformed
about? Everything? You should seriously question your own knowledge
before trying to impart it to others.

I've had one of my dogs become quite overweight on free feeding. Had to
stop that, and
begin rationing his meals.


Do you have a point you're trying to make?


That you're wrong about the free feeding. Dogs can and do become little
pigs if given the opportunity.


No, I'm not wrong about free feeding of dogs because you've had "one" that
became overweight. He's probably genetically defective and should have
been culled long ago. Most dogs do very well with free feeding, and when
it goes wrong it's usually the case that the owner is irresponsible and
forgot to make sure that the feeding bin stayed full and the dog lost his
trust that the food would always be there leading to over-feeding due to
that lack. Or, when it doesn't work it's a case of the dog being
genetically defective. Which one is it with you?

Neither. He thought he had to compete with the other 2 dogs I own. And
actually, I've had 2 dogs that over ate.
You're still wrong.

"Hilly" wrote in message
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"jcderkoeing" wrote in message
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"Hilly" wrote in message
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"jcderkoeing" wrote in message
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Wrong. I've always free fed my dogs and I've never had one become
overweight through this feeding system. What else are you
misinformed about? Everything? You should seriously question your
own knowledge before trying to impart it to others.

I've had one of my dogs become quite overweight on free feeding. Had
to stop that, and
begin rationing his meals.


Do you have a point you're trying to make?


That you're wrong about the free feeding. Dogs can and do become little
pigs if given the opportunity.


No, I'm not wrong about free feeding of dogs because you've had "one"
that became overweight. He's probably genetically defective and should
have been culled long ago. Most dogs do very well with free feeding, and
when it goes wrong it's usually the case that the owner is irresponsible
and forgot to make sure that the feeding bin stayed full and the dog lost
his trust that the food would always be there leading to over-feeding due
to that lack. Or, when it doesn't work it's a case of the dog being
genetically defective. Which one is it with you?

Neither. He thought he had to compete with the other 2 dogs I own. And
actually, I've had 2 dogs that over ate.
You're still wrong.





I'm wrong because you couldn't figure out how to make free feeding work?

First it was one dog and now it was two dogs?

You're either an idiot or a troll... or both.

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"Hilly" wrote in message
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"Hilly" wrote in message
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Wrong. I've always free fed my dogs and I've never had one become
overweight through this feeding system. What else are you
misinformed about? Everything? You should seriously question your
own knowledge before trying to impart it to others.

I've had one of my dogs become quite overweight on free feeding. Had
to stop that, and
begin rationing his meals.


Do you have a point you're trying to make?


That you're wrong about the free feeding. Dogs can and do become little
pigs if given the opportunity.


No, I'm not wrong about free feeding of dogs because you've had "one"
that became overweight. He's probably genetically defective and should
have been culled long ago. Most dogs do very well with free feeding,
and when it goes wrong it's usually the case that the owner is
irresponsible and forgot to make sure that the feeding bin stayed full
and the dog lost his trust that the food would always be there leading
to over-feeding due to that lack. Or, when it doesn't work it's a case
of the dog being genetically defective. Which one is it with you?

Neither. He thought he had to compete with the other 2 dogs I own. And
actually, I've had 2 dogs that over ate.
You're still wrong.





I'm wrong because you couldn't figure out how to make free feeding work?

First it was one dog and now it was two dogs?

You're either an idiot or a troll... or both.

Pot, kettle....
You're still wrong.

On Apr 6, 1:58*pm, "jcderkoeing" wrote:
"Hilly" wrote in message

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"jcderkoeing" wrote in message
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Wrong. *I've always free fed my dogs and I've never had one become
overweight through this feeding system. *What else are you misinformed
about? *Everything? *You should seriously question your own knowledge
before trying to impart it to others.

I've had one of my dogs become quite overweight on free feeding. Had to
stop that, and
begin rationing his meals.

Do you have a point you're trying to make?

That you're wrong about the free feeding. Dogs can and do become little
pigs if given the opportunity.

