Low Carb (Paleo) Half Marathon Report

Ig, decent race for your first HM. You make many assumptions, including
that your glycogen reserves were empty or relatively empty. In fact, eating
ample protein can fill your glycogen stores.

If you're happy with your lifestyle that is fine. For many, perhaps most,
low-carb does not work very well for an active lifestyle. It seems you're
trying to show something in general from an experiment-of-one. You sound a
bit like an old friend of mine who's a vegan -- and far too religious about
it.

I was impressed reading about Stu Mittleman's accomplishments, and the fact
that he did many of them while eating controlled carb. So if you want to
learn the extremes *one* person has taken a dietary change to, then read his
book. That being said, it's not for everybody. What you're doing has been
tried before by many, with many different results.

- Tony

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:21:30 GMT, "Tony"
wrote:

Ig, decent race for your first HM. You make many assumptions, including
that your glycogen reserves were empty or relatively empty. In fact, eating
ample protein can fill your glycogen stores.

If you're happy with your lifestyle that is fine. For many, perhaps most,
low-carb does not work very well for an active lifestyle. It seems you're
trying to show something in general from an experiment-of-one. You sound a
bit like an old friend of mine who's a vegan -- and far too religious about
it.
i turned vegetarian a few months ago. i eat tons of carbs. and i
feel good too. it all comes down to what makes you feel
good and is healthy in the long term. i really doubt
if eating fatty north american meat is healthy. so i
stopped. but i don't care what anybody else eats.

and ignoramus, good run. keep it up.
....thehick

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:21:30 GMT, "Tony"
wrote:

Ig, decent race for your first HM. You make many assumptions, including
that your glycogen reserves were empty or relatively empty. In fact, eating
ample protein can fill your glycogen stores.

If you're happy with your lifestyle that is fine. For many, perhaps most,
low-carb does not work very well for an active lifestyle. It seems you're
trying to show something in general from an experiment-of-one. You sound a
bit like an old friend of mine who's a vegan -- and far too religious about
it.
i turned vegetarian a few months ago. i eat tons of carbs. and i
feel good too. it all comes down to what makes you feel
good and is healthy in the long term. i really doubt
if eating fatty north american meat is healthy. so i
stopped. but i don't care what anybody else eats.

and ignoramus, good run. keep it up.
....thehick

On 2004-09-26, Ignoramus12690 wrote:

1. Saying that I cannot run an extended distance without carbs is
baloney. Even though I am not, by any means, a highly trained athlete.

Sure. No-one said it was impossible, many said it was dumb.

You can also weight-train on a low protein diet. You could do the workouts.
Sure it probably wouldn't be very effective, you'd probably lift less than
a 60 year old woman, much like you ran a time comparable to the midpack 60-65
runners at the local races I compete in.

I'm not knocking your accomplishment, but it doesn't make a very compelling
case for the effectiveness of low carb diets.

6. training runs on LC, if we accept that my glycogen stores are low,
are using fat as fuel from the beginning. Ie, I run for 30 minutes,
probably mostly using fat as fuel. (it is purely a speculation and I
want to read more articles about this). So, I am training my fat
oxidation energy system at every training run. A carb eater runs on
carbs first, and does not train the fat oxidation system. So, once he
runs out of carbs, he bonks since the fat oxidation system is not
trained. That's instead of continuing running, but more slowly.

Again, this is a pure wild assed speculation, but it makes some sense
to me.

It also happens to be erroneous.

I will read up on it.

Good idea.

The implication of this speculation is
that I could train for good performance on long runs, while running
shorter traiing runs, as long as I eat LC.

You can do that anyway, but you still need some long runs. There is more
to long runs than glycogen depletion. If that's all there was to it, no-one
would do long runs, they'd just run on an empty stomach. Doing a 5 miler on
an empty stomach (I often do this) is not a substitute for a 20 miler.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

"Ignoramus12690" wrote in message
...
Donovan, you seem to know about running training, although at times we
disagreed. How much time/miles per month do I need to run, in order to
run a sub-4 hour marathon, given my present condition. For simplicity,
assume a more typical runner's diet.

i

Here's a pretty good link on Marathon training ..... I used a similar
article from this site as a beginning runner to go from 0 to 10k:

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/...0-6946,00.html


--
John V.
LC - on and off, mostly on lately, as of 1/2/04
262/250/175

"Ignoramus12690" wrote in message
...
Donovan, you seem to know about running training, although at times we
disagreed. How much time/miles per month do I need to run, in order to
run a sub-4 hour marathon, given my present condition. For simplicity,
assume a more typical runner's diet.

i

Here's a pretty good link on Marathon training ..... I used a similar
article from this site as a beginning runner to go from 0 to 10k:

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/...0-6946,00.html


--
John V.
LC - on and off, mostly on lately, as of 1/2/04
262/250/175

Well, they certainly prove possibility.

In ,
Ignoramus12690 stated
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| Thanks, I just ordered his book, out of curiosity. I hope that it will
| be entertaining. No doubt, "experiments on one" are usually not proofs
| of general concepts applicable to others. And yet, they can point out
| to interesting results.
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| i

Well, they certainly prove possibility.

In ,
Ignoramus12690 stated
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| Thanks, I just ordered his book, out of curiosity. I hope that it will
| be entertaining. No doubt, "experiments on one" are usually not proofs
| of general concepts applicable to others. And yet, they can point out
| to interesting results.
|
| i

It isn't dumb when evaluated in terms of Ig's goals which are not your
goals.

In ,
Donovan Rebbechi stated
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| Sure. No-one said it was impossible, many said it was dumb.
|

It isn't dumb when evaluated in terms of Ig's goals which are not your
goals.

In ,
Donovan Rebbechi stated
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| Sure. No-one said it was impossible, many said it was dumb.
|