Friday 20 August

Absolutely *exhausted* yesterday, overdid it at the ice rink on Thursday
night.

Food:
12.45 2 small potatoes, 1/2 Romaine lettuce, "Nice bits" salad (tomato,
avocado, cucumber, pepper, low-fat tomato/basil dressing; as last night
- finishing it), 1 small tin baked beans

13.30 2 apricots, lemon ice lolly

14.30 1 tablespoon fresh fruit salad

17.30 small bunch seedless grapes (I had been asleep and was very
thirsty)

20.00 Butternut squash and mushroom risotto
Blackberry/raspberry parfait
5 olives (needed something savoury, and thought olives would be better
than cheese).

Exercise: none
Pedometer: 520 - how on earth did it get *that* high, I was asleep most
of the day!
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:34:13 +0100, Annabel Smyth
wrote:


Exercise: none
Pedometer: 520 - how on earth did it get *that* high, I was asleep most
of the day!

Perhaps you were sleepwalking?

janice

Annabel Smyth wrote:

Absolutely *exhausted* yesterday, overdid it at the ice rink on Thursday
night.

Food:
12.45 2 small potatoes, 1/2 Romaine lettuce, "Nice bits" salad (tomato,
avocado, cucumber, pepper, low-fat tomato/basil dressing; as last night
- finishing it), 1 small tin baked beans

13.30 2 apricots, lemon ice lolly

14.30 1 tablespoon fresh fruit salad

17.30 small bunch seedless grapes (I had been asleep and was very thirsty)

20.00 Butternut squash and mushroom risotto
Blackberry/raspberry parfait
5 olives (needed something savoury, and thought olives would be better
than cheese).

Exercise: none
Pedometer: 520 - how on earth did it get *that* high, I was asleep most
of the day!

It's so hard to read this and not critique it.

Dally

janice wrote in alt.support.diet on Sat, 21 Aug 2004:

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:34:13 +0100, Annabel Smyth
wrote:


Exercise: none
Pedometer: 520 - how on earth did it get *that* high, I was asleep most
of the day!

Perhaps you were sleepwalking?

I shouldn't be a bit surprised! Actually, what does surprise me is that
it takes over 130 steps just to go to bed.....
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

Dally wrote in alt.support.diet on Sat, 21 Aug 2004:

Annabel Smyth wrote:

Absolutely *exhausted* yesterday, overdid it at the ice rink on
Thursday night.
Food:
12.45 2 small potatoes, 1/2 Romaine lettuce, "Nice bits" salad
(tomato, avocado, cucumber, pepper, low-fat tomato/basil dressing; as
last night - finishing it), 1 small tin baked beans
13.30 2 apricots, lemon ice lolly
14.30 1 tablespoon fresh fruit salad
17.30 small bunch seedless grapes (I had been asleep and was very
thirsty)
20.00 Butternut squash and mushroom risotto
Blackberry/raspberry parfait
5 olives (needed something savoury, and thought olives would be
better than cheese).
Exercise: none
Pedometer: 520 - how on earth did it get *that* high, I was asleep
most of the day!

It's so hard to read this and not critique it.

Don't let me stop you.... actually, apart from not taking any exercise,
I was pleased with Friday. Ate exactly what I meant to, apart from the
grapes, and really, a small bunch of grapes isn't exactly going to
sabotage a diet!
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

Annabel Smyth wrote:

Dally wrote in alt.support.diet on Sat, 21 Aug 2004:

Annabel Smyth wrote:

Absolutely *exhausted* yesterday, overdid it at the ice rink on
Thursday night.
Food:
12.45 2 small potatoes, 1/2 Romaine lettuce, "Nice bits" salad
(tomato, avocado, cucumber, pepper, low-fat tomato/basil dressing;
as last night - finishing it), 1 small tin baked beans
13.30 2 apricots, lemon ice lolly
14.30 1 tablespoon fresh fruit salad
17.30 small bunch seedless grapes (I had been asleep and was very
thirsty)
20.00 Butternut squash and mushroom risotto
Blackberry/raspberry parfait
5 olives (needed something savoury, and thought olives would be
better than cheese).
Exercise: none
Pedometer: 520 - how on earth did it get *that* high, I was asleep
most of the day!


