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Old August 22nd, 2004, 11:10 PM
Luna
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The thread title "Hunger is a good thing" is stupid. Hunger sucks. Ask
starving people in third world countries if hunger is a good thing. I've
been holding back on a lot of things I've wanted to post lately, because
I've been going through nicotine withdrawals and it's hard to tell
sometimes if my feelings are valid and appropriate, or just the withdrawals
making me crazy, and I didn't want to say anything I'd regret later.

But I have to say that lately I have been really depressed about just the
fact that obesity exists. It's such a ****ing stupid thing that we have so
much food we actually get fat, when for the vast, VAST majority of human
history the primary struggle was to get enough food to survive. And it's
still that way in many parts of the world. I swear, if God came down from
heaven today and solved all of humaniy's current problems, we'd invent a
whole batch of new ones the minute his back was turned, and probably be
worse off than when we started.

I had an epiphany today at the grocery store, while visually drowning in
the obscene variety and abundance of food available. Our culture is
screwed up. A lot. When there's so much food available it loses its
value. We forget how important it is. We view it as the enemy, the thing
that keeps us fat, when it isn't the fault of the food, it's the fault of
our perceptions and values.

Even though I am not a religious person, I am going to start a ritual of
giving a silent thanks before each meal. Since I don't believe in god,
I'll thank the animal I'm eating or the agricultural workers who grow my
produce, I'll thank the truck drivers, and the stock boys, etc. I'll just
remind myself in general to be grateful to live in an age and country of
abundance, remind myself that it wasn't always this way and it still isn't
this way everywhere in the world, and remind myself not to take even one
bite of food for granted. Having to struggle to lose weight is a luxury in
the eyes of those who are truly hungry.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.
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Old August 22nd, 2004, 11:57 PM
Crafting Mom
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Luna wrote:

The thread title "Hunger is a good thing" is stupid. Hunger sucks. Ask
starving people in third world countries if hunger is a good thing.


Starvation sucks, but hunger, the true signal that it is time to eat, is a
good thing. The ability to allow oneself a bit of time to feel that their
stomach is indeed truly empty, is indeed a *good* thing. The reason being,
because being NOT in a third world country, chances are high that the
hunger will soon be gone. It's still even then, not a true hunger, because
it's wayyyyy more temporary than those in 3rd world countries experience.

But I have to say that lately I have been really depressed about just the
fact that obesity exists. It's such a ****ing stupid thing that we have
so much food we actually get fat, when for the vast, VAST majority of
human history the primary struggle was to get enough food to survive. And
it's still that way in many parts of the world.


Exactly my point. We have so much food that the notion that we should have
a *short* period of time (waking hours) that we have an empty stomach
freaks us (the colloquial 'us') out. It's a mindset pounded into our brain
so much that we've become fat. (I'm in Canada, but the availability of
food is pretty much the same as the US).

I had an epiphany today at the grocery store, while visually drowning in
the obscene variety and abundance of food available. Our culture is
screwed up. A lot. When there's so much food available it loses its
value. We forget how important it is. We view it as the enemy, the thing
that keeps us fat, when it isn't the fault of the food, it's the fault of
our perceptions and values.


Right on the money, Luna.

Having to struggle to lose weight is a luxury
in the eyes of those who are truly hungry.


And for us to have an empty stomach for a few hours is not the agony that
our culture would love for us to believe.

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Old August 23rd, 2004, 09:11 PM
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:57:00 -0300, Crafting Mom wrote:

Starvation sucks, but hunger, the true signal that it is time to eat, is a
good thing.


Hunger is not the true sign that it is time to eat as very often we are
hungry with no need whatsoever to eat. Same with thirst. Your body can
willingly lie to you which is why hunger needs to be viewed from an
intellectual basis not an emotional one.

The ability to allow oneself a bit of time to feel that their
stomach is indeed truly empty, is indeed a *good* thing. The reason being,
because being NOT in a third world country, chances are high that the
hunger will soon be gone. It's still even then, not a true hunger, because
it's wayyyyy more temporary than those in 3rd world countries experience.
We have so much food that the notion that we should have
a *short* period of time (waking hours) that we have an empty stomach
freaks us (the colloquial 'us') out. It's a mindset pounded into our brain
so much that we've become fat. (I'm in Canada, but the availability of
food is pretty much the same as the US).


All you say about hunger above is accurate except that it is responsible
for being fat. Most overfat people I know eat when they are not hungry in
the least, mof, few know any hunger regularly at all.

And for us to have an empty stomach for a few hours is not the agony that
our culture would love for us to believe.


Nor is it the fear or the "assurance" of malnutrition, disease letting or a
host of other so called related conditions.

Feeling hungry may be uncomfortable but it is a lack of comfort that, in
time, becomes manageable. Like overeating becomes a manageable when
uncomfortable.

This temporary lack of comfort, imo, is the price, the sacrifice, one must
pay to lose weight and maintain weight. And why not? Anything gotten
without effort is going to be valueless and lessons learned under fire are
lessons ingrained.
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 10:05 PM
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MU wrote:
:: On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:57:00 -0300, Crafting Mom wrote:
::
::: Starvation sucks, but hunger, the true signal that it is time to
::: eat, is a good thing.
::
:: Hunger is not the true sign that it is time to eat as very often we
:: are hungry with no need whatsoever to eat.

Very true.

:: Same with thirst.

I'm not so sure about that one.

Your
:: body can willingly lie to you which is why hunger needs to be viewed
:: from an intellectual basis not an emotional one.

I agree.

