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Old August 23rd, 2004, 10:08 AM
Annabel Smyth
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Dally wrote in alt.support.diet on Sun, 22 Aug 2004:

OH No My Tails Popped Out.... wrote:

Hi All , I've got a couple of questions , i've been reading a diet
book called "You are what you eat" its a great book which even has a
t.v show over in the U.K it really has shown me the errors of my ways
and i'm enjoying a much healthy life style,one piece of advice
pretty much says stay away from carbonated/fizzy drinks , but it
seems to be talking more about Cola's etc , but where do things like
sparkling spring water come into this situation ??????


Sparkling water is okay. There was some issue about carbonation being
bad for your bones a few years back, but I don't credit it with much of
a threat.

Also is coconut the fruit in its original form, okay for diets?


I saw Annibel answered this quite differently than Chris and I do.


Only because coconut contains saturated fats, the bad kind. Had the OP
said "olives", I would have answered differently.
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Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

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Old August 23rd, 2004, 10:08 AM
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Dally wrote in alt.support.diet on Sun, 22 Aug 2004:

OH No My Tails Popped Out.... wrote:

Hi All , I've got a couple of questions , i've been reading a diet
book called "You are what you eat" its a great book which even has a
t.v show over in the U.K it really has shown me the errors of my ways
and i'm enjoying a much healthy life style,one piece of advice
pretty much says stay away from carbonated/fizzy drinks , but it
seems to be talking more about Cola's etc , but where do things like
sparkling spring water come into this situation ??????


Sparkling water is okay. There was some issue about carbonation being
bad for your bones a few years back, but I don't credit it with much of
a threat.

Also is coconut the fruit in its original form, okay for diets?


I saw Annibel answered this quite differently than Chris and I do.


Only because coconut contains saturated fats, the bad kind. Had the OP
said "olives", I would have answered differently.
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

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Old August 23rd, 2004, 10:14 AM
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Dally wrote in alt.support.diet on Sun, 22 Aug 2004:

I think she'll lose weight if she eats less calories than she burns. I
just think she'll be miserable and inevitably regain it all if she does
it by forcing her body to be tired, hungry and deprived of essential
nutrients. I don't mean to harp at her, either, but I'll correct her
when she sends newbies down the yo-yo dieting path.

*DO* feel free to point out how two weight-loss plans in eleven years is
"yo-yo" dieting? I was tired on the Friday because I had overdone it on
the Thursday, not because of anything I had or had not eaten, but
because my husband and I are preparing for a major competition in six
weeks' time, and really, really need to practice, ideally 6 days/week,
but that doesn't always happen. We had planned to skate for 45 minutes
in the morning, and an hour of social dance (which also enables us to
work on our compulsory dances) in the evening; there was no ice that
morning, for reasons I needn't go into here, and we therefore had to
skate for 45 minutes in the evening, plus social dance. We worked
ourselves so hard that I was exhausted after about 35 minutes of the
social dancing, and my thighs were sore. However, this would have
happened whatever I had eaten; it does happen from time to time!
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Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

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Old August 23rd, 2004, 10:14 AM
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Dally wrote in alt.support.diet on Sun, 22 Aug 2004:

I think she'll lose weight if she eats less calories than she burns. I
just think she'll be miserable and inevitably regain it all if she does
it by forcing her body to be tired, hungry and deprived of essential
nutrients. I don't mean to harp at her, either, but I'll correct her
when she sends newbies down the yo-yo dieting path.

*DO* feel free to point out how two weight-loss plans in eleven years is
"yo-yo" dieting? I was tired on the Friday because I had overdone it on
the Thursday, not because of anything I had or had not eaten, but
because my husband and I are preparing for a major competition in six
weeks' time, and really, really need to practice, ideally 6 days/week,
but that doesn't always happen. We had planned to skate for 45 minutes
in the morning, and an hour of social dance (which also enables us to
work on our compulsory dances) in the evening; there was no ice that
morning, for reasons I needn't go into here, and we therefore had to
skate for 45 minutes in the evening, plus social dance. We worked
ourselves so hard that I was exhausted after about 35 minutes of the
social dancing, and my thighs were sore. However, this would have
happened whatever I had eaten; it does happen from time to time!
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

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Old August 25th, 2004, 01:38 PM
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Dally wrote:
Ignoramus3159 wrote:

In article , Dally wrote:

Low-fat isn't a great plan. A better plan is to find a calorie
budget that works for your life and eat a balanced diet, where
"balanced" means [very] roughly equal macronutrient ratios. A decent
guess for a starting place might be 45% carbs, 30% protein and 25%
fat. You might be startled at how full you feel on small portions of
a diet like this.




Dally, you say that low fat is a bad plan, and then in the next
sentence suggest a diet with 25% of calories from fat, which is a low
fat diet.

It makes no sense.



I defined my terms. It's not my fault if you have "low-fat" defined
differently in your brain. 33% "/- 10% of each macronutrient is what I
call "balanced". It's not the "as little fat as humanly possible" that
typical idiot dieting includes. Ornish and MacDougal both aim for 10%
fat. Body for Life suggests 20% fat and the Zone Diet (which I've been
following more or less for two years) recommends 25% fat and is called
"a low carb" plan in mainstream literature. In practice any specific
day will range a bit around your goal percentages and I don't think it
matters all that much. At that point it comes down to recipe

preferences.

Many of us have found the same thing with different terms: our portions
sizes are controllable and our bodies work best when we get roughly
balanced macronutrients. 33 +/-10=23-43% per macronutrient. Annabel
appears to be doing roughly 80% carbs. I think it's worth mentioning to
the OP that she's on the track that leads to low energy, deprivation,
food cravings, hunger, poor skin, low metabolism, muscle loss and
eventually giving all this up and regaining all the weight. Wouldn't it
be nice to skip that step and learn how to feed your body right the
first time?

My recent realization on low fat is that it works better for younger
people than for older people, since, as people age, their glycemic
control turns for the worse and low fat diets are not working as well
for people with poor glycemic control. This is not universal, as
various people deteriorate at very different rates, but generally, I
would expect it to be true.



My recent realization is that nearly all the people who followed low-fat
regained their weight. As far as I can tell NEITHER of us are involved
in large clinical trials, so your realizations are worth exactly as much
as my realizations, i.e., zilch.

Since Annabel is so adamant about continuing her diet of choice, I
decided to stop harping on her, but my expectation is that it won't
work in 4 or so months. She has a lot of willpower, so she might as
well prove you or me wrong. Who knows, bodies work in mysterious ways
and not every fat person is insulin resistant. There are studies to
this effect and they mention cohorts of insulin sensitive obese
subjects.



I think she'll lose weight if she eats less calories than she burns. I
just think she'll be miserable and inevitably regain it all if she does
it by forcing her body to be tired, hungry and deprived of essential
nutrients. I don't mean to harp at her, either, but I'll correct her
when she sends newbies down the yo-yo dieting path.

Dally



Well answered, Dally.

Unfortunately some people that skim through this post won’t realize that
you’re basing your meals on percentages and ratios (45% carbs, 30%
protein and 25% fat) with only a quick but very important mention of
calories at the beginning. That leaves a lot of room for error for
those that overlooked that comment and don’t know their RMR. This plan
could cause energy and muscle loss at 1500 calories or weight gain at
3500 calories. It’s this 2000 calorie range that causes more diet
failure than the +/-10% nutrient differences, IMO. Portion control is
the only way to stay thin for the duration of our increasing life spans.
Tweaking the nutrient percentages helps keep the body healthier and
feeling better while eating smaller portions, IMO.


Rob

185/140/155/160
 




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