It's so hard to read this and not critique it.

Don't let me stop you.... actually, apart from not taking any exercise,
I was pleased with Friday. Ate exactly what I meant to, apart from the
grapes, and really, a small bunch of grapes isn't exactly going to
sabotage a diet!

It wasn't adequate fuel for a human body. Barely any seed oils, no fish
fats, no nut butters... your skin must be awful and you probably feel
tired all the time and your metabolism is probably slowing down to a
crawl as we speak...

And almost no protein. Any weight you're losing is coming from muscle,
quite possibly your heart muscle, as well as fat.

In short, your diet appears to be 80% carbs. Lovely for proper bowel
movements, but no-where near a balanced diet. There just isn't anyone
out there saying 80% carbs is the way to lose fat and maintain the loss.
Even the low-fat people say 20% fat, 15% protein, 65% carbs which is
the highest carb content of anyone I've ever seen (and those diets don't
work for most people.)

Yes, I know, now you mention how wonderfully your low-fat diet worked
for you. Lady, I've seen your picture. It didn't work.

And now you tell me how wrong I am because you know your [fat] body best
and you're going to continue with your screwed up methods and I say
that's just fine. It's just hard to watch.

Dally

Dally wrote in alt.support.diet on Sun, 22 Aug 2004:

Annabel Smyth wrote:

Dally wrote in alt.support.diet on Sat, 21 Aug 2004:

Annabel Smyth wrote:

Absolutely *exhausted* yesterday, overdid it at the ice rink on
Thursday night.
Food:
12.45 2 small potatoes, 1/2 Romaine lettuce, "Nice bits" salad
(tomato, avocado, cucumber, pepper, low-fat tomato/basil dressing;
as last night - finishing it), 1 small tin baked beans
13.30 2 apricots, lemon ice lolly
14.30 1 tablespoon fresh fruit salad
17.30 small bunch seedless grapes (I had been asleep and was very
thirsty)
20.00 Butternut squash and mushroom risotto
Blackberry/raspberry parfait
5 olives (needed something savoury, and thought olives would be
better than cheese).
Exercise: none
Pedometer: 520 - how on earth did it get *that* high, I was asleep
most of the day!


It's so hard to read this and not critique it.

Don't let me stop you.... actually, apart from not taking any
exercise, I was pleased with Friday. Ate exactly what I meant to,
apart from the grapes, and really, a small bunch of grapes isn't
exactly going to sabotage a diet!

It wasn't adequate fuel for a human body. Barely any seed oils, no
fish fats, no nut butters... your skin must be awful and you probably
feel tired all the time and your metabolism is probably slowing down to
crawl as we speak...

Excuse me, but my skin is fine - I take a fish-oil supplement every
morning. As a matter of fact, I can't digest oily fish these days
(except, thankfully, trout and salmon), so never take them. I don't eat
nut butters, they are not a normal part of our diet here, although one
can buy peanut butter.

And almost no protein.

********! There was *masses* of protein - baked beans at lunch, cheese
(in the risotto) *and* yogurt *and* fromage frais (in the parfait) at
supper - what more could you want?

Any weight you're losing is coming from muscle, quite possibly your
heart muscle, as well as fat.

I don't think so!

In short, your diet appears to be 80% carbs. Lovely for proper bowel
movements, but no-where near a balanced diet. There just isn't anyone
out there saying 80% carbs is the way to lose fat and maintain the
loss. Even the low-fat people say 20% fat, 15% protein, 65% carbs which
the highest carb content of anyone I've ever seen (and those diets
don't work for most people.)

Oh, fifty pounds weight loss is "not working" is it?