::
::: The ability to allow oneself a bit of time to feel that their
::: stomach is indeed truly empty, is indeed a *good* thing. The
::: reason being, because being NOT in a third world country, chances
::: are high that the hunger will soon be gone. It's still even then,
::: not a true hunger, because it's wayyyyy more temporary than those
::: in 3rd world countries experience. We have so much food that the
::: notion that we should have
::: a *short* period of time (waking hours) that we have an empty
::: stomach freaks us (the colloquial 'us') out. It's a mindset
::: pounded into our brain so much that we've become fat. (I'm in
::: Canada, but the availability of food is pretty much the same as the
::: US).
::
:: All you say about hunger above is accurate except that it is
:: responsible for being fat.

I agree.

:: Most overfat people I know eat when they
:: are not hungry in the least, mof, few know any hunger regularly at
:: all.

That was certainly true for me.

::
::: And for us to have an empty stomach for a few hours is not the
::: agony that our culture would love for us to believe.

Does our culture tell us that being hungry for a few hours is bad?

::
:: Nor is it the fear or the "assurance" of malnutrition, disease
:: letting or a host of other so called related conditions.
::
:: Feeling hungry may be uncomfortable but it is a lack of comfort
:: that, in time, becomes manageable. Like overeating becomes a
:: manageable when uncomfortable.

Exactly.

::
:: This temporary lack of comfort, imo, is the price, the sacrifice,
:: one must pay to lose weight and maintain weight.

I'm not convinced of that (there are other ways to pay that price), but I do
agree that it is managable and a good thing to practice to control giving in
to that part of ourselves that wants to just eat for the sake of eating.

:: And why not?
:: Anything gotten without effort is going to be valueless and lessons
:: learned under fire are lessons ingrained.

Yes.


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Old August 23rd, 2004, 11:12 PM
Crafting Mom
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Roger Zoul wrote:

MU wrote:
:: On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:57:00 -0300, Crafting Mom wrote:
::
::: Starvation sucks, but hunger, the true signal that it is time to
::: eat, is a good thing.
::
:: Hunger is not the true sign that it is time to eat as very often we
:: are hungry with no need whatsoever to eat.

Very true.


I think people are missing what I said. REAL hunger is indeed a true sign
that it's about time to eat. PERCEIVED hunger is not. Allowing one's
stomach to be *technically empty* and noting the feeling thereof is the
technical hunger I am talking about. Learning the difference between that
and the so-called "hunger" that most people think of when the word is
mentioned is necessary. The hunger I mention is the one with the empty
stomach. It does indeed feel *distinctly* different from other types of
"hunger".

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Old August 24th, 2004, 01:04 AM
Roger Zoul
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Crafting Mom wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| MU wrote:
||||| On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:57:00 -0300, Crafting Mom wrote:
|||||
|||||| Starvation sucks, but hunger, the true signal that it is time to
|||||| eat, is a good thing.
|||||
||||| Hunger is not the true sign that it is time to eat as very often
||||| we are hungry with no need whatsoever to eat.
|||
||| Very true.
||
|| I think people are missing what I said. REAL hunger is indeed a
|| true sign that it's about time to eat. PERCEIVED hunger is not.
|| Allowing one's stomach to be *technically empty* and noting the
|| feeling thereof is the technical hunger I am talking about.
|| Learning the difference between that and the so-called "hunger" that
|| most people think of when the word is mentioned is necessary. The
|| hunger I mention is the one with the empty stomach. It does indeed
|| feel *distinctly* different from other types of "hunger".

Which part do you think is being missed?


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Old August 22nd, 2004, 11:56 PM
Roger Zoul
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Hmmm.....

You're practicing your writing. Better than watching the tube, huh?



Luna wrote:
|| The thread title "Hunger is a good thing" is stupid. Hunger sucks.
|| Ask starving people in third world countries if hunger is a good
|| thing. I've been holding back on a lot of things I've wanted to
|| post lately, because I've been going through nicotine withdrawals
|| and it's hard to tell sometimes if my feelings are valid and
|| appropriate, or just the withdrawals making me crazy, and I didn't
|| want to say anything I'd regret later.
||
|| But I have to say that lately I have been really depressed about
|| just the fact that obesity exists. It's such a ****ing stupid thing
|| that we have so much food we actually get fat, when for the vast,
|| VAST majority of human history the primary struggle was to get
|| enough food to survive. And it's still that way in many parts of
|| the world. I swear, if God came down from heaven today and solved
|| all of humaniy's current problems, we'd invent a whole batch of new
|| ones the minute his back was turned, and probably be worse off than
|| when we started.
||
|| I had an epiphany today at the grocery store, while visually
|| drowning in the obscene variety and abundance of food available.
|| Our culture is screwed up. A lot. When there's so much food
|| available it loses its value. We forget how important it is. We
|| view it as the enemy, the thing that keeps us fat, when it isn't the
|| fault of the food, it's the fault of our perceptions and values.
||
|| Even though I am not a religious person, I am going to start a
|| ritual of giving a silent thanks before each meal. Since I don't
|| believe in god, I'll thank the animal I'm eating or the agricultural
|| workers who grow my produce, I'll thank the truck drivers, and the
|| stock boys, etc. I'll just remind myself in general to be grateful
|| to live in an age and country of abundance, remind myself that it
|| wasn't always this way and it still isn't this way everywhere in the
|| world, and remind myself not to take even one bite of food for
|| granted. Having to struggle to lose weight is a luxury in the eyes
|| of those who are truly hungry.
||
|| --
|| Michelle Levin
|| http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
||
|| I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3
|| flaws.


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Old August 23rd, 2004, 01:26 AM
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Luna wrote:

I swear, if God came down from heaven today and solved all of humaniy's
current problems,

Even though I am not a religious person, I am going to start a ritual of
giving a silent thanks before each meal. Since I don't believe in god,


hmmm. what's wrong with this picture?

 




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