interesterification of fats

"jcderkoeing" wrote:
Hilly wrote:

That you're wrong about the free feeding. Dogs can and do become little
pigs if given the opportunity.

...*Most dogs do very well with free feeding, and when it goes
wrong it's usually the case that the owner is irresponsible and forgot to
make sure that the feeding bin stayed full and the dog lost his trust that
the food would always be there leading to over-feeding due to that lack.

The deal with how to get free feeding of dogs to work:

Raised fgrom a puppy keep plenty of food and water
available at all times. Do this and the dog will not stuff
him/herself. Have the food go empty for a period as
short as a few hours just once in the dog's entire life
and the dog will lose trust and will bolt food. I've
raised several dogs over the years and seen this to be
true. Having a dog free feed her whole life is very nice
though you have to be extremely careful about bugs
and vermin getting to the 24/7/366 food supply. And
the behavioral change is amazing in how sudden and
complete it is.

There are folks who feed their dogs once per day. This
guarantees the dog will bolt unlimited food when available.
Folks who do this often conclude that all dogs will
always do this. They are incorrect based in ignorance.

I have no idea which way is more beneficial to the dog's
health and longevity. I've done it both ways over the
years and the dogs were quite healthy until elderly. But
do not pick the one feeding per day method and then
think that it means free feeding of dogs can't work. It
works fine given that 24/7/366 no exceptions for even an
hour caveat.

What this has to do with human free feeding I'm not sure.
Humans are never fed "Human Chow" in an unvarying
diet their entire lives with closely limited treats as an
exception. But I bet if a human were feed "Human
Chow" like that they'd never get fat in the first place.
Thing is, what would be in that human chow. You'd have
to conduct longevity studies on humans the way they
did with dogs to figure it out. Not gonna happen and for
a lot more important reasons than nobody has the three
centuries it would take to gather the data.

On Apr 7, 7:50*am, Doug Freyburger wrote:
"jcderkoeing" wrote:
Hilly wrote:

That you're wrong about the free feeding. Dogs can and do become little
pigs if given the opportunity.

...*Most dogs do very well with free feeding, and when it goes
wrong it's usually the case that the owner is irresponsible and forgot to
make sure that the feeding bin stayed full and the dog lost his trust that
the food would always be there leading to over-feeding due to that lack.

The deal with how to get free feeding of dogs to work:

Raised fgrom a puppy keep plenty of food and water
available at all times. *Do this and the dog will not stuff
him/herself. *Have the food go empty for a period as
short as a few hours just once in the dog's entire life
and the dog will lose trust and will bolt food. *I've
raised several dogs over the years and seen this to be
true. *Having a dog free feed her whole life is very nice
though you have to be extremely careful about bugs
and vermin getting to the 24/7/366 food supply. *And
the behavioral change is amazing in how sudden and
complete it is.

There are folks who feed their dogs once per day. *This
guarantees the dog will bolt unlimited food when available.
Folks who do this often conclude that all dogs will
always do this. *They are incorrect based in ignorance.

I have no idea which way is more beneficial to the dog's
health and longevity. *I've done it both ways over the
years and the dogs were quite healthy until elderly. *But
do not pick the one feeding per day method and then
think that it means free feeding of dogs can't work. *It
works fine given that 24/7/366 no exceptions for even an
hour caveat.

What this has to do with human free feeding I'm not sure.
Humans are never fed "Human Chow" in an unvarying
diet their entire lives with closely limited treats as an
exception. *But I bet if a human were feed "Human
Chow" like that they'd never get fat in the first place.
Thing is, what would be in that human chow. *You'd have
to conduct longevity studies on humans the way they
did with dogs to figure it out. *Not gonna happen and for
a lot more important reasons than nobody has the three
centuries it would take to gather the data.

That's been my experience too. I once picked up a stray and she would
always bolt and overeat if I gave her a chance. Since that can kill
them, I never let her overeat again. The other time dogs will overeat
is if you have two dogs. They fear the other dog will their food, so
they eat more. The dominent dog often eats the other dog's food and
the other dog often just let it happen. One thing I learned with my
doberman... NEVER ever put your face down next to the dog's bowl. EVen
quiet, otherwise passive dogs might tear your face off. Food is the
main thing for a dog.

Now, I don't think this free choice feeding applies to humans, cause
people at buffets eat more, not less, although that could be a case of
wanting their money's worth. I know they waste a lot more food too.
Big eyes, small stomach. dkw

wrote:

This is the advice my doctor gave me. She said to get back to nature,
and eat, as if I lived on a farm. Pork? Fat? Fried pork? She did not
care, as long as the food was not processed. She did not care what
fruit, vegetables, beans, meat or bread I ate, as long as it was natural
and unadulterated.

Interesting article, thanks for posting it.

Becca

Doctors are often not expert in recommending diets. Doctors also
often follow your lead. If you suggest you WANT to eat those kinds of
foods, they will often tell you it is OK, since they often do not like
to challenge their patients. The consensus is that you probably
shouldn't be eating fatty meats. The meat industry is probably not so
unadulterated either, since there are growth hormones, pesticides,
insecticides, antibiotics and who knows what in meat. The higher you
get up on the food chain, the more contaminents. If I really wanted to
eat natural, I'd eat organic vegetarian foods. Still, you do see
people who eat all kinds of high fat meats and live to a ripe old age.
You also see lots of people who smoke all their lives and don't get
lung cancer or heart trouble as well. I would go with the statistics
though and stats don't support eating a lot of high fat, especially
animal fat. dkw

Right now, I am trying to lose 20 pounds to reach my goal. Lucky for me,
I am in pretty good shape, considering the shape I've got.g My
cholesterol is 160 and my triglycerides are 57. My blood pressure is in
the high 130's, so I am keeping an eye on that.

You won't believe this, but Dr. Caldwell asked me to read Dr. Atkin's
book (she held it up in her hand!). I told her that I had the book and I
had been on the diet once before. Then she asked me to read The
Schwarzbein Principle, by Diana Schwarzbein. It was a pretty good book.

Becca