No, I'm not wrong about free feeding of dogs because you've had "one" that
became overweight. *He's probably genetically defective and should have been
culled long ago. *Most dogs do very well with free feeding, and when it goes
wrong it's usually the case that the owner is irresponsible and forgot to
make sure that the feeding bin stayed full and the dog lost his trust that
the food would always be there leading to over-feeding due to that lack. Or,
when it doesn't work it's a case of the dog being genetically defective.
Which one is it with you?- Hide quoted text -

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Very funny. Ask a vet how many dogs are overweight. It's a huge
problem. Genetic? Well, perhaps since if wild dogs don't gorge
themselves, they might just not make it to the next meal. Survival of
the fittest they call it, and it is probably the basis of why people
overeat and love the fat and high-cal foods as well. That doesn't mean
they are good for you. Nature only strives to allow you to live long
enough to procreate. After that, if you drop dead from
atherosclerosis, -because you eat that high-fat, high-cal, low carb
food- nature could care less. Many dogs get into garbage and eat so
much, they need to have their stomachs pumped or they might die. Every
dog I've ever had would eat as much food as I would give them. Maybe
they wouldn't eat so much dry kibble if it were the cheap stuff, but I
bet you even your dog would overeat and get fat if you gave it meat
mixed in with the kibble and it didn't get lots of exercise...older
dogs especially, that slow down. Same with people by the way. I'm
curious what you weigh if you are eating a high fat, high meat diet.

I weigh exactly 138 pounds at exactly 5'8" which is light for my
height, and I eat no meat, very low fat, vegetarian and high carb. I
must have some genetic disorder too. Funny though, my doctor never
picked that up. He did pick up my low BP at 102/63, pulse rate of 52,
and low cholesterol and low weight and gave me an excellent bill of
health and told me to keep up the good work at my last physical
though. Just because we can eat "free choice" doesn't mean we should
eat like our primitive ancestors did in their survival modes. dkw

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On Apr 6, 1:58 pm, "jcderkoeing" wrote:
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"jcderkoeing" wrote in message
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Wrong. I've always free fed my dogs and I've never had one become
overweight through this feeding system. What else are you misinformed
about? Everything? You should seriously question your own knowledge
before trying to impart it to others.

I've had one of my dogs become quite overweight on free feeding. Had
to
stop that, and
begin rationing his meals.

Do you have a point you're trying to make?

That you're wrong about the free feeding. Dogs can and do become little
pigs if given the opportunity.

No, I'm not wrong about free feeding of dogs because you've had "one" that
became overweight. He's probably genetically defective and should have
been
culled long ago. Most dogs do very well with free feeding, and when it
goes
wrong it's usually the case that the owner is irresponsible and forgot to
make sure that the feeding bin stayed full and the dog lost his trust that
the food would always be there leading to over-feeding due to that lack.
Or,
when it doesn't work it's a case of the dog being genetically defective.
Which one is it with you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Very funny. Ask a vet how many dogs are overweight. It's a huge
problem. Genetic? Well, perhaps since if wild dogs don't gorge
themselves, they might just not make it to the next meal. Survival of
the fittest they call it, and it is probably the basis of why people
overeat and love the fat and high-cal foods as well. That doesn't mean
they are good for you. Nature only strives to allow you to live long
enough to procreate. After that, if you drop dead from
atherosclerosis, -because you eat that high-fat, high-cal, low carb
food- nature could care less. Many dogs get into garbage and eat so
much, they need to have their stomachs pumped or they might die. Every
dog I've ever had would eat as much food as I would give them. Maybe
they wouldn't eat so much dry kibble if it were the cheap stuff, but I
bet you even your dog would overeat and get fat if you gave it meat
mixed in with the kibble and it didn't get lots of exercise...older
dogs especially, that slow down. Same with people by the way. I'm
curious what you weigh if you are eating a high fat, high meat diet.

Every dog you've ever had was raised improperly, and that's why they would
overeat.
Maybe you should seek help from people that know how to raise dogs.


I weigh exactly 138 pounds at exactly 5'8" which is light for my
height, and I eat no meat, very low fat, vegetarian and high carb.


I bet you're very weak and still have a high bodyfat ratio.


I must have some genetic disorder too. Funny though, my doctor never
picked that up. He did pick up my low BP at 102/63, pulse rate of 52,
and low cholesterol and low weight and gave me an excellent bill of
health and told me to keep up the good work at my last physical
though. Just because we can eat "free choice" doesn't mean we should
eat like our primitive ancestors did in their survival modes. dkw


Your doctor is happy because he knows you'll pay lots of money for the
problems
you're going to have in the near future.