I reckoned that was rather a high-fat day - I had avocado *and* cheese.

Yes, I know, now you mention how wonderfully your low-fat diet worked
for you. Lady, I've seen your picture. It didn't work.

*Do* feel free to point out where I have posted a picture of myself ten
years ago on my web page? And unless and until you have seen such a
photograph, you can't comment.

I have already said that I lost 50 lbs TEN YEARS AGO, you understand?
That was back in 1993, so actually eleven years ago, now I come to think
of it - I started on 1 September 1993. In February 1994, I can't quite
remember the exact date but it was either 12/02/94 or 19/02/94, I
reached my then goal weight of 147 lbs, and that day I gave up smoking.
I had a long-standing (20 years) habit of 40 cigarettes a day. Now, I
don't know whether you have ever been unfortunate enough to be addicted
to nicotine - for your sake, I sincerely hope not - but if you have, you
will know that it is *extremely* difficult to give up. It is also
extremely difficult to avoid putting on weight, as one nibbles the whole
time. Then, of course, I went through the Change of Life, which also
puts the pounds on....

Of course, it's possible that you think that 50 lbs is not a significant
weight loss?
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

Annabel,
I thin that each person NEEDS to eat Thier own way as we are from
differant coulters and all. I don't post what I'm eating anyore! I ask
qustions at times but I get into trouble when I say what I eat! I don't
eat like the average people here but that doesn't matter!!! I eat almost
NO meat but many beans! I am just not a high calorie meat eater !!! Hang
in there!! You look beautiful to me To skate is so wonderful and when
I gave it up broke my heart I was young(37) and it was no longer a
part of my winter fun.

Stay strong and you will do fine!!!!

glo

Dally wrote in message ...

Yes, I know, now you mention how wonderfully your low-fat diet worked
for you. Lady, I've seen your picture. It didn't work.

What part of alt.SUPPORT.diet do you not understand? Why not post a
photo of yourself, and let us take a shot?

Annabel Smyth wrote:

I have already said that I lost 50 lbs TEN YEARS AGO, you understand?

I do understand. And you keep acting like it worked. Losing it and
keeping it off are two completely different things. We're teaching
people how to lose FAT and keep it off. You can lose WEIGHT temporarily
through any number of methods, including low-fatting it.

Wouldn't you like to know more about how to partition your weight loss
preferentially towards fat? Wouldn't you like to know more about how we
are finding ways of managing our food intake so we're not hungry or
deprived and can eat socially and just get used to doing this for the
rest of our lives?

That was back in 1993, so actually eleven years ago, now I come to think
of it - I started on 1 September 1993. In February 1994, I can't quite
remember the exact date but it was either 12/02/94 or 19/02/94, I
reached my then goal weight of 147 lbs, and that day I gave up smoking.
I had a long-standing (20 years) habit of 40 cigarettes a day. Now, I
don't know whether you have ever been unfortunate enough to be addicted
to nicotine - for your sake, I sincerely hope not - but if you have, you
will know that it is *extremely* difficult to give up. It is also
extremely difficult to avoid putting on weight, as one nibbles the whole
time. Then, of course, I went through the Change of Life, which also
puts the pounds on....

I totally agree that it makes sense that you regained the weight. What
doesn't make sense is that you are trying to repeat it when nothing has
changed: you're still a non-smoking menopausal woman. Your metabolism
is worse than it was all those years ago. There's just no reason to
think in ten years you won't be heavier than you are right now if you
low-fat away another 50 pounds.

Of course, it's possible that you think that 50 lbs is not a significant
weight loss?

Good luck, Annabel. It's been hard watching you trundle down your path.
One of the reasons I'm posting in this group at all is to spread the
word to people like you that there is a SANE way to do this and it means
changing the way I viewed food, relearning how to fuel my body, and
changing the way I viewed weight. I had hoped to share that message
with you. But you're closing your eyes and covering your ears and
humming Hail Britainia while I talk. Goodbye.

Dally