100 carbs a day for two months

mark huntly said:

reports that Dr. Hays said that it was important to "avoid ketosis"
I don't get it, why no Ketosis?

Some people have an issue with ketosis. On the grounds that it's "bad" for
you.

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No ketosis because endocrinologists usually encounter ketosis when people
with diabetes have high blood sugars. In that case ketosis indicates a
medical emergency that can lead to death. The kind of ketosis that occurs
with normal blood sugar is entirely different and is not a health crisis.

However, at the time the study was done in 1999 a lot of doctors were still
confused by these two different phenomena.

-- Jenny

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"mark huntly" wrote in message
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I don't get it, why no Ketosis?

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"Jenny" wrote in

reports that Dr. Hays said that it was important to "avoid ketosis" and
cites a diet of 50% fat and 20% carbs.

Jenny wrote:

the Endocrine Society said that 100 grams was high enough to prevent ketosis
(because of the fear that was common at that time that ketosis was

Very active people can get away with 60 - 90 (so I've read) YMMV

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Jenny wrote:
http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/10786a.htm

This is the only version I can find still online of the original report. It
does not appear to have been published in a journal. But this version only
reports that Dr. Hays said that it was important to "avoid ketosis" and
cites a diet of 50% fat and 20% carbs. It does not include the original
number of 100 grams which I remember clearly reading (and being surprised
by.)

Then I'm going to stick to the information that cites 100g-104g of
carbohydrates as being anti-ketogenic for those who have not
previously adapted to ketosis (the brain's adaptation to ketone use
reduces daily amount of glucose needed). Additionally, as I
understand it most diet studies consider under 100g ketogenic.

Cahill G. Starvation in man. N Engl J Med (70) 282: 668-675

Phinney S. Exercise during and after very-low-calorie dieting. Am J
Clin Nurtr (92) 56: 190S-194S


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Rudy,

At 2000 calories (a typical women's intake according to the nutrition
labels) Dr. Hays diet would
be just 100 grams of carbs at 20% of intake. So that apparently was his
idea of non-ketogenic. A reducing diet of less calories would be even fewer
carbs.

However, I suspect that by now he's not worrying about this issue. Back in
1998 it was heresy for an MD to even suggest that a low carb high fat diet
wouldn't kill people, destroy their kidneys, and give them heart disease.
It looks like he wasn't even able to get the study he presented at the
Endocrine society published. But the more recent study (The Mayo one) was
published and is getting quite a lot of attention.

We low carbers should be glad this guy had the guts to do the research and
publish it!
-- Jenny

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New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm
Weight: 168.5/137
Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 -
HBa1c 5.2 10/03
Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

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How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats *
Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise
Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet
is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes


"RRzVRR" wrote in message
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Jenny wrote:
http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/10786a.htm

This is the only version I can find still online of the original report.
It
does not appear to have been published in a journal. But this version
only
reports that Dr. Hays said that it was important to "avoid ketosis" and
cites a diet of 50% fat and 20% carbs. It does not include the original
number of 100 grams which I remember clearly reading (and being
surprised
by.)

Then I'm going to stick to the information that cites 100g-104g of
carbohydrates as being anti-ketogenic for those who have not
previously adapted to ketosis (the brain's adaptation to ketone use
reduces daily amount of glucose needed). Additionally, as I
understand it most diet studies consider under 100g ketogenic.

Cahill G. Starvation in man. N Engl J Med (70) 282: 668-675

Phinney S. Exercise during and after very-low-calorie dieting. Am J
Clin Nurtr (92) 56: 190S-194